Sure thing, it's a servant's duty, tksThank you for sharing some of your thoughts on those things, Fred.
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Sure thing, it's a servant's duty, tksThank you for sharing some of your thoughts on those things, Fred.
Not sure you actually read the post I was responding to….Here you go my lady, Matthew 13:55 and Mark 6:3
If Jesus was the Father, then he had “sons” not “brothers”….that was my point…..@Gabriel _ArchImmanuel,Jesus,was the Father.
You said Jesus was the Father….if he was the Father then he did not have “brothers”….he had “sons”….No?Of course he has siblings. I don't know where you get the idea I implied Immanuel has sons.
This is ancient Hebrew, don’t forget…..name meant something…..”God with us” means what?Immanuel means , God with us. That's pretty clear. Along with all the other verses that has him telling us he is the Father.
You right i did not actually read, for there were some back and forth, i got lost in the midst.Not sure you actually read the post I was responding to….
If Jesus was the Father, then he had “sons” not “brothers”….that was my point…..@Gabriel _Arch
Jesus was the FATHER, merely being the image of the invisible FATHER. And, Jesus is not the FATHER KING HIMSELF, whom resides in Heaven and in secret.Immanuel,Jesus,was the Father.
Jesus is the Prince God subjected to the FATHER KING GOD. And His capability is vital to the mission, but only to a certain extend. For the Trinity in whole and togetherness, FATHER and the Holy Spirit as well, painted the picture in perfection.Since Jesus is God He is quite capable!
Since Jesus is God He has no limits.Jesus is the Prince God subjected to the FATHER KING GOD. And His capability is vital to the mission, but only to a certain extend. For the Trinity in whole and togetherness, FATHER and the Holy Spirit as well, painted the picture in perfection.
It can happen in the back and forth……welcome to the forum BTW…You right i did not actually read, for there were some back and forth, i got lost in the midst.
Nowhere in all of scripture is Jesus ever called “the Father” because God is his Father too….even in heaven, the Father is the God of Jesus. ( Rev 3:12; John 20:17)Gabriel, was saying Jesus is the FATHER, is somehow correct, because if we've seen Jesus, we've seen the FATHER. Since, Jesus is the image of the invisible GOD (Colossians 1:15, Hebrews 1:3)
Yes that is correct…..he is a “father figure” because he is a life giver to all who accept him as God’s son and redeemer. He is also a “mighty god” in that he is divine and with the power of God’s spirit was able to do powerful works.…but never is Jesus called “Almighty”….that title is reserved for his Father.But on the other hand, Jesus is not the FATHER, though also sort of a Father figure to mankind. This because Jesus Himself paid the ransom to bring salvation, redemption, freedom and everlasting life to all mankind.
Isaiah 9:6, among others, His name shall be called, - Mighty God, Everlasting Father -
Indeed, I have no issue at all with that….. it’s good to share our thoughts in a spirit of mildness.And GOD the FATHER holds the title of, ALL MIGHTY cum ALL MOST HIGH GOD and the FATHER of all. Now, am not doing this in correction, but merely sharing, thank you.
Col 1 By Jesus all things were created.Nowhere in all of scripture is Jesus ever called “the Father” because God is his Father too….even in heaven, the Father is the God of Jesus. ( Rev 3:12; John 20:17)
Colossians 1He is the “firstborn of ALL creation” according to Col 1:15-17.
And an “image” is a copy of the real thing. Since he cannot reflect his invisible Father physically, he is the image of him in personality, and one with him in purpose. “Like father, like son”….
ONLY Jesus / Jehovah / God are called "Mighty God" in the Bible. NOBODY else! They are the same. Even the JW bible says so.Yes that is correct…..he is a “father figure” because he is a life giver to all who accept him as God’s son and redeemer. He is also a “mighty god” in that he is divine and with the power of God’s spirit was able to do powerful works.…but never is Jesus called “Almighty”….that title is reserved for his Father.
Really ....Where is that verse?
There is not even one verse that says Jesus raised himself from the dead. The word "Father" is not a living being. It's a name and tile that we use to describe parents. God is Spirit and that's what it says got Jesus up.Romans 8:11, says the Holy Spirit raised Jesus from the dead. Nevertheless, GOD indeed part of the role in raising Jesus from the dead, and even to the Son His role together.
For instant, if Jesus did not complete His role, the other two role in the Trinity cannot complete theirs. In other words, it can be said, Jesus raised Himself from the dead, and the FATHER raised Jesus from the dead, and also the Holy Spirit raised Jesus from the dead.
Scripture contextually testifies that three of them in their individual role performed, completed the resurrection. Overall, on that day, the FATHER resides in Heaven and in secret as always. While, the Son was dead buried for three days and nights in the ground.
Finally, the Holy Spirit who hover over the earth and water, the power who raised Jesus from the dead in the end.
Where in all of scripture does it ever say that? Jesus has “brothers”…nowhere does it ever say that he has “sons” because he is a son himself.
That is not what I said.....my point was that Jesus is not the Father......he had “brothers” not “sons”.![]()
BRETHREN - Definition from the KJV Dictionary
Definition of BRETHREN from the King James Bible Dictionaryav1611.com
brethren
BRETH'REN, n. plu. of brother. It is used almost exclusively in solemn and scriptural language,in the place of brothers. See Brother.
Not true. Though I know there's no chance of correcting an errant denominational teaching.Jesus was the FATHER, merely being the image of the invisible FATHER. And, Jesus is not the FATHER KING HIMSELF, whom resides in Heaven and in secret.
Jesus is sort of the second inline, Father Prince and God to all creation while subjected to the FATHER. Which creation apparently he laid the foundation and is all the works of His hands with the FATHER.
NoYou said Jesus was the Father….if he was the Father then he did not have “brothers”….he had “sons”….No?
No scripture says that Jesus is the Father…he is the son. He has a Father who is also his God. (Rev 3:12)
This is ancient Hebrew, don’t forget…..name meant something…..”God with us” means what?
Jesus wasn’t the original “Immanuel” of Isaiah‘s prophesy. Do you know the story?
When Gabriel told Mary of the son she would have by holy spirit, he said that his name would be “Jesus”. (Luke 1:30-33)
Apparently yes, if you were to put in direct context of the Scripture. But Jesus did say, He have the authority to lay down His life and lift it up again, even before fulfilling the mission. Therefore, it was His own effort to fulfill in the end, and according to GOD's righteousness indeed He will be resurrected without a question.There is not even one verse that says Jesus raised himself from the dead. The word "Father" is not a living being. It's a name and tile that we use to describe parents. God is Spirit and that's what it says got Jesus up.
You are wrong, it is Scriptural in Colossians 1:15, for the error is in your part. And, i may find it difficult to beat because i too perceive the denomination you represent., sorryNot true. Though I know there's no chance of correcting an errant denominational teaching.
False, He has His limits in obedience subjected only to the FATHER. For instant, He know not the hour and time, for only the FATHER knows.Since Jesus is God He has no limits.
John 20 Thomas said to Jesus, "My Lord and my God".False, He has His limits in obedience subjected only to the FATHER. For instant, He know not the hour and time, for only the FATHER knows.