Doctrine doesn’t matter as much as love

[Lambano]

Doctrine matters a great deal- just as love does!

This is what the Doctrine says:

 

[Behold]

Billions of Christians belong to Cults.

Preterism
Catholiciam
Mormonism
JW
Mary Baker Eddy
CALVINISM
Gnosticism

The list of "doctrines of devils".. that created these denominations and cult theologies.... is 2000 yrs long.

Why does a person, and many are Christians... fall off the golden Path of Light and end up as a Preterist, or a Mormon, or a JW?

First and foremost, its because they never did what Hebrews 13:9 (KJV) told them to do with their "HEART"..

And to do that, you have to be this one...

1.) Its because real Faith, is Paul's Doctrine based.
2.) Salvation is Paul's DOCTRINE based.
3.) True Christian Discipleship, is Paul's DOCTRINE based..

So, when a person has none of this.. then they have not put on "the Helmet of Salvation" as Paul explained..... and so, they have nothing to protect their MIND from being DECEIVED.. and that is why they become deceived for life, and end up teaching false doctrine, and existing in Heresy.

 

[MatthewG]

Thank you for commenting Lambano and behold.

 

[quietthinker]

Doctrine doesn’t matter as much as love​

Love cannot be commanded; commanded in the sense of generated by ordering someone to do it/ have it.
Love is the consequence of being drawn to something (either a person or an object)

 

[MatthewG]

Thank you for commenting, and all others.

 

[MatthewG]

1 Corinthians 13: 4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

Galatians 5:19 When you follow the desires of your sinful nature, the results are very clear: sexual immorality, impurity, lustful pleasures, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hostility, quarreling, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissension, division, 21 envy, drunkenness, wild parties, and other sins like these. Let me tell you again, as I have before, that anyone living that sort of life will not inherit the Kingdom of God. 22 But the Holy Spirit produces this kind of fruit in our lives: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, and self-control. There is no law against these things! 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have nailed the passions and desires of their sinful nature to his cross and crucified them there. 25 Since we are living by the Spirit, let us follow the Spirit’s leading in every part of our lives. 26 Let us not become conceited, or provoke one another, or be jealous of one another.

John 6:29 Jesus told them, “This is the only work God wants from you: Believe in the one he has sent.”

John 15: 5 “I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. 7 If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. 8 This is to my Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples.

 

[MatthewG]

Faith and love are what we operate by as believers in the Lord Yeshua. God made this world, and sees it as beautiful. He has restored it spiritually under a new administration no longer under the Mosaic law, and now people have freedom to choose whatever they want to do in their life. Looking faithfully at the death, burial, and resurrection of the Lord Yeshua whom God had rose from the dead. What people do with their own life, don't forget that it is all about faith and love. No one at anytime is ever forced to love. Just yesterday I was frustrated and mad, we have to be truthful in these matters otherwise it's just another facade. Some people get mad at people and that is part of our fleshly nature. Openly communication, or shut down in front of them, I sometimes shut down in front of them. Either way, may we make the choice to respond in Christ, and or our flesh as that typically sets a whole persons world on fire. Love to all of you, and my hope is that you continue in faith, and love.

 

[Hobie]

You could think you have everything so down that you are able to correct others. I don’t try to correct others at-least that is not my intention is to “feel” the need to correct others. The topics that I’ve created over time, may have some wrong things, in there, they may have some right things, in there. “Test all things and hold on to what is good.”

I don’t agree with many members on the board about certain things. I’m my own individual person, and my father is dead, and my mother is still alive. My father was never around, and that had an effect but not a great effect on my personal life.

I was grown up in freedom, to do whatever I wanted to, and I believe Yahavah my real Father is the same way to all people, and allows all people to make choices. Some choose to believe in him and some people do not, some believe in his son, and some people don’t know his son, and they still choose to look to him.

Many people debate doctrine; I try my best to avoid those things at the point my writer career as a thread poster on Christianityboard, which is a forum site where there will be people whom try to demean you, correct you, and make sure you are in the right when it’s not their job.

It’s Yahavah/God’s job to correct you by his spirit, and not by everyone else who “feels” the need to correct you; otherwise your not “in the fold.”

Churches do that, people whom see themselves as “I’m your elder and you need to listen to me, or I have a concern about so-and-so, or let me encourage you to do this or do that, or become our member and you’ll be part of the fold as long as you do this and that and this.”

I know I can’t control people, but I should be able to in the spirit of Christ have some self control by the fruit he produces which comes by and through him only. Not everyone is the same, I expect people to have different beliefs, I expect people not to listen to me, I don’t seek out to correct people just because of differing beliefs, I typically just use the Bible to justify stances just like everyone else does.

But in the end that doesn’t matter, because even Paul states:



Didn’t matter if you have faith, and you had every single doctrine right…

If you didn’t love it meant nothing. And sometimes I look at people and what they say and determine whether or not they are being loving. What can I say, I’m a judge of what I see and what is being said, while people can “pretend to be nice, and caring, and concerned about someone being “in” or being “out.”

It doesn’t really honestly truthfully matter to me… if you can’t accept me for who I am, and only desire to correct me, and I get it, I can be corrected and moved in changing my mind.

But I don’t just simply believe every doctrine a person tries to swing my way, because most people don’t see things like me personally, coming from a view that sees Jesus already having returned and living in the new heavens and the new earth already…

I do hope you all, on this board the best, and I do love you and don’t mean to come off as a jerk as I tend to do, but some people who share what they do, don’t also expect to be corrected either.

Therefore by all means share away. I don’t accept the Bible as authority, I love the Bible and see it useful for people who can read it, but when it comes down to systematic theology, or sola scriptura stuff, I simply don’t believe in it.

What I do believe is doing what is right and allowing you to believe how you do, until something else comes up to change your mind, and having love and desiring the best for you with God in love as he moves you by the spirit…

Doctrines don’t matter when it comes down to having love for God and love for others.

So if you love God, do you follow His Commandments as He asks...?

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @Hobie,

I could simply ask you the same question. I'll answer you this way however, Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. 1 John 4:20 If someone says, “I love God,” but hates a fellow believer, that person is a liar; for if we don’t love people we can see, how can we love God, whom we cannot see?

 

[MatthewG]

Jesus is the center of focus, everything he said and taught. Not everything was to us directly. I've went through the Gospels enough to understand this, as well as the letters in the New Testament. I don't understand, why people are not able to love others, but that seems to just be a preference of our flesh than of the spirit itself. That is why I maintain people are freely to choose how they are gonna believe and live their own life. It is after all a life lived in front of God. And I am serious about the Lord Yeshua, and I believe what he taught us was to continue to believe on him, and his Father, and to love God which is only able to done by and through the Spirit of Christ in and through our hearts, and to love our neighbor as ourselves. No matter where they may be at in their life. I understand that is difficult but everyone must bear their own cross.

Matthew 16:24 Then Jesus told his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. 25 For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. 26 For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what shall a man give in return for his soul?

 

[Wrangler]

Doctrine doesn’t matter as much as love​

Love cannot be commanded; commanded in the sense of generated by ordering someone to do it/ have it.
Love is the consequence of being drawn to something (either a person or an object)

This is the emotion not the verb. English does not have words that directly correspond to the 8 Greek words. However, I believe love and the emotion associated with it, make it an inferior rendering. Compassion is the better, universal word, that we are commanded.

A young friend shared things his mother said that upset him. Considering the content of the words, I remarked that I doubt you'd be as upset if I said these words to you. My friend thought for a moment and said, "That's because I know you are on my side." The power of compassion. (His mother has an agenda to get more grandkids).

 

[MatthewG]

Sometimes the lie which can come from ourselves is that our "reputation" matters.

The truth is that suffering in the ways of Christ, means having no "reputation" at all.

Philippians 1:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

If our reputation matters, in the eyes of God it doesn't. Because Jesus made himself made himself of no reputation. If reputation in how people perceive you is something that you struggle with, surely Yeshua could have made himself a material King once upon a time before he had died, and was risen again by the Holy spirit of Yahavah. I come from a bad reputation, because of my line of work they seen me at my most horrible phases of life, especially when I was involved in the drug scene which I am now longer out of. Does it matter to me, if people see me as a bad person, or a good person. Truly it does not have any effect on me anymore.

You may ask yourself? Matthew, why does this matter to you whether you are seen as a good or bad person? Well, let me tell you why. It's possible that I may get a supervisor job, though it's not promising, and I have to treat the people under me in a certain way. I will have the need to be honest and straightforward with them. If they are not going to get a job done that I need them to, I will have no problem writing them up. In the face of this, people will either understand or they will hate me.

It's similar to how Jesus walked, he was sort of a Supervisor trying to correct the ways of his people in looking to him, only to have him killed in the end. If I live only to please people, that is not a life lived for God. In my opinion it just is not. Having 2000 people show up at my funeral is not a big deal. It seemed only a few people showed up to Yeshua's, right?

Therefore if you reputation matters so much, that you only care what other people think, and just live to please them, that is something to think about...

1. Galatians 1:10: "For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ."
2. Hebrews 11:6: "Now without faith it is impossible to please God, since the one who draws near to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him."
3. 1 Thessalonians 2:4: "For we speak as messengers approved by God to be entrusted with the Good News."
4. Proverbs 29:25: "Fearing people is a dangerous trap, but trusting the Lord means safety."
5. John 12:43: "For they loved human praise more than the praise of God."
6. Matthew 6:1: "Watch out!"

 

[MatthewG]

Sometimes the lie which can come from ourselves is that our "reputation" matters.

The truth is that suffering in the ways of Christ, means having no "reputation" at all.



If our reputation matters, in the eyes of God it doesn't. Because Jesus made himself made himself of no reputation. If reputation in how people perceive you is something that you struggle with, surely Yeshua could have made himself a material King once upon a time before he had died, and was risen again by the Holy spirit of Yahavah. I come from a bad reputation, because of my line of work they seen me at my most horrible phases of life, especially when I was involved in the drug scene which I am now longer out of. Does it matter to me, if people see me as a bad person, or a good person. Truly it does not have any effect on me anymore.

You may ask yourself? Matthew, why does this matter to you whether you are seen as a good or bad person? Well, let me tell you why. It's possible that I may get a supervisor job, though it's not promising, and I have to treat the people under me in a certain way. I will have the need to be honest and straightforward with them. If they are not going to get a job done that I need them to, I will have no problem writing them up. In the face of this, people will either understand or they will hate me.

It's similar to how Jesus walked, he was sort of a Supervisor trying to correct the ways of his people in looking to him, only to have him killed in the end. If I live only to please people, that is not a life lived for God. In my opinion it just is not. Having 2000 people show up at my funeral is not a big deal. It seemed only a few people showed up to Yeshua's, right?

Therefore if you reputation matters so much, that you only care what other people think, and just live to please them, that is something to think about...

In the face of this, that doesn't mean you can not love God, and love your neighbor as yourself... all in Christ because without him. We are simply unable to do so. And its by faithfully looking to God, that the Lord Yeshua, his death, burial, and resurrection. Allows us the ability because of his righteous to be seen as made right, and also to have mercy, to be forgiving, and to love God and love our neighbor as ourself... It simply is just a matter of priorities at least to me.

 

[MatthewG]

Sometimes it is hard to love others. Sometimes they flesh gets at us, and maybe we deserve praise or something. While there is nothing wrong with getting praise, the praise one should look for is to praise God. Praise God above all people, and place God first in your life as that is going to be the most important. The flesh doesn't give self-control, but the fruit of the spirit does give us self-control. The need to be impulsive, quick, and fast is something I also fail at. None of us are perfect and I don't expect people to be, that would be unrealistic, but it's good to take time and think, and maybe someone just wants to converse, and there is nothing wrong with conversing, or sharing scripture if you would like to. The thing is to try to do it appropriately. Because there are people out there, that will whip off a scripture and its just not needed sometimes... there is so much context and content in the bible it's impossible for people to read in a day, but my encouragement is to continue in scripture and continue to seek faith in God. Trust him, and lean not on our own understanding but trust in him. Yahavah is love, Yahavah is good. Yahavah will help us when we need wisdom and patience in this life.

It's funny, yesterday leaving work, this lady told me "never pray for patience." Why? Because when things get hectic, we need patience.

 

[MatthewG]

Forgiveness is part of following Christ.

It may be hard to forgive people who really done you dirty in your life. Even though who may have murdered a person whom you loved dearly. Or may have done something to your child...

Forgiveness is extremely imperative in the faith of following Yeshua, whom died on the cross for all the worlds sins, and Yahavah rose his Son up from the dead on the third day, by the holy spirit of Yahavah.

While I am not talking about just saying "I forgive you." As a means to an end. There is hurt involved and pain felt along with anger that goes into a person whom has been done wrongly, however, to forgive the person after all these things, is Christ-like, by abiding in Christ and allowing his spirit to move you. Exteremly hard to do for some people to let grudges go, and anger and the like.

My encouragement is to go Yahavah/God and let him know of these things, and ask for his help in helping you to forgive and to let go.

A person whom follows after Yeshua, will in time forgive, and let go.

Matthew 6:14 For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.

 

[MatthewG]

For those who don't understand what it means to love, in the manner which Yahavah intends us to by the Holy Spirit/Spirit of Christ.

Word Origin: Derived from the verb ἀγαπάω (agapaō), meaning "to love."

Corresponding Greek / Hebrew Entries: - H160 (אַהֲבָה, ahavah): Often translated as "love," used in the Old Testament to describe love between people and God's love for His people.

Usage: Agapé is a term used in the New Testament to describe a selfless, sacrificial, unconditional love. It is the highest form of love, often associated with the love of God for humanity and the love that believers are called to have for one another. Unlike other Greek words for love, such as "eros" (romantic love) or "philia" (brotherly love), agapé is not based on emotions or feelings but is an act of the will, characterized by a commitment to the well-being of others.

It absolutely has nothing to do with emotionalism.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

You could think you have everything so down that you are able to correct others. I don’t try to correct others at-least that is not my intention is to “feel” the need to correct others. The topics that I’ve created over time, may have some wrong things, in there, they may have some right things, in there. “Test all things and hold on to what is good.”

I don’t agree with many members on the board about certain things. I’m my own individual person, and my father is dead, and my mother is still alive. My father was never around, and that had an effect but not a great effect on my personal life.

I was grown up in freedom, to do whatever I wanted to, and I believe Yahavah my real Father is the same way to all people, and allows all people to make choices. Some choose to believe in him and some people do not, some believe in his son, and some people don’t know his son, and they still choose to look to him.

Many people debate doctrine; I try my best to avoid those things at the point my writer career as a thread poster on Christianityboard, which is a forum site where there will be people whom try to demean you, correct you, and make sure you are in the right when it’s not their job.

It’s Yahavah/God’s job to correct you by his spirit, and not by everyone else who “feels” the need to correct you; otherwise your not “in the fold.”

Churches do that, people whom see themselves as “I’m your elder and you need to listen to me, or I have a concern about so-and-so, or let me encourage you to do this or do that, or become our member and you’ll be part of the fold as long as you do this and that and this.”

I know I can’t control people, but I should be able to in the spirit of Christ have some self control by the fruit he produces which comes by and through him only. Not everyone is the same, I expect people to have different beliefs, I expect people not to listen to me, I don’t seek out to correct people just because of differing beliefs, I typically just use the Bible to justify stances just like everyone else does.

But in the end that doesn’t matter, because even Paul states:



Didn’t matter if you have faith, and you had every single doctrine right…

If you didn’t love it meant nothing. And sometimes I look at people and what they say and determine whether or not they are being loving. What can I say, I’m a judge of what I see and what is being said, while people can “pretend to be nice, and caring, and concerned about someone being “in” or being “out.”

It doesn’t really honestly truthfully matter to me… if you can’t accept me for who I am, and only desire to correct me, and I get it, I can be corrected and moved in changing my mind.

But I don’t just simply believe every doctrine a person tries to swing my way, because most people don’t see things like me personally, coming from a view that sees Jesus already having returned and living in the new heavens and the new earth already…

I do hope you all, on this board the best, and I do love you and don’t mean to come off as a jerk as I tend to do, but some people who share what they do, don’t also expect to be corrected either.

Therefore by all means share away. I don’t accept the Bible as authority, I love the Bible and see it useful for people who can read it, but when it comes down to systematic theology, or sola scriptura stuff, I simply don’t believe in it.

What I do believe is doing what is right and allowing you to believe how you do, until something else comes up to change your mind, and having love and desiring the best for you with God in love as he moves you by the spirit…

Doctrines don’t matter when it comes down to having love for God and love for others.

You still struggle with God's definition of DEATH and exactly what His plan is.
Your threads constantly are in defense of this Universalist view ( and you'll even deny that you are one) that in the end, God will save everyone.
You reject His ultimate judgment in life, that any person who rejects His free offer of life through Jesus suffers the penalty of death.
You seem to bypass, override or dismiss all scripture pertaining to Hell and/or redefine it.
Apparently death is not death to you - you've redefined it.
But the wages of sin is death, separation from God perminently and though I do not believe in eternal suffering ( eternal death - as if one can be destroyed over and over again without end, which would be an indestructible destruction - a contradiction); I do believe death as the end of a soul, thrown into the lake of fire and destroyed.
Destruction means to put an end to. But you'll redefine that too.

God is love, but He is also a God of justice.
He ordains good and evil for a purpose. Evil existed before man was created and sinned. This is supported by the simple fact that He placed the Tree of Knowledge of Good AND Evil in the Garden AND allowed Satan (who was evil) in there.
His plan, is that many will be saved; but you must realize also that many will be lost - for our sake.

Do you think destroying millions in the Flood was a act of love? It was not - that would be an odd way of expressing love.

Just as it is written: “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.” Rom. 9:13

That's right, God hates too.
Try to wrap your mind around that doctrine. Can you process that? No, you are conflicted with that notion, probably are having a meltdown ... in denial ... and just cannot except it. This is why you continuously create all these threads in rebellion of this very reality, DEATH, which is a final judgment ordained by God, the end of a soul's existence.
Death is what Jesus saves us from - those who believe in Him only. We have one life to come to that realization, then our state is fixed.

We see death all around us in the physical realm. This reality is given to us so that we can know understand what spiritual death is. There is no reason to think it has any other meaning - though some continue to redefine it.
Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it. MATT. 7:13-14

Narrow means that less than half of souls _ for all time _ are saved. Likely it is 1/3.
Several scriptures imply this amount. In 1900, there were 500 million Christians, about 2/3 of the population. Currently there are about 2.7 billion Christians, against out 1/3.

 

[MatthewG]

You still struggle with God's definition of DEATH and exactly what His plan is.
Your threads constantly are in defense of this Universalist view ( and you'll even deny that you are one) that in the end, God will save everyone.
You reject His ultimate judgment in life, that any person who rejects His free offer of life through Jesus suffers the penalty of death.
You seem to bypass, override or dismiss all scripture pertaining to Hell and/or redefine it.
Apparently death is not death to you - you've redefined it.
But the wages of sin is death, separation from God perminently and though I do not believe in eternal suffering ( eternal death - as if one can be destroyed over and over again without end, which would be an indestructible destruction - a contradiction); I do believe death as the end of a soul, thrown into the lake of fire and destroyed.
Destruction means to put an end to. But you'll redefine that too.

God is love, but He is also a God of justice.
He ordains good and evil for a purpose. Evil existed before man was created and sinned. This is supported by the simple fact that He placed the Tree of Knowledge of Good AND Evil in the Garden AND allowed Satan (who was evil) in there.
His plan, is that many will be saved; but you must realize also that many will be lost - for our sake.

Do you think destroying millions in the Flood was a act of love? It was not - that would be an odd way of expressing love.

Just as it is written: “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.” Rom. 9:13

That's right, God hates too.
Try to wrap your mind around that doctrine. Can you process that? No, you are conflicted with that notion, probably are having a meltdown ... in denial ... and just cannot except it. This is why you continuously create all these threads in rebellion of this very reality, DEATH, which is a final judgment ordained by God, the end of a soul's existence.
Death is what Jesus saves us from - those who believe in Him only. We have one life to come to that realization, then our state is fixed.

We see death all around us in the physical realm. This reality is given to us so that we can know understand what spiritual death is. There is no reason to think it has any other meaning - though some continue to redefine it.
Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it. MATT. 7:13-14

Narrow means that less than half of souls _ for all time _ are saved. Likely it is 1/3.
Several scriptures imply this amount. In 1900, there were 500 million Christians, about 2/3 of the population. Currently there are about 2.7 billion Christians, against out 1/3.

Hello Ronald,

Hope you are doing well man. I don't really have much of a response.

 

[Lambano]

It's funny, yesterday leaving work, this lady told me "never pray for patience."

"Lord, give me patience - and I want it RIGHT NOW!"

 

[MatthewG]

"Lord, give me patience - and I want it RIGHT NOW!"

Reminds me of this commercial. "It's mine my money and I want it now" - Call J.G. Wentworth.