Difference between Catholic and Protestant.

[amigo de christo]

Really?

Let the LORD be praised . Point to Christ . In HE alone is our salvation .

 

[ReChoired]

Yes catholics have claimed they are NOT Christian, they’re catholic!

I used to claim that very thing, when I was Roman Catholic (big "C", of course), "born and raised" of course. :)

 

[ReChoired]

A Catholic will call their priest, bishop, archbishop, cardinal and 'pope':

"Vicarivs Christi" [Latin]​

As for instance:

“Vicar (Latin vicarius, from vice, “instead of”) ...” [Online Catholic Encyclopedia, Vicar] - CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Vicar

“Vicar of Christ (Latin Vicarius Christi). ... thus, Innocent III appeals for his power to remove bishops to the fact that he is Vicar of Christ (cap. "Inter corporalia", 2, "De trans. ep."). ... and states that it is the Roman Pontiff who is "the successor of Peter and the Vicar of Jesus Christ" (cap. "Licet", 4, ibid.). The title Vicar of God used for the pope by Nicholas III (c. "Fundamenta ejus", 17, "De elect.", in 6) is employed as an equivalent for Vicar of Christ” [Online Catholic Encyclopedia, Vicar of Christ] - CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Vicar of Christ

“But since We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty, ...” [“The Great Encyclical Letters of Pope Leo XIII”, Encyclical Letter June 20, 1894; Praeclara Gratulationis Publicae - Papal Encyclicals] - Praeclara Gratulationis Publicae - Papal Encyclicals

“...It will be enough, however, to refer to the evidence contained in the epistles of St. Ignatius, Bishop of Antioch, himself a disciple of the Apostles. In these epistles (about A.D. 107) he again and again asserts that the supremacy of the bishop is of Divine institution and belongs to the Apostolic constitution of the Church. He goes so far as to affirm that the bishop stands in the place of Christ Himself. ...” [Roman Catholic Online Encyclopedia; "C"; "Church"] - CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: The Church

“...Supreme Pontiff, Vicar of Jesus Christ on earth...” [Roman Catholic Online Library; Church Documents; "Ad Sinarum Gentem (1954)"; Point 11.] - CATHOLIC LIBRARY: Ad Sinarum Gentem (1954)

“...We, indeed, to all men are the Vicar of Christ, the Son of God...” [Roman Catholic Online Library; Church Documents; "In Plurimis (1888)"; Point 2.] - CATHOLIC LIBRARY: In Plurimis (1888)​

Yet, that phrase, "Vicarivs Christi" (in the place of Christ, or in the stead of Christ) in Latin, is simply a translation of the koine Greek:

"αντιχριστος" (Anti Christos) (2 John 1:7) [koine Greek]

“… In composition anti has different meanings: … Antichrist (Greek Antichristos). ... The word Antichrist occurs only in the Johannine Epistles; but there are so-called real parallelisms to these occurrences in the Apocalypse, in the Pauline Epistles, and less explicit ones in the Gospels and the Book of Daniel. ..." [Roman Catholic Online Encyclopedia; "A"; "Antichrist"] - CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Antichrist

“...anti ... (in the place of…” [Roman Catholic Online Encyclopedia; "S"; "Sacrifice"] - CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Sacrifice
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The English word “AntiChrist” comes from a combination of two koine Greek words, and is basically a transliteration (koine Greek words being spelled in English letters).

[1.] “αντι” (anti)

[2.] “χριστος” (christos)

Anti – Opposeth (against) & Exalteth (In the place of) Christ (Acts 20:28-30 KJB)

2 Thess. 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

[1] opposeth (meaning against)

[2] exalteth (meaning to the very place or position of)

In the so-called (LXX) septaginta - 2 Chronicles 26:1, “anti” meaning “in the place/room/office of”, “anti tou patros” (in the place of the [his Uzziah’s] father [Amaziah]) and in 1 Kings 5:1 (KJB) similarly (LXX differs). In Matthew 2:22, “anti” meaning “in the place/room/office of”, “anti [H]erwdou tou patros” (“in the place of Herod the [his Archelaus] father [Herod]"). Read Luke 1:20, 12:3, 19:44; Acts 12:23; 2 Thessalonians 2:10, “anth wn”; and Ephesians 5:31, “anti toutou”. It can therefore mean to be against, and/or in the place/room/office of. Both fit the definition of “anti”, and “denying” Jesus the Christ, but in differing ways. One is overt opposition, the other is covert opposition or usurpation (like False Smerdis; Ezra 4:7-24). In Revelation 2:13 the word “Antipas”, means “in the place of the father” or even “against the father”. Words like “Antioch”, and “Antipatris” are also found similar uses. Even in so called (LXX) Septuaginta, Leviticus 6:15 (6:22 English).
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It is even used in such a way in the OT (so called Greek) LXX in Leviticus 16:15 (22):

Leviticus 6:22 KJB – And the priest of his sons that is anointed in his stead shall offer it: it is a statute for ever unto the LORD; it shall be wholly burnt.

Leviticus 6:15 (22) so called LXX – “ὁ ἱερεὺς ὁ χριστὸς ἀντ᾿ (christos anti; anointed in his stead) αὐτοῦ ἐκ τῶν υἱῶν αὐτοῦ ποιήσει αὐτήν· νόμος αἰώνιος, ἅπα ἐπιτελεσθήσεται.”
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The Roman Catholic church claims to be in place of Christ on earth, as the anointed, and yet Jesus sent the Holy Ghost in His stead.

 

[Taken]

A Catholic will call their priest, bishop, archbishop, cardinal and 'pope':

"Vicarivs Christi" [Latin]​

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The Roman Catholic church claims to be in place of Christ on earth, as the anointed, and yet Jesus sent the Holy Ghost in His stead.

I used to claim that very thing, when I was Roman Catholic (big "C", of course), "born and raised" of course. :)

Thus...”when you was”...:)

 

[Taken]

Do you agree with this "hstory" (sic) and "truth" in regards Matthew 16:18?:

The TRUTH is Jesus’ Church is built UPON;
JESUS “IS” the Christ, the Son “OF” the Living God.
The TRUTH “IS” Christ Jesus, “IS” the ROCK of His Church.
The TRUTH “IS” Simon Barjona was TOLD the Truth, via, God.
The TRUTH “IS” Simon Barjona being TOLD the TRUTH, via, God,
...was a BLESSING from God, unto Simon Barjona.
The TRUTH “IS” ANY man, Being TOLD the TRUTH, via God, and ...BELIEVING and DECLARING THE “TRUTH” that ...
...Jesus “IS” the Christ, the Son ”OF” the Living God;
SHALL: BE INCLUDED IN Christ Jesus’ KINGDOM.
SHALL: RECEIVE A “ NEW NAME.”
AND SHALL: (IF you KEEP STUDYING and discover)...
SHALL:
** LAY DOWN their Bodily Life, for their BELIEF IN Lord God.
** Be FORGIVEN ALL SINS of unrighteousness of Disbelief,
** Have their soul restored; SAVED unto the Lord God,
** Receive Heart circumcision; a NEW HEART,
** Receive the BAPTISM OF the Holy Spirit, (Born Again spirit),
(By the Quickening Spirit, WHO IS CHRIST, THE SEED OF GOD,
** Receive The TRUTH; JESUS, IN their new spirit, in new Heart
** BE Declared IN HEAVEN; Old Dead; A NEW CREATURE,
** BE SANCTIFIED; set Apart unto, Christ Jesus,
** BE a MEMBER, of CHRIST JESUS’ CHURCH,
** BE Bodily WASHED; in Jesus’ BLOOD,
** BE Bodily KEPT, By Christ Jesus.
** BE called, “IN CHRIST”.
** Be called, “CHRIST (power) Jesus (truth), IN THEM”.
** BE PREPARED, For the unknown Hour Christ shall call them.
** BE JUSTIFIED; To be Redeemed, (Risen up) BY Christ Jesus,
(Called, Risen, In Glorified Body, TO MEET their Lord in the air)
** BE COVERED, BY the INDWELLING LIGHT of God’s Power,
** BE FREED, of all SIN Against the Lord God, (born of God).
** BECOME MADE PREPARED; TO: SPEAK and SPREAD Gods ....TRUTH, to willing ears of men.
**TO: FORGIVE men their TRESPASSES AGAINST YOU...AND
SO ALSO SHALL GOD ACKNOWLEDGE BIND in Heaven and FORGIVE WHAT TRESPASSES, YOU FORGIVE.
**TO: Receive A NEW NAME.
**TO: Receive A WHITE ROBE. (Wedding Attire.)
**TO BE Gathered TOGETHER “WITH ALL OTHERS WHOM THEIR True Heartful Declared BELIEVE IS:
“Jesus IS the Christ, the Son of the Living God”.
“Jesus IS THEIR TRUTH, Christ IS Gods POWER, CHRIST JESUS “IS” their ROCK, upon WHICH they STAND, WITH and IN.
**TO: DINE on a FEAST, in Celebration, OF: Christ’s Kingdom on Earth’s MANIFESTATION.
**TO: Enter WITH Christ Jesus INTO His Earthly Kingdom.
**TO: FOREVER, BE WITH; The Lord God Almighty.
**TO: FOREVER, Occupy Gods NEW EARTH, the SAME it shall BE;
AS Gods NEW HEAVEN. Holy God, Holy occupants, Holy estates.

IF Christ the Lord Jesus, IS
NOT YOUR ROCK:
The Christ HEAD, The Christ FOUNDATION, of “your church”...
You HAVE NOT OVERCOME the World;
You ARE NOT a MEMBER, in and of Christ’s Church.


Matt 16:
[13] When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
[14] And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
[15] He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
[16] And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
[17] And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
[18] And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock (JESUS IS THE CHRIST, THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD) I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
[19] And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
[20] Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.
[21] From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
[22] Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
[23] But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE.
HEAR IT, BELIEVE IT, TRUST IT, DECLARE IT, KEEP IT FOREVER BY THE POWER OF GOD IN YOU!

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[theefaith]

Another cunning trick of “some” Catholics....posting a Scriptural REFERENCE, that has NOTHING TO DO WITH A POINT!

Rev 5:
[7] And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.

Mentions Intercession or PRAYING TO saints or PRAYING TO God through saints? Nope, zip, nada!

sorry my bad rev 5:8

 

[amigo de christo]

Thus...”when you was”...:)

In the beginning we see where it says And GOD said let us make man in our image .
yet today many are creating a god in their own image .
In the bible we see where it says David was a man after GODS own heart
and yet today many are creating a god after their own heart and desires .
Let us stick to the scripture and love and embrace the pure and lovely truth which does work good for the soul of a lamb .
Let us crack open those bibles and be feasting and drinking daily from those pure and holy reminders .
And let all that draws breath both praise and thank the glorious Lord .
When a man comes and says Let us take GOD out of the box , beware such a soul .
For what they mean from the heart is , LET us take GOD , CHRIST , out of the biblical truth
and make us a god and a christ that shall serve the lusts of the flesh .
But the lambs do not heed them , for greater is HE that is in the lambs than he that is of the world .
And a strangers voice they will not follow . THEY FOLLOW THE GREAT and GLORIOUS SHEPARD of the sheep
the Glorious King of kings and Lord of Lords , the author and finisher of their faith . Now lift those hands and praise the LORD .
And never follow the RCC nor any other that teaches contrary to the original doctrine given us .

 

[theefaith]

Firstly, I'm sure God hears everybody's prayers without the need for a call centre to pass them onto him, and secondly Mary was mother of Jesus, not of God..

so Jesus is not God???

 

[theefaith]

I prefer to stick with Jesus like he said-
"You have one teacher, me" (Matthew 23:10)
"And the common people heard him gladly" (Mark 12:37)..:)

matt 28:18
Apostles are commanded to teach and sanctify all men

 

[theefaith]

There ain't no such word as 'purgatory' in the Bible, it's just something cooked up by the catholic church, unless you can produce scriptures to support it..:)

there other beliefs where the word ain’t in scripture
Trinity
Rapture
Immersion

Biblical Purgatory:

Psalm 66:12 (RSV) Thou didst let men ride over our heads; we went through fire and through water; yet thou hast brought us forth to a spacious place.

This verse was considered a proof of purgatory by Origen and St. Ambrose, who posits the water of baptism and the fire of purgatory.

Isaiah 4:4 When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion and cleansed the bloodstains of Jerusalem from its midst by a spirit of judgment and by a spirit of burning. (cf. 1:25-26; 6:5-7; Ecc 12:14)

St. Augustine, in the 20th Book of his City of God, chapter 25, interprets this as purgatory. The preceding verse refers to the saved (“called holy” and “recorded for life”) and verses 5 and 6 describe the repose of the blessed.

Micah 7:9 I will bear the indignation of the Lord because I have sinned against him, until he pleads my cause and executes judgment for me. He will bring me forth to the light; I shall behold his deliverance. (cf. Lev 26:41, 43; Job 40:4-5; Lam 3:39)

St. Jerome considered this verse a clear proof of purgatory.

Malachi 3:3 he will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver, and he will purify the sons of Levi and refine them like gold and silver, till they present right offerings to the LORD.

Origen, St. Irenaeus, St. Ambrose, St. Augustine, and St. Jerome all thought this was a description of purgatory.

2 Maccabees 12:44-45 For if he were not expecting that those who had fallen would rise again, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead. [45] But if he was looking to the splendid reward that is laid up for those who fall asleep in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought. Therefore he made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin. (cf. 1 Cor 15:29)

The Jews offered atonement and prayer for their deceased brethren, who had clearly violated Mosaic Law. Such a practice presupposes purgatory, since those in heaven wouldn’t need any help, and those in hell are beyond it.

Matthew 5:22 But I say to you that every one who is angry with his brother shall be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother shall be liable to the council, and whoever says, “You fool!” shall be liable to the hell of fire.

St. Francis de Sales commented:

It is only the third sort of offence which is punished with hell; therefore in the judgment of God after this life there are other pains which are not eternal or infernal, — these are the pains of Purgatory.

Matthew 5:26 truly, I say to you, you will never get out till you have paid the last penny.

The “prison” alluded to in verse 25 is purgatory, according to Tertullian, St. Cyprian, Origen, St. Ambrose, and St. Jerome, while the “penny” represents the most minor sins that one commits.

Matthew 12:32 And whoever says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

If this sin cannot be forgiven after death, it follows that there are others which can be, and this must be in purgatory: precisely the interpretation of St. Augustine, Pope St. Gregory the Great, the Venerable Bede, and St. Bernard, among others.

1 Corinthians 3:11-15 For no other foundation can any one lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. [12] Now if any one builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw – [13] each man's work will become manifest; for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. [14] If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. [15] If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.


This is a clear and obvious allusion to purgatory. Thus thought St. Cyprian, St. Ambrose, St. Jerome, Pope St. Gregory the Great, Origen, and St. Augustine, who wrote with his usual insight:

ecause it is said, he shall be saved, that fire is thought lightly of. For all that, though we should be saved by fire, yet will that fire be more grievous than anything that man can suffer in this life whatsoever. (Expositions on the Psalms, 38, 2)

Hebrews 12:14 Strive for peace with all men, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord. (cf. 12:1, 5-11, 15, 23, Eph 5:5; 1 Thess 4:3; 1 Jn 3:2-3)

Blessed John Henry Cardinal Newman observed (as an Anglican):

Even supposing a man of unholy life were suffered to enter heaven, he would not be happy there; so that it would be no mercy to permit him to enter . . . There is a moral malady which disorders the inward sight and taste; and no man labouring under it is in a condition to enjoy what Scripture calls the fulness of joy in God’s presence, . . . (Sermon on this verse: “Holiness Necessary for Future Blessedness,” 1834)

Revelation 21:27 But nothing unclean shall enter it, nor any one who practises abomination or falsehood, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

The abundance of scriptural evidence for purgatory led to a consensus among the Church fathers: summarized by Protestant church historian Philip Schaff:

These views of the middle state in connection with prayers for the dead show a strong tendency to the Roman Catholic doctrine of Purgatory. (History of the Christian Church, vol. 2, “Ante-Nicene Christianity: A. D. 100-325,” 5th edition, New York: 1889; ch. 12, sec. 156, 604-606)

The children of Israel in bondage down in Egypt are a type of purgatory as the promised land is a type of heaven:




Indulgences are graces merited by the passion and blood of Christ.

They have nothing to do with sin or salvation, (mercy) upon true repentance but the punishment due to sin. (Justice)

Example
A father may forgive (mercy) his son for hitting a ball thru the window, but the son will have work and pay for the window. (Justice)

Indulgences we’re never sold, that was only an accusation, there attached to a donation, the English Protestant statement “salvation by the shilling” was complete non-sense!

 

[theefaith]

"Intent" is not the issue. Jeraboam "intended" to worship God in the North instead of at Jerusalem, saying "It's too much" trouble for you people to make the pilgrimage to Jerusalem, and therefore he set up a false priesthood, false choir, false order of service, false altar...and a false day of worship. Did you hear what I just said? A false day of worship.

And, what happened to that false system? As soon as the "man of God" pronounced the curse against this false altar - this iron symbol of adamant rebellion - it split in two and the ashes were poured out.

No, not "intent" - it's about obedience to God's commandments, the violation of which the Catholic church makes her boast.

what do you think the true church is?

 

[Taken]

sorry my bad rev 5:8

Your post was about, praying TO saints.

Rev 5:8 is not about praying TO saints.
Rev 5:8 IS about THE 4 beasts and 24 Elders having care of the golden vial FULL of Odours, Which ARE the prayers of saints, that THEY present to the Lamb of God.

Nothing about earthly saints, praying TO heavenly saints.

Rev 5:
[8] And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

 

[Taken]

so Jesus is not God???

In Context, according to Gods “ORDER” and “WAY”.

Mary Trump delivered forth a son. She did not deliver forth a President.

Mary delivered forth a son. She did not deliver forth God.

 

[Dropship]

so Jesus is not God???

Of course he's not..:)
Simon Peter said "You are the son of God", and Jesus replied "You got it". (Matthew 16:13-17)

 

[theefaith]

Your post was about, praying TO saints.

Rev 5:8 is not about praying TO saints.
Rev 5:8 IS about THE 4 beasts and 24 Elders having care of the golden vial FULL of Odours, Which ARE the prayers of saints, that THEY present to the Lamb of God.

Nothing about earthly saints, praying TO heavenly saints.

Rev 5:
[8] And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

the communion of saints includes all saints

 

[theefaith]

In Context, according to Gods “ORDER” and “WAY”.

Mary Trump delivered forth a son. She did not deliver forth a President.

Mary delivered forth a son. She did not deliver forth God.

she is still the mother of the president

and blessed Mary ever virgin is mother of God

With the authority of Christ the successors of the apostles demand it as per acts 2:42


Mother of God
Council Of Ephesus – 431 A.D.

If anyone does not confess that Emmanuel is God in truth, and therefore that the holy virgin is the mother of God (for she bore in a fleshly way the Word of God become flesh) let him be anathema.

Lk 1:43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

bound on earth bound in heaven

 

[theefaith]

Of course he's not..:)
Simon Peter said "You are the son of God", and Jesus replied "You got it". (Matthew 16:13-17)

son of God is divine!

Of course he's not..:)
Simon Peter said "You are the son of God", and Jesus replied "You got it". (Matthew 16:13-17)

1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, andthe Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

 

[atpollard]

there other beliefs where the word ain’t in scripture
Trinity
Rapture
Immersion

Technically, the word "baptiso" means to "whelm" or "submerge in liquid", so "Immersion" really IS in Scripture.

Trinity and Rapture I will give you. ;)

 

[theefaith]

Technically, the word "baptiso" means to "whelm" or "submerge in liquid", so "Immersion" really IS in Scripture.

Trinity and Rapture I will give you. ;)

the word immersion is not but the word sprinkle is

Ez 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

Sprinkle 54 times

wash acts 22:16
washing Titus 3:5

 

[Cassandra]

the communion of saints includes all saints

the saints can't hear you, but God can.

Please stop ascribing to creatures the characteristics of the Creator.

God alone is omniscient.