Do we sow Peace?

[VictoryinJesus]

You have centered on one aspect of salvation. Love. Now everything in the Bible must speak to that,

Christ isn’t supposed to be the center? Yes, all scripture should line up with Christ. I’ve quoted several times here already (Matthew 5:44-48) where God tells us to be perfect as our Father in heaven is perfect. “But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;” which is exactly what the Son of God did and fully displayed openly. Luke 13:32 And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.

1) He loved His enemies.
2) He blessed those that cursed Him.
3) He did good to those hated and despitefully used and persecuted Him.


1 John 2:4-5
[4] He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. [5] But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

And He already showed us perfected in Him.

Supportive scripture:

Isaiah 27:6
[6] He shall cause them that come of Jacob to take root: Israel shall blossom and bud, and fill the face of the world with fruit.

Proverbs 4:18
[18] But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day.

Ephesians 4:12-15
[12] For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: [13] Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: [14] That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; [15] But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:


(Ephesians 1:10-14)
(1 Thessalonians 3:10-13)
(Romans 8:16-21)

 

[bbyrd009]

Do you see these works as being works of the spirit?

"works of the spirit" is a pretty subjective phrase imo, I note human agency in any "work of the spirit" that I have ever witnessed?

But--even though if I get you and you are asking me about my works? inviting me to testify about myself, etc--generally speaking I would say yes

 

[bbyrd009]

Works?




Sitting in the midst of the all-consuming Fire with hate and murder in my heart while my only focus and concern is (putting out) the lit cigarette in my hand.

I'll need a bit more @ "works" up there, sorry

2)I'm not sure we have the same def of "all consuming fire" here, so I'll marinate on this one and get back to you :)

 

[Waiting on him]

"works of the spirit" is a pretty subjective phrase imo, I note human agency in any "work of the spirit" that I have ever witnessed?

But--even though if I get you and you are asking me about my works? inviting me to testify about myself, etc--generally speaking I would say yes

Ok thanks.

 

[Stranger]

VictoryinJesus

I leave you to your no confidence and confusion.

Stranger

 

[bbyrd009]

Sitting in the midst of the all-consuming Fire with hate and murder in my heart...

i don't think this is possible, but I guess I get you anyway.
Most anything I could say seems trite to me right now, and I guess saying that the Decalogue has no mention of smoking won't help much huh.

 

[bbyrd009]

Ok. Never thought I was going to convince you to change your opinion. In all fairness I was probably more testing my own. You’re right, I don’t get it. Fifty different views and voices with each saying “God said” this or “God said” that...everyone convinced they have it right when we all say something completely different. If we are talking about putting on a dress or suit and acting better...it may not cost so much to follow the wrong voice. But what if it cost all? Hurt to our family. Maybe even our life to trust and follow the wrong voice? My husband and I was talking about this yesterday and how scary it is to do what you ‘think’ the word says to do when everyone else says “that is not what the word says.” Countless religions. You have something I don’t have ...you are convinced.

So was Hitler, and the paralllels are pretty obvious i guess. Everyone else is reading the Bible logically, and singing When We All Get to Heaven, right. Do what you think the Word says imo and nevermind them. Wadr you are even told, in the um Word, to not be doing that, although that takes years to put together on your own, and a pastor does not know the relevant passages at all I guess.

It's a fact that Dead Doctors Don't Lie, they live shorter lives than us, and I've never checked Dead Preachers but I will when I get home. But you can't much blame ppl for acting in their own interests either I guess.

Btw Confusion in Scripture is meant like...TIC, dialectically iow, now you just tell me which kid is more likely to get your favor, the confused kid or the hitler?
Do you need us to verify who God is lying to?
Bc you are going to win that one, ok, I could even take a poll if you like

 

[bbyrd009]

Pastors are Fatter, Sicker, & more Depressed

they reap what they sow too i reckon

 

[brakelite]

I guess saying that the Decalogue has no mention of smoking won't help much huh.

Self murder?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

i don't think this is possible, but I guess I get you anyway.
Most anything I could say seems trite to me right now, and I guess saying that the Decalogue has no mention of smoking won't help much huh.

Isaiah 33:14
[14] The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?

It’s a good question...

 

[VictoryinJesus]

So was Hitler, and the paralllels are pretty obvious i guess. Everyone else is reading the Bible logically, and singing When We All Get to Heaven, right. Do what you think the Word says imo and nevermind them. Wadr you are even told, in the um Word, to not be doing that, although that takes years to put together on your own, and a pastor does not know the relevant passages at all I guess.

It's a fact that Dead Doctors Don't Lie, they live shorter lives than us, and I've never checked Dead Preachers but I will when I get home. But you can't much blame ppl for acting in their own interests either I guess.

Btw Confusion in Scripture is meant like...TIC, dialectically iow, now you just tell me which kid is more likely to get your favor, the confused kid or the hitler?
Do you need us to verify who God is lying to?
Bc you are going to win that one, ok, I could even take a poll if you like

Don’t know much about Hitler except what I’ve heard. It seems apparent though that He was convinced the Jews were to go into a literal furnace to be burned. That is scary. Consider the hope in: Isaiah 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

So goeth the word out from God...The word (made flesh)shall not return to God void of Spirit...but shall accomplish that which God please, it (the word) shall prosper (yield fruit)in the thing whereto God sent it.

 

[bbyrd009]

Self murder?

Well, I might agree, but might not too, I mean I smoke rips and still climb mountains lol, not that I would recommend that. So I dunno about pre-Crohn's ppl (pretty much anyone reading this prolly) eating CAFO meat while saying "self-murder" for that?

 

[bbyrd009]

Isaiah 33:14
[14] The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?

It’s a good question...

Hmm. Ok, dunno who you have murder in your heart for, but my sometime boss is a guy named Indellicati, who prolly won't kill them but he will make them wish...um, I'll pm you, we drive through your area 4 times a year at least. Is this something you might want?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Hmm. Ok, dunno who you have murder in your heart for, but my sometime boss is a guy named Indellicati, who prolly won't kill them but he will make them wish...um, I'll pm you, we drive through your area 4 times a year at least. Is this something you might want?

I don’t have murder in my heart(I have in the past but not today)bbyrd009. It was just a point of focusing on the outside when the inside (heart) is not so clean.

 

[bbyrd009]

Don’t know much about Hitler except what I’ve heard. It seems apparent though that He was convinced the Jews were to go into a literal furnace to be burned. That is scary.

Hmm. Not at all, imo, or shouldn't be imo. Not sure how to get you from there (lost) to where I am though (slightly less lost), without coming off as bragging or whatever, trite again possibly. "Don't fear those who can do that, fear the One Who can do this," for the trite answer I guess. You're gonna die, and so am I, and however and whenever that happens, it will most likely be emotional and upsetting, and no less scary, right.

Really even more, scary, as Hitler is just a story about others to us? And I might note hardly even the scariest or most devastating story I could tell, either, I mean you know how many Russians died in WW2Do you know who was responsible for both genocides? Do you know that that is the team we send our sons to die for today even? Same guys, see. We got stopped Dead in our tracks outside Berlin or wherever, and Hitler's body was never recovered bc there was no body to recover...all maybe marginally debateable, but point is when you say "scary" I have to agree but then shake my head in wonder or whatever lol. Not scary enough I guess lol

 

[bbyrd009]

I don’t have murder in my heart bbyrd009. It was just a point of focusing on the outside when the inside (heart) is not so clean. Makes me consider though does murder and hate come from the flesh? Or the spirit of a man? Or both?

Or from emotional exaggeration? Bc I knew that was going to be your reply, see, so understand that now I have to question the murder and the smoking part lol, and we won't even get into what if I loved you or something, what might I take it upon myself to do to say your doctor, if I were inclined to jump to some conclusions, etc.

Which I'm still not disagreeing, so much as wanting to point out how subjective these declarations that read very objectively really are. I might easily have said the same thing, but it amounts to two exaggerations that both put you in the worst light, basically, and for sure at least one of them is not really true? You know Catholics in the PI at least still literally flagellate @ Easter or whatever, too, ok.

I mean Penance has a very strong appeal to a certain mind, ok, the same mind that is drawn to amulets and etc btw, and I know from experience that assuring you that you are a great soul, much better than me even, won't help, see. No matter how true it is, it isn't true for you, right. Short answer is imo you need to process your anger for your mom--pretty sure it's her anyway--but you aren't even angry at her right now, huh, and I'm way out of line now, but there it is.

 

[bbyrd009]

I don’t have murder in my heart(I have in the past but not today)bbyrd009. It was just a point of focusing on the outside when the inside (heart) is not so clean.

so, does "murder"/hate come from where, where does it come from, stuffing and forgetting is not processing and forgiving, that's where it comes from imo. And since I'm balls...since I've gone this far I'll just say that this is the reason for your other illness too, ok. Do yourself a favor and get pissed at your (mom) ok. Or whoever. And just declaring "I'm not mad at her, I forgive her" is not going to cut it I guess. There will be blood, or at least tears and anguish involved.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

so, does "murder"/hate come from where, where does it come from, stuffing and forgetting is not processing and forgiving, that's where it comes from imo. And since I'm balls...since I've gone this far I'll just say that this is the reason for your other illness too, ok. Do yourself a favor and get pissed at your (mom) ok. Or whoever. And just declaring "I'm not mad at her, I forgive her" is not going to cut it I guess. There will be blood, or at least tears and anguish involved.

What makes you think it’s my mom? Testimony’s? Yes, she hurt me and it hurts even worse that she refuses to acknowledge it and may never will. I know God has not allowed her to see it and I forgive her. I wish she knew He loves her too. I doubt that is why I’m sick. But maybe.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

so, does "murder"/hate come from where, where does it come from, stuffing and forgetting is not processing and forgiving, that's where it comes from imo. And since I'm balls...since I've gone this far I'll just say that this is the reason for your other illness too, ok. Do yourself a favor and get pissed at your (mom) ok. Or whoever. And just declaring "I'm not mad at her, I forgive her" is not going to cut it I guess. There will be blood, or at least tears and anguish involved.

See ...we may see it differently. I know my mother can’t see without God opening her eyes. And He hasn’t. She has never heard His voice. Unforgiveness is wanting someone to pay or get what they deserve. God sent vessels of destruction into my life for my good and for His purpose and will. we are a part of the new Jerusalem from above so I truly believe God will give us an inheritance of our enemies. I was prepared to show and declare the glory of mercy which is Christ who was sent to not destroy but to save the world.

Psalm 2:7-8
[7] I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. [8] Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

Ezekiel 22:14-16
[14] Can thine heart endure, or can thine hands be strong, in the days that I shall deal with thee? I the Lord have spoken it , and will do it . [15] And I will scatter thee among the heathen, and disperse thee in the countries, and will consume (by fire) thy filthiness out of thee. [16] And thou shalt take thine inheritance in thyself in the sight of the heathen, and thou shalt know that I am the Lord .

I shouldn’t have said I am sick because I’m not. Isaiah 33:23-24 Thy tacklings are loosed; they could not well strengthen their mast, they could not spread the sail: then is the prey of a great spoil divided; the lame take the prey. [24] And the inhabitant shall not say, I am sick: the people that dwell therein shall be forgiven their iniquity.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

James 3:13-18
[13] Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. [14] But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. [15] This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. [16] For where envying and strife is , there is confusion and every evil work. [17] But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. [18] And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.

Matthew 5:9
[9] Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

Luke 11:1-4 K
[1] And it came to pass, that, as he was praying in a certain place, when he ceased, one of his disciples said unto him, Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples. [2] And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth. [3] Give us day by day our daily bread. [4] And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.

Forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us.

Instead of: Romans 1:23
[23] And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man...