Did Jesus inherit sinful flesh nature?

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Greetings again Aunty Jane,
I agree but this is something that bothered me before I started to study the Bible for myself….if Jesus died for us almost 2000 years ago…why is death still a tragic part of our lives?
Jesus came to overcome sin and the effects of sin and he did this first in himself in overcoming sin, having never yielded to the lusts of the flesh and he endured the great trials and sufferings, even unto the death on the cross or tree. He endured all the effects of Adam's sin, and God raised him the dead.

Rather than cancelling out all the effects of Adam's sin, he opened up the way whereby we can share in his victory, not only by a transformed life now, but also the promise of resurrection and everlasting life when he returns. Jesus will only cancel out ALL the effects of Adam's sin at the end of the 1000 years, when even death itself will be abolished.
I have a different take on that…..The Kingdom of God is a heavenly arrangement that meant taking some humans to heaven to rule with Christ in his Kingdom.
Yes, I am aware of the JW perspective on 1914, the 144,000 and the two classes of people. I reject the concept that only the NT faithful will be with Jesus. I believe that Jesus will return soon and gather to himself the faithful, one class of people from OT and NT times and he will then rule on earth.
Jesus promised his disciples that he was “going to prepare a place” for them “in his Father’s house”, but they did not understand that this was in heaven.
Jesus was going to be crucified and then going to heaven and this was to prepare a place for all the faithful in the spiritual Temple.
Not all can be part of the Kingdom arrangement…because like all governments, it needs people…..subjects to rule, and those who need the services of priests to lead them in worship and to intercede for them with God.
God had a purpose in creating humans to live forever on earth….and what he starts, he finishes….(Isa 55:11)
The faithful will be kings and priests over a significant remnant of natural Israel who will be converted when Christ returns and after Armageddon. Jesus will also rule over the mortal nations who survive Armageddon and the judgements after this and these nations will learn the ways of God during the 1000 years Isaiah 2:1-4. Yes we have different perspectives on the Kingdom of God.

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Because as Jesus Christ said on the cross,
The Gospel of Luke 23:34
Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.

He was asking forgiveness for the Roman soldiers who were just following orders…he was not asking forgiveness for the wicked men who orchestrated his murder. Even Pilate knew that he was innocent.
He had already condemned the religious leaders to “Gehenna”. (Matt 23:33)
Not just to the Roman soldiers, but to everyone. Stephen said the same thing to others.
 

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Not just to the Roman soldiers, but to everyone. Stephen said the same thing to others.
It is true that Jesus’ sacrifice covers “everyone”….but not everyone will accept the terms, as it requires something of them……it requires genuine repentance, a turning around, and the sacrifice of their own will to God’s will, as Jesus demonstrated….when it comes down to it….not many are willing to put themselves out and change their behavior to conform to Christ’s example. Which is why the majority are travelling the broad and easy road to “destruction”. (Matt 7:13-14)

Luke 22:42…
“Father, if you want to, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, let, not my will, but yours take place.”

What was the ”cup” that Jesus wanted his God to “remove”? It wasn’t his sacrificial death, as that was his primary mission….it was the charge of blasphemy that tore at his soul. How could the “son of God” blaspheme the one who sent him, out of love to rescue Adam’s children? (John 3:16)
Nevertheless, he was prepared to die as a convicted criminal, rather than to uphold his personal feelings on the matter.
He would fulfill the prophesy at Isa 53:5, 11-12….

“But he was pierced for our transgression;
He was crushed for our errors.
He bore the punishment for our peace,
And because of his wounds we were healed.

11  Because of his anguish, he will see and be satisfied.
By means of his knowledge the righteous one, my servant,
Will bring a righteous standing to many people,
And their errors he will bear.
12  For that reason I will assign him a portion among the many,
And he will apportion the spoil with the mighty,
Because he poured out his life even to death
And was counted among the transgressors;
He carried the sin of many people,

And he interceded for the transgressors.”

What an amazing act of love…..
 
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Yes, I am aware of the JW perspective on 1914, the 144,000 and the two classes of people. I reject the concept that only the NT faithful will be with Jesus. I believe that Jesus will return soon and gather to himself the faithful, one class of people from OT and NT times and he will then rule on earth.
Since the very foundations of the Kingdom rest on the 12 living stones (the apostles) supported by the chief cornerstone, (who is Jesus Christ), parties to the new covenant were only taken into that covenant on the night before Jesus died. Those who lived and died before that covenant was instituted were not included.
No one who died before Christ was eligible for heaven, because Christ’s death and resurrection opened the way….demonstrated by the curtain in the most holy compartment of the Temple being “rent in two” at his death. This pictured opening the way for others to follow him to heaven.

All the faithful ones of old are still sleeping in their graves awaiting Messiah’s Kingdom, where they will, no doubt, have a meaningful role in the kingdom’s administration on earth. The system that God gave Israel, with its priesthood and Temple arrangement, was a shadow of the heavenly reality.

In his Revelation, John saw two groups of people attributing salvation to God and the Lamb.

Rev 7:4, 9-10, 13-14…..
”And I heard the number of those who were sealed, 144,000, sealed out of every tribe of the sons of Israel”.
This is spiritual Israel, not fleshly Israel. The “Israel of God” are made up of those who came to Christ out of all nations…..(Gal 6:16, Acts 10:34-35)

”After this I saw, and look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands. 10 And they keep shouting with a loud voice, saying: “Salvation we owe to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb.”

So there are 144,000 who are “bought from among mankind as firstfruits”, (Rev 14:1-4) and who are seen on a heavenly Mt Zion with the Lamb.

“In response one of the elders said to me: “These who are dressed in the white robes, who are they and where did they come from?” 14 So right away I said to him: “My lord, you are the one who knows.” And he said to me: “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.”

Where does the “great tribulation” take place? It is here on earth and this “great crowd” are seen as survivors of that great time of trouble for humanity. The time of Jesus’ return as judge with his heavenly army, (Matt 24:21) to separate the “sheep from the goats”.
The faithful will be kings and priests over a significant remnant of natural Israel who will be converted when Christ returns and after Armageddon. Jesus will also rule over the mortal nations who survive Armageddon and the judgements after this and these nations will learn the ways of God during the 1000 years Isaiah 2:1-4. Yes we have different perspectives on the Kingdom of God.
This is not my understanding at all and makes no sense to me….so yes, we have totally different views of the Kingdom. What is the purpose of “Armageddon” after all? It is a cleansing of the earth, just as the flood was in Noah’s day…only this time the ark is spiritual….and the flood is the outpouring of Jehovah’s anger. (Matt 24:37-39)

Tell me Trevor, who are your brethren? who has taught you these things? From you own story I can tell that you are a seeker….so where did you finally find your spiritual home? Do you meet with your brothers and sisters regularly? Do your brethren take part in the great commission? (Matt 28:19-20; Matt 24:14)
 
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Greetings again Aunty Jane,
Those who lived and died before that covenant was instituted were not included.
I accept only one system of salvation, a belief of the Gospel of the Kingdom and Name Acts 8:5-6,12. Part of this was the promise concerning the Seed of the Woman, the various Promises to Abraham and this includes the New Covenant and the Promise of the Land, and this is expanded in the Promises to David. Justification is by faith.
No one who died before Christ was eligible for heaven
I do not believe in any heaven going.
What is the purpose of “Armageddon” after all?
It is a major Battle that will occur when Jesus returns, but only one step in the process of establishing the Kingdom of God upon the earth. I consider that Revelation 16:12-16 is parallel with the details of Ezekiel 38, Daniel 11:40-45, Zechariah 14 and many other prophecies. Have you considered these particular prophecies and the outcome predicted. These do not agree with the JW perspective.
Tell me Trevor, who are your brethren? who has taught you these things? From you own story I can tell that you are a seeker….so where did you finally find your spiritual home? Do you meet with your brothers and sisters regularly? Do your brethren take part in the great commission? (Matt 28:19-20; Matt 24:14)
I am a Christadelphian and I meet regularly in one of the eight meetings in my region.. Yes we preach the Gospel to the public, locally and to a wider audience. Also two of our senior brethren have recently preached in Pakistan and Vanuatu, and another senior brother has preached in Mongolia and other countries.

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Trevor
 

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This is another way that I see.

If Jesus had inherited a sinful nature....then how could he be the Son Of God...how could God have led him through His Spirit....he couldn’t, because there is no sin in God...Jesus could NOT be led by his Father’s Spirit if he had inherited a sin nature......plus we can’t fellowship with God, not unless he sets our spirit free from sin ,and our spirit becomes “ Born Again “...

There is NO sin in Jesus...there is NO sin in our Spirit Father God..

Only purity in Both, Jesus and His Father God....we are now also pure in the eyes of God as our spirit has been birthed into the Spirit of Christ......we still have the old man/ body of sin.....yet we have life, because we are clothed in the righteousness of Christ....Praise God.
 
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Greetings again Aunty Jane,
And to you Trevor…
I accept only one system of salvation, a belief of the Gospel of the Kingdom and Name Acts 8:5-6,12. Part of this was the promise concerning the Seed of the Woman, the various Promises to Abraham and this includes the New Covenant and the Promise of the Land, and this is expanded in the Promises to David. Justification is by faith.
Can I ask what is “the gospel of the Kingdom” according to your beliefs? What is it that was to be “preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations”? (Matt 24:14) Simply put…what is the kingdom message?
I do not believe in any heaven going.
Yet Jesus went there, and said he was going to prepare a place for his disciples (his elect or chosen ones) in his Father’s house. Where is his Father’s house?
1 Peter 1:3-5…
”Praised be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, for according to his great mercy he gave us a new birth to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 to an incorruptible and undefiled and unfading inheritance. It is reserved in the heavens for you, 5 who are being safeguarded by God’s power through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last period of time.”
And revealed it was….so, what was this “new birth” that they were to look forward to? What was the “incorruptible…undefiled and unfading inheritance” that they looked forward to receiving? It was ”reserved in the heavens” for them.
It is a major Battle that will occur when Jesus returns, but only one step in the process of establishing the Kingdom of God upon the earth. I consider that Revelation 16:12-16 is parallel with the details of Ezekiel 38, Daniel 11:40-45, Zechariah 14 and many other prophecies. Have you considered these particular prophecies and the outcome predicted. These do not agree with the JW perspective.
It’s all about the interpretation though, isn’t it? Why do you think that there are so many bickering denominations in Christendom….all have their own interpretation of Scripture, and satan has succeeded in masking the truth by planting his weeds in the whole world.

“Armageddon” is ‘the war to end all wars’, but it is not a specific geographical location….it is a world situation identified in the Scriptures…..JEHOVAH’S great day is near, and that means war….but who is fighting who?

In vision, the apostle John saw froglike “expressions inspired by demons” going forth to all “kings,” or rulers, of the earth. To do what?…..“to gather them together to the war of the great day of God the Almighty”! John added: “They gathered them together to the place that is called in Hebrew Har–Magedon”or “Mountain of Megiddo”. (Rev 16:13-16) Drawing on Megiddo’s history as the site of decisive battles, Revelation uses it to picture the approaching situation when hatred for God’s people by “all the nations” will reach a climax…and they will be specifically targeted with a vengeance…..in Satan’s last stand.

Soon, Jehovah will move this system’s political element to destroy Babylon the Great, the devil’s world empire of false religion. (Rev 17:1-5, 15-17) Then “Gog of Magog”, (nations influenced by Satan the Devil combining to eliminate God’s true worshippers.
In this “time of the end”, he and his hordes are confined to the vicinity of the earth. Rev 12:7-12) He will marshal his minions and make an all-out attack on Jehovah’s peaceful, seemingly defenseless people. (Ezekiel 38:1-12) But God will act to rescue his people. That will mark the outbreak of “the great and fear-inspiring day of Jehovah.” (Joel 2:31; Ezek 38:18-20)
I am a Christadelphian and I meet regularly in one of the eight meetings in my region.. Yes we preach the Gospel to the public, locally and to a wider audience. Also two of our senior brethren have recently preached in Pakistan and Vanuatu, and another senior brother has preached in Mongolia and other countries.
The preaching of the kingdom was to be global, (Matt 24:14) requiring an international army of preachers to get the task undertaken before “the end” comes. It is both a privilege and a great responsibility laid upon Christ’s disciples to engage in that work of declaring the good news of something better to come….to explain what God’s kingdom is, and how it is going to change the world for the better…..especially now when “the end” is so close and times are getting tougher and tougher…..in all my years of kingdom preaching, I have never seen your brethren out in public, or been visited by a Christadelphian….many people have never heard of your brotherhood. I have encountered maybe two or three in my door to door ministry, and it was refreshing to have many beliefs in common, but we do diverge when it comes to the Kingdom and what will take place when the end does finally arrive…..

There is only one truth, and Jesus knows who is “doing the will of his Father”. They imitate Christ in the activity he was most involved in…..preaching about God’s kingdom. (Acts 20:20)

All my best to you…..
 
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Greetings again Aunty Jane,
Can I ask what is “the gospel of the Kingdom” according to your beliefs? What is it that was to be “preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations”? (Matt 24:14) Simply put…what is the kingdom message?
As a simple summary, Jesus will return and establish the Kingdom of God upon the earth for the 1000 years. He will sit upon the Temple Throne of David in Jerusalem accompanied by the faithful as Kings and Priests. They will rule over the mortal converted nation of Israel, and the subjugated mortal nations who will learn the ways of God.
Where is his Father’s house?
Hebrews 3:1–6 (KJV): 1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus; 2 Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house. 3 For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honour than the house. 4 For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God. 5 And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after; 6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
Then “Gog of Magog”, ... will marshal his hordes and make an all-out attack on Jehovah’s peaceful, seemingly defenseless people. (Ezekiel 38:1-12)
Ezekiel 38 is speaking about natural Israel.
There is only one truth, and Jesus knows who is “doing the will of his Father”. They imitate Christ in the activity he was most involved in…..preaching about God’s kingdom. (Acts 20:20)
We extensively preach the Gospel, but a greater emphasis in our meetings is the spiritual growth and development of our members.

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We extensively preach the Gospel, but a greater emphasis in our meetings is the spiritual growth and development of our members.
I would love to speak with your members, but we so rarely encounter them. We do have a lot in common but the assignment that Jesus gave his disciples just before his ascension to heaven, (I assume that you believe Christ went to heaven and was resurrected in a spiritual body, not a body of flesh) was the preaching and disciple making work. (Matt 28:19-20) Emphasis on spiritual growth was important, as we see that the disciples regularly met to encourage one another in congregations, (Heb 10:24-25) and “all the more so“ as they beheld the day of Jehovah’s judgment drawing near.…..but sharing the kingdom message with others was paramount...and it was a global assignment, meaning that these disciples would have to be found actively preaching in every nation for that to be true. (Matt 24:14; Acts 20:20; Matt 10:11-14; Mark 13:9-11)
 
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Greetings again Aunty Jane,
I would love to speak with your members, but we so rarely encounter them.
We are available if you really want a serious discussion. There may not be an Ecclesia in the southern coastal region of NSW, but I personally know two couples who live in that region. There may other members in the Batemans Bay area as I once visited with a number of others. We also have various Internet access for those who want discussion and this will lead to greater contact.
I assume that you believe Christ went to heaven and was resurrected in a spiritual body, not a body of flesh
I believe that his physical body was resurrected and then he was changed to a spiritual body, similar to the Angels. I suspect that you are echoing the JWs unique teaching that his physical body was preserved but not resurrected. I reject that concept.
We do have a lot in common but the assignment that Jesus gave his disciples just before his ascension to heaven, was the preaching and disciple making work. (Matt 28:19-20)
I know that this activity is the major emphasis in the JW system. In my fellowship our major emphasis is the spiritual growth and development of our members. We purchased a small JW Hall many years ago, but as well as enlarging this we built four additional Sunday School rooms. The JWs built another hall in the region, and sold it recently, but it did not have any suitable Sunday School rooms. We considered purchasing this, but it was unsuitable and the local SDAs purchased the hall. In our region we have our own private school, open to others in the region. The Lady who gave me the latest JW booklet stated that her granddaughter attended and was very satisfied. The end result is that we retain the larger number of our young people as members of our meetings after baptism.

We also have the benefit of a "Bible School" in our region, and have a large gathering three times a year for a week, and this is for the separate education and edification of three groups, mature members, the teenagers and the younger children. The Bible School is also used for a number of other week long meetings, for example Seniors and Young People.
Emphasis on spiritual growth was important, as we see that the disciples regularly met to encourage one another in congregations, (Heb 10:24-25)
My assessment of the level of Bible understanding and exposition in the JW environment is that it is very inadequate. An example of this is your understanding of Ezekiel 38 and your understanding of Armageddon. I question whether what you expressed is your own attempt or a general reflection of what the JWs teach on this subject.

We are exhorted each week from the Bible before partaking of the bread and wine, but only very few JWs partake, once a year, despite the importance placed upon this by Jesus. Our Bible Classes are designed to educate and encourage us in the Bible and some of our Senior Members will expound a Bible Book, such as Hebrews (one chapter each class), Isaiah (over a number of years) and other books. These studies greatly improve our understanding and appreciation of the Word of God. This is a transforming process.

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Trevor
 
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You are suggesting that @Aunty Jane and myself are not Christian because we do not accept the Trinity.

Ever see all the scriptures about the Father?
Ever see all the scriptures about the Jesus?
Ever see all the scriptures about the Holy Spirit?

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I know that this activity is the major emphasis in the JW system.
Preaching was a major activity in Jesus’s day, (Matt 10:11-14) and was to continue to be so as Jesus said before his return to heaven…it was the assignment he left for his disciple….not as a recommendation, but as a command. “GO!”…(Matt 28:19-20). It was to be a witness “in all the inhabited earth”. (Matt 24:14)
In my fellowship our major emphasis is the spiritual growth and development of our members. We purchased a small JW Hall many years ago, but as well as enlarging this we built four additional Sunday School rooms. The JWs built another hall in the region, and sold it recently, but it did not have any suitable Sunday School rooms.
We do not divide the congregation up into age groups…all attend each meeting together as a congregation with participation by all ages. Sunday School is a left over from the church system that we left.
We leave the teaching of our children up to their parents, as Israel did, and as the first Christians did.

I attended Sunday School as a child but never really learned much except the stories….never had meaning put to them or why Jesus told them. It wasn’t till I studied the Bible that I learned about his parables and what they meant…..I had many of the puzzle pieces but now I knew where to put them.

In our region we have our own private school, open to others in the region. The Lady who gave me the latest JW booklet stated that her granddaughter attended and was very satisfied. The end result is that we retain the larger number of our young people as members of our meetings after baptism.
A lot of our children are home schooled these days…the school environment (especially High School) is not suitable for Christians in an age where gender issues have gone awry and sexual immorality is condoned….even expected. Bullying is also in unwanted stress for young ones who are only just learning who they are. We find that our children mature more quickly out of that environment.
My assessment of the level of Bible understanding and exposition in the JW environment is that it is very inadequate. An example of this is your understanding of Ezekiel 38 and your understanding of Armageddon. I question whether what you expressed is your own attempt or a general reflection of what the JWs teach on this subject.
We attend 5 meetings a week and all are Bible study related…all require personal study at home in order to participate in the discussions.…..just because we do not agree with your take on the Bible’s prophesies doesn’t make them wrong. Jesus will tell us all who got it right…won’t he?
We are exhorted each week from the Bible before partaking of the bread and wine, but only very few JWs partake, once a year, despite the importance placed upon this by Jesus.
So you partake of the bread and wine weekly, like the churches do…?

The memorial of Christ’s death replaced the Passover, which was the yearly observance of Israel’s salvation from the angel of death in Egypt. Christ is the figurative Passover Lamb whose blood saves those who obediently put faith in it to save them from another angel of death.
The memorial is an annual observance, held on the night which corresponds to Nisan 14 on the Jewish calendar.

Only those taken into the new covenant, partake of the emblems because they alone will rule with Christ in his Kingdom. They alone are spirit anointed for life in heaven because they alone are chosen for a role that requires them to leave their earthly abode to join Christ in heaven, in order to rule over redeemed mankind on earth. (Rev 21:2-4)

When Christ arrives as judge, he will “separate the sheep from the goats” and only the “sheep” will live to enjoy the blessings of the Kingdom. The “goats” will forfeit life, as they are bound for the “lake of fire” reserved for the devil and his hordes. (Matt 25: 31-46)

Later the sheep will be joined by those whom Christ calls from their graves (John 5:28-29)….some to a resurrection of life, having maintained their faith to the death, (as are pre-Cristian men and women of faith) whilst others are raised to a period of judgment where they have an opportunity to prove themselves worthy of life everlasting. They have paid sin’s wages and now through Christ’s sacrifice, can have their lives restored to learn what they could not, through circumstances beyond their control….perhaps being born at a time or in a place where the God of the Bible was unknown to them.

Since this is a yearly observance and only a limited number have “the heavenly calling” (Heb 3:1) we would expect their numbers to diminish as time goes on….but we also remember that being chosen does not mean that they cannot fall away. (2 Peter 2:20-22)
 
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Greetings again Aunty Jane,
Sunday School is a left over from the church system that we left.
We do not copy the churches. Our Sunday School is held from 9am to 10:15am, while our Memorial Meeting from 11am to 12:20pm and as such many of the children attend both. There are three levels Junior 4-8yo. Intermediate 9-13yo and Senior 14-18yo. Each age group has a set of appropriate notes for their age group and these progressively cover the Bible in five parts. There is also a separate Senior Adult Sunday School Class and at the moment they are progressing through the Book of Revelation.
So you partake of the bread and wine weekly, like the churches do…?
We base our understanding on the Bible, not the churches. I am happy to terminate our present discussion.

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Jesus took Adams human nature after the fall so He was born with all the damage done to mans nature during that time.

Actually Jesus was not born "Like Adam", He was born "like God" but as a human.
So, he didnt acquire Adam's issues, because He is not "of Adam" He is "of God".
Yet, by being fully Human, he lived as one in this world, same as you and me.
 

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Did Jesus inherit a sinful nature.....what does the inspired word say?

I could take a pop at it and voice my opinion, my opinion isn’t valid....only the word of God is.

Did Jesus Inherit the sin nature of the first Adam...I think not....Jesus came to set us free from our inherited sin nature....he was the Holy, Perfect, Pure , second Adam.

Praise God for Jesus....who came to set our spirit free from sin...the Born Again..chosen and predestined to become a child of God..Spirit gives birth to spirit....set free from sin and clothed in the righteousness of Christ...don’t get any better than that folks.
He picked up where man was at the time of His birth, not at the time of Adam, and He was not impeccable or it all would have been a charade. Physically, Christ was like us, under the weight of the generations of damaged humanity and its state of being at that time under sin, and under the consequences of aging. But morally, Christ could be tested by temptation as scripture shows us, but Christ using the same power we have available to us today, resisted and kept from and did not have our ungodly desires or sinful inclinations.

1 Peter 1:18-19
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

We have to have the same righteousness as Christ 'in the flesh' had, we must take off our filthy rags and put own His garment He provides, as just as we must do in becoming dead to sin, Christ did, and if with the Holy Spirit we are made dead to sin and ungodly desire, we then allow for Christ to be in us and we in Him, and put on His righteousness and become "alive unto God".

Romans 6:11
Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

So Christ has no advantage when it comes to sin. And we see this..
Hebrews 4:15
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

The Bible clearly teaches that Christ was tempted just as other men are tempted, He "was in all points tempted like as we are." Such temptation must necessarily include the possibility of sinning; but Christ was without sin. There is no Bible support for the teaching that the mother of Christ, by an immaculate conception, was cut off from the sinful inheritance of the race, and therefore her divine Son, Christ was incapable of sinning. He came as man was at that time and overcame as see "yet without sin." So He could save us, it was never a charade...
 

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We have to have the same righteousness as Christ 'in the flesh' had, we must take off our filthy rags and put own His garment He provides, as just as we must do in becoming dead to sin, Christ did, and if with the Holy Spirit we are made dead to sin and ungodly desire, we then allow for Christ to be in us and we in Him, and put on His righteousness and become "alive unto God".
We have NOTHING without the Spirit...we are dead to sin..that is,until we are Born Of The Spirit.

Allow Christ in us?

...that is not how the inspired word says that we are Born Of The Spirit ....plus scripture backs up Gods Living Witness the Holy Spirit... my spirit was Born Again by Gods mercy and grace...crying with happiness, could not believe what had just happened ....becoming Born Of The Spirit...is an act that only the Living Spirit can supernaturally perform..it can’t be explained either, it’s just between God and man/ woman.

We are clothed in the righteousness of Christ, a Born Again represents the Father, we are being conformed in Jesus image...that is a work of the Spirit in our hearts....

There is nowhere in scripture ,that says a Born Again allows God in....we were already chosen and predestined for that supernatural act....it comes by divine heart revelation.

Jesus was the Son Of God...if he had ,had any sin in him, then he could not have been be our perfect saviour ....from the before the foundation of the world....he was going to be God’s Son...who knew no sin...

His will was always inline with his Father’s will, they were in perfect harmony with each other.

A Born Again, the moment they are birthed, are reconciled back to God...they are then in the Spirit hands....he teaches us how to obey God and understand his will.

Reading a Bible doesn’t do that, it confirms what has been witnessed to our spirit.....

You must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God...

If we aren’t Born Again, we can’t be led by the Spirit....we communicate with God from within our inner man/ spirit...once it’s been Born Of The Spirit......then we are on that long narrow hard journey.

Being conformed into Jesus image....Praise God.

2 Corinthians 5:21​




21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; thatwe might be made the righteousness of God in him.


Via His Spirit, when it is Born Of The Spirit....that is when we are clothed in the righteousness of Christ.
 
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We have NOTHING without the Spirit...we are dead to sin..that is,until we are Born If The Spirit.

Allow Christ in us?

...that is not how the inspired word says that we are Born Of The Spirit ....plus scripture backs up Gods Living Witness the Holy Spirit... my spirit was Born Again by Gods mercy and grace...crying with happiness, could no believe what had just happened ....becoming Born Of The Spirit...is an act that only the Living Spirit can supernaturally perform..it can’t be explained either, it’s just between God and man/ woman.

We are clothed in the righteousness of Christ, a Born Again represents the Father, we are being conformed in Jesus image...that is a work of the Spirit in our hearts....

There is nowhere in scripture ,that says a Born Again allows God in....we were already chosen and predestined for that supernatural act....it comes by divine heart revelation.
Our Body as God’s Temple
1 Corinthians 6:19–20 (NIV):
"Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies."

This teaches that believers’ bodies are sacred because the Holy Spirit dwells in them. We are called to honor God by caring for our bodies and avoiding sin.

2. God’s Presence and Obedience
John 14:23 (NIV):
"Jesus replied, ‘Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.’"

Obedience to God’s Word invites His presence into our lives. Disobedience, however, can grieve the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 4:30).

3. Destroying the Temple

  • 1 Corinthians 3:16–17 (NIV):
    "Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in your midst? If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy that person; for God’s temple is sacred, and you together are that temple."
    • This warns against actions (e.g., sin, division, or self-harm) that harm the spiritual or physical well-being of believers, who collectively form God’s temple.
 

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"Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you,
Once we are Born Of The Spirit...only then do we house the Spirit....
whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies."
Which we do, Honour our bodies...the moment my spirit became Born Again....my body, heart and life , were surrendered over to the Spirit Of God...I belong to him and no other...I was only in my 30s when I became Born Of The Spirit.

Never dated a man, since I became Born Again and NEVER will...God has my heart 100%.

Unless it’s Gods will that I marry.
This teaches that believers’ bodies are sacred because the Holy Spirit dwells in them. We are called to honor God by caring for our bodies and avoiding sin.
So they can't keep on sinning, because they are children of God. KJV Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God

We were birthed by the Living seed of God.in other words His Living Holy Spirit....The Spirit Witnesses Gods Truth to our heart, the Bible confirms this......
 
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