Covid 19... Not the main concern.

[historyb]

I am no where convinced that the "worst case scenarios' being presented will be realised.

I hope not, I fear the worst and can no longer see the future. The end of humanity I fear is here

 

[Earburner]

Considering I offered no specifics regarding my understanding of prophecy, you have made a lot of bold assumptions. All I said was that I expect a global tyrannical religious entity which shall coerce everyone into submitting to it's authority. This is no more than what is plainly declared in scripture.
I did add that this global Enterprise will be headed by the Vatican. I do not look at that scenario through religious glasses as you suggest, but on the contrary,

• thorough analysis of history
• An appreciation that history repeats
• An historicist understanding of prophecy
• And observation of current events that clearly corroborate all of the above.

Who else do you see as the only logical candidate to head up the religious branch of the NWO now being established under our noses? BTW, to suggest that the powers that be that are controlling world affairs and manipulating stock markets and controlling the media is anything other than religious powers would be utterly naive. As to your other views on Daniel etc, that's another discussion for another thread. In this thread I'm just telling it as I see it unfolding.

Thanks for your reply! I am not assuming anything about your personal beliefs, except that you are influenced by SDA thinking, of which you admitted, by saying:
"Now most of you know I'm an Adventist".

Many Christians today are being duped into thinking that "Religion", a religious authority of Christianity, and/or a singular man, is shaping the world as we know it. They are seriously in error!

As concerning the NWO, I gave numerous clues for your research, but you never referred to any of them.
Are you content with your current form of belief system?

Yes, by all means, there is a "religion" in play, but its not about any christian religion, as to how you and many understand it. In fact its vehemently opposed to these verses: 2 Peter 3:11-13

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I am not suggesting rebellion. Certainly not in the name of Christ. I agree with the above verses... It is only common sense to take precautions, and even if we do believe the reaction from governments, the media, and the public is way over the top, not to comply with directives makes one look stupid and selfish.
That said, can you not see how the world is being conditioned to obey without objection? Sure, the causes (9/11, covid 19, terrorism) seem reasonable. But how many of them have been deliberately planted in order to condition mankind to be submissive? Did you know that the modem American education system came from Austria? Did you know that the Austria education system of the early to mid 19th century which was brought to America by the Rockefellers, was designed specifically to make the population more subservient and compliant I'm the wake of war? Previously Austria had been ploughed under by opposing forces and they had had enough. So they changed their form of education to create a people who in warfare would respond without question, and over without argument. Now imagine what that would accomplish in a society without the threat of war? Or at least, without realising they were at war? Look at the current young generation in America. What generation before then we're so willing and so susceptible to believing everything they read and great from the media, without questioning, without investigating the sources, without challenging what they are presented with? Oh, by the way. Who designed the Austria education system in the beginning? The Catholic Church through the Jesuits. Their teachings and form of education was used as the original model.

So, the point? We are fast approaching a time of trouble where a single world religion will establish religious laws that directly impinge on how and who we worship. This will be accomplished by way of deception... There will, like the current crisis, be logical and reasonable cause for doing such a thing, and what do you think will be result?
KJV Revelation 13
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
The vast majority of mankind will welcome the new order with open arms... Because they have been conditioned to meekly "submit to government authorities".

I guess it comes down to what one believes the mark of the beast is that they are to reject. Endless debates there. I guess it depends if one sees it as a single moment where they will be forced to receive this mark and have a single choice to make. Not saying it is right but for me it is ongoing, in to follow after the Spirit which leads to life instead of following after the flesh which end is death.

 

[Josho]

Okay okay, it's not covid 29. Misprint and can't edit title. Sorry for any confusion.

There mate, fixed it up for you.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

So you may be thinking, where is the biblical evidence for such a scenario? Here...

KJV Matthew 24
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

So the above is where we are now. We've witnessed all of the above. We are living it. So what is the next step in the process timeline?

9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

Did you get that? Hated it all Nations... Those Nations which were formerly, just two verses ago, at each other's throats are now united under a common purpose... Deliver those who profess Christ and keep His commandments to the authorities to be afflicted, and then killed. Why would that be? Because they have refused that Mark which the rest of the world readily accepted. Instead they have that name. The name in their forehead... The name of their Father. Not the father the world has accepted, but the name and character of the holy one who reigns and rules over the Nations from His throne in glory. Not the counterfeit who pretends to reign over men. Soon, everyone will have a choice to make. And it's going to cost.

“Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and you shall be hated of all nations for my name sake.” Went back to read on this yesterday. A few things there is not just the bad news but the good news. one) He said in that hour He would give what is to be said. To take no thought for “that hour” that He will provide. going as far as saying He will provide what “the body puts on” which is the new man created and “prepared” unto good works. To put off the old man and his deceit and cloak of malice and to put on the new man, to be clothed in righteousness which are the works by Jesus Christ. Second) He said that it is for His sake they hate so that “He is revealed” in the ones who love. We are to be looking for and loving the appearance of Christ. Considering where the treasure is where thief cannot steal, nor moth consumes. Malachi 3:10–11 (YLT): Bring in all the tithe unto the treasure-house, And there is food in My house; When ye have tried Me, now, with this, Said Jehovah of Hosts, Do not I open to you the windows of heaven? Yea, I have emptied on you a blessing till there is no space. 11And I have pushed for you against the consumer, And He doth not destroy to you the fruit of the ground, Nor miscarry to you doth the vine in the field, Said Jehovah of Hosts.

John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
“Nor miscarry to you doth the vine in the field” 4:3–9 (YLT): Hearken, (listen and hear) lo, the sower went forth to sow; 4and it came to pass, in the sowing, some fell(fall away) by the way, and the fowls of the heaven did come and devour it; 5and other fell upon the rocky ground, where it had not much earth, and immediately it sprang forth, because of not having depth of earth, 6and the sun having risen, it was scorched, and because of not having root it did wither;

“Where it had not much earth, ...immediately (too soon) it sprang forth, because of not having depth of earth” two to consider here: God saying He would remove the stony heart and give a New heart of flesh. A heart which faints not. Instead of “it had not much earth”, and also the “immediately it sprang forth” . Gods promise to rebuke the devourer and the Vine will yield fruits. As He said He waits and is patient and long-suffering for the precious fruit. A lot of good news.

You said: ”Did you get that? Hated it all Nations...“ yet the command is to love those who hate you For His sake.

 

[Earburner]

I can't remember where I uploaded this from... But it ain't mine....
There are those that think this virus never originated in China...it came out of a US Army Lab....

COVID-19: Further Evidence that the Virus Originated in the US
By Larry Romanoff
Global Research, March 11, 2020
Region: USA
Theme: Intelligence, Science and Medicine


It would be useful to read this prior article for background:

China’s Coronavirus: A Shocking Update. Did The Virus Originate in the US?

By Larry Romanoff, March 04, 2020

***

As readers will recall from the earlier article (above), Japanese and Taiwanese epidemiologists and pharmacologists have determined that the new coronavirus could have originated in the US since that country is the only one known to have all five types – from which all others must have descended. Wuhan in China has only one of those types, rendering it in analogy as a kind of “branch” which cannot exist by itself but must have grown from a “tree”.

The Taiwanese physician noted that in August of 2019 the US had a flurry of lung pneumonias or similar, which the Americans blamed on ‘vaping’ from e-cigarettes, but which, according to the scientist, the symptoms and conditions could not be explained by e-cigarettes. He said he wrote to the US officials telling them he suspected those deaths were likely due to the coronavirus. He claims his warnings were ignored.

Immediately prior to that, the CDC totally shut down the US Military’s main bio-lab at Fort Detrick, Maryland, due to an absence of safeguards against pathogen leakages, issuing a complete “cease and desist” order to the military. It was immediately after this event that the ‘e-cigarette’ epidemic arose.

We also had the Japanese citizens infected in September of 2019, in Hawaii, people who had never been to China, these infections occurring on US soil long before the outbreak in Wuhan but only shortly after the locking down of Fort Detrick.

Then, on Chinese social media, another article appeared, aware of the above but presenting further details. It stated in part that five “foreign” athletes or other personnel visiting Wuhan for the World Military Games (October 18-27, 2019) were hospitalised in Wuhan for an undetermined infection.

The article explains more clearly that the Wuhan version of the virus could have come only from the US because it is what they call a “branch” which could not have been created first because it would have no ‘seed’. It would have to have been a new variety spun off the original ‘trunk’, and that trunk exists only in the US. (1)

There has been much public speculation that the coronavirus had been deliberately transmitted to China but, according to the Chinese article, a less sinister alternative is possible.

If some members of the US team at the World Military Games (18-27 October) had become infected by the virus from an accidental outbreak at Fort Detrick it is possible that, with a long initial incubation period, their symptoms might have been minor, and those individuals could easily have ‘toured’ the city of Wuhan during their stay, infecting potentially thousands of local residents in various locations, many of whom would later travel to the seafood market from which the virus would spread like wildfire (as it did).

That would account also for the practical impossibility of locating the legendary “patient zero” – which in this case has never been found since there would have been many of them.

Next, Daniel Lucey, an infectious disease expert at Georgetown University in Washington, said in an article in Science magazine that the first human infection has been confirmed as occurring in November 2019, (not in Wuhan), suggesting the virus originated elsewhere and then spread to the seafood markets. “One group put the origin of the outbreak as early as 18 September 2019.” (2) (3)

China’s New Coronavirus: An Examination of the Facts
Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spreading globally.

Description of earliest cases suggests the outbreak began elsewhere.

The article states:

“As confirmed cases of a novel virus surge around the world with worrisome speed, all eyes have so far focused on a seafood market in Wuhan, China, as the origin of the outbreak. But a description of the first clinical cases published in The Lancet on Friday challenges that hypothesis.” (4) (5)

The paper, written by a group of Chinese researchers from several institutions, offers details about the first 41 hospitalized patients who had confirmed infections with what has been dubbed 2019 novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV).

In the earliest case, the patient became ill on 1 December 2019 and had no reported link to the seafood market, the authors report. “No epidemiological link was found between the first patient and later cases”, they state. Their data also show that, in total, 13 of the 41 cases had no link to the marketplace. “That’s a big number, 13, with no link”, says Daniel Lucey . . . (6)

Earlier reports from Chinese health authorities and the World Health Organization had said the first patient had onset of symptoms on 8 December 2019 – and those reports simply said “most” cases had links to the seafood market, which was closed on 1 January. (7)

“Lucey says if the new data are accurate, the first human infections must have occurred in November 2019 – if not earlier – because there is an incubation time between infection and symptoms surfacing. If so, the virus possibly spread silently between people in Wuhan – and perhaps elsewhere – before the cluster of cases from the city’s now-infamous Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market was discovered in late December. “The virus came into that marketplace before it came out of that marketplace”, Lucey asserts.

“China must have realized the epidemic did not originate in that Wuhan Huanan seafood market”, Lucey told Science Insider. (8)

Kristian Andersen is an evolutionary biologist at the Scripps Research Institute who has analyzed sequences of 2019-nCoV to try to clarify its origin. He said the scenario was “entirely plausible” of infected persons bringing the virus into the seafood market from somewhere outside. According to the Science article,

“Andersen posted his analysis of 27 available genomes of 2019-nCoV on 25 January on a virology research website. It suggests they had a “most recent common ancestor” – meaning a common source – as early as 1 October 2019.” (9)

It was interesting that Lucey also noted that MERS was originally believed to have come from a patient in Saudi Arabia in June of 2012, but later and more thorough studies traced it back to an earlier hospital outbreak of unexplained pneumonia in Jordan in April of that year. Lucey said that from stored samples from people who died in Jordan, medical authorities confirmed they had been infected with the MERS virus. (10)

This would provide impetus for caution among the public in accepting the “official standard narrative” that the Western media are always so eager to provide – as they did with SARS, MERS, and ZIKA, all of which ‘official narratives’ were later proven to have been wrong.

In this case, the Western media flooded their pages for months about the COVID-19 virus originating in the Wuhan seafood market, caused by people eating bats and wild animals. All of this has been proven wrong.

Not only did the virus not originate at the seafood market, it did not originate in Wuhan at all, and it has now been proven that it did not originate in China but was brought to China from another country. Part of the proof of this assertion is that the genome varieties of the virus in Iran and Italy have been sequenced and declared to have no part of the variety that infected China and must, by definition, have originated elsewhere.

It would seem the only possibility for origination would be the US because only that country has the “tree trunk” of all the varieties. And it may therefore be true that the original source of the COVID-19 virus was the US military bio-warfare lab at Fort Detrick. This would not be a surprise, given that the CDC completely shut down Fort Detrick, but also because, as I related in an earlier article, between 2005 and 2012 the US had experienced 1,059 events where pathogens had been either stolen or escaped from American bio-labs during the prior ten years.

something to consider..seriously

Get your eyes and thoughts off of the details and look further down the road for the goal.
Wars, plagues, recycling, economic collapses etc. are all the tools by which the world is being manipulated and maneuvered into their ultimate goal: "Save the Planet".

Born Again Christians, who truly understand
2 Peter 3:11-13 and Revelation 19:19, do know what is going on and how it will all END.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Get your eyes and thoughts off of the details and look further down the road for the goal.
Wars, plagues, recycling, economic collapses etc. are all the tools by which the world is being manipulated and maneuvered into their ultimate goal: "Save the Planet".

Born Again Christians, who truly understand
2 Peter 3:11-13 and Revelation 19:19, do know what is going on and how it will all END.

Mark 4:16 ‘And these are they, in like manner, who on the rocky ground are sown: who, whenever they may hear the word, immediately with joy do receive it, 17and have not root in themselves, but are temporary; afterward tribulation or persecution having come because of the word, immediately they are stumbled.

Not to derail the thread (maybe can discuss it at another time) but have been considering much of what you’ve brought up before in other threads about birth and the womb. “a miscarrying womb”...Hosea 9:14 Give them, O Lord : what wilt thou give? give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Get your eyes and thoughts off of the details and look further down the road for the goal.
Wars, plagues, recycling, economic collapses etc. are all the tools by which the world is being manipulated and maneuvered into their ultimate goal: "Save the Planet".

Born Again Christians, who truly understand
2 Peter 3:11-13 and Revelation 19:19, do know what is going on and how it will all END.

Not to derail the thread (maybe can discuss it at another time) but have been considering much of what you’ve brought up before in other threads about birth and the womb. “a miscarrying womb”...Hosea 9:14 Give them, O Lord : what wilt thou give? give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts.

Ignore the last part. Just remembered that was @Base12 that spoke about the womb. Don’t know why I get you two mixed up. I’m sorry.

 

[Giuliano]

It has been talked about for most of my Christian Life... And planned for by the powers that be since Babel.

I don't see how you can connect the Vatican with a world currency when it's Russia and China talking about it now.

Don't be so sure that the Vatican has no involvement or part to play in this. The relationship between the Rothschilds and the Vatican is very tight.

I see no evidence for it.

My entire worldview is based on what I see before me and how it harmonizes with prophecy. Tomorrow is merely the inevitable conclusion to what is going on today. History repeats... There is nothing new under the sun.

So you expect another Temple to be built so Matthew 24 can be replayed? I ask that because you wrote:

So you may be thinking, where is the biblical evidence for such a scenario? Here...

KJV Matthew 24
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

So the above is where we are now. We've witnessed all of the above. We are living it. So what is the next step in the process timeline?

9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

Did you get that? Hated it all Nations... Those Nations which were formerly, just two verses ago, at each other's throats are now united under a common purpose... Deliver those who profess Christ and keep His commandments to the authorities to be afflicted, and then killed. Why would that be? Because they have refused that Mark which the rest of the world readily accepted. Instead they have that name. The name in their forehead... The name of their Father. Not the father the world has accepted, but the name and character of the holy one who reigns and rules over the Nations from His throne in glory. Not the counterfeit who pretends to reign over men. Soon, everyone will have a choice to make. And it's going to cost.

I don't know where to start to untangle things. How does Matthew 24 fit? It's already been fulfilled. The entire chapter is about events that would occur before the destruction of the Temple.

I'll admit I believe in patterns in history. There are some interesting international events occurring now too which are getting almost no press because the virus thing is taking everyone's attention off other events which could prove very important. I'm not going to say however that I believe another Temple has to be built. What I will say is that a shift in power has been occurring in the Middle East for the past few years with the US taking a back seat to Russia.

If you want to see the Vatican at the head of an international group, I think we have a way to go before that happens. It could happen; and if it does, it could be a response to the increasing power of Russia and China globally. I could also see a Pope organizing countries if their currencies crashed in order to set up a new world currency to counter a Russian or Chinese one.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I am not suggesting rebellion. Certainly not in the name of Christ. I agree with the above verses... It is only common sense to take precautions, and even if we do believe the reaction from governments, the media, and the public is way over the top, not to comply with directives makes one look stupid and selfish.
That said, can you not see how the world is being conditioned to obey without objection? Sure, the causes (9/11, covid 19, terrorism) seem reasonable. But how many of them have been deliberately planted in order to condition mankind to be submissive? Did you know that the modem American education system came from Austria? Did you know that the Austria education system of the early to mid 19th century which was brought to America by the Rockefellers, was designed specifically to make the population more subservient and compliant I'm the wake of war? Previously Austria had been ploughed under by opposing forces and they had had enough. So they changed their form of education to create a people who in warfare would respond without question, and over without argument. Now imagine what that would accomplish in a society without the threat of war? Or at least, without realising they were at war? Look at the current young generation in America. What generation before then we're so willing and so susceptible to believing everything they read and great from the media, without questioning, without investigating the sources, without challenging what they are presented with? Oh, by the way. Who designed the Austria education system in the beginning? The Catholic Church through the Jesuits. Their teachings and form of education was used as the original model.

So, the point? We are fast approaching a time of trouble where a single world religion will establish religious laws that directly impinge on how and who we worship. This will be accomplished by way of deception... There will, like the current crisis, be logical and reasonable cause for doing such a thing, and what do you think will be result?
KJV Revelation 13
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
The vast majority of mankind will welcome the new order with open arms... Because they have been conditioned to meekly "submit to government authorities".

Curious what your take on this is?

Iran Knows Who to Blame for the Virus: America and Israel


A few quotes: As if to follow the dictum never to waste a good crisis, the regime’s ideological army—the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC)—has seized the pandemic as an opportunity to burnish its tarnished image by presenting itself and its Islamist ideology as the nation’s savior.

As news of coronavirus cases in Iran spread, the IRGC quickly developed a narrative for the disease. It portrayed the virus as a conspiracy orchestrated by the United States, in an attempt to rejuvenate the anti-Americanism that lies at the heart of the regime’s ideology. Hossein Salami, the commander of the Guard, has suggested the coronavirus may be an “American biological invasion,” leading some of the regime’s defenders to call for a retaliatory response. Indeed, a deeper look at IRGC-linked communications networks reveals a systematic propaganda campaign to seize the pandemic as an opportunity to vilify not only the United States, but also the regime’s other traditional ideological enemy, Israel, as well.

Conspiracy theories such as these have themselves spread among the leadership like a virus, with figures including President Hassan Rouhani referring to the pandemic as an enemy plot.

Just as the IRGC branded its fighters in Syria as “defenders of the holy Shiite shrines” instead of protectors of Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad, the IRGC now refers to its members as “defenders of health,” with the aim of portraying the organization as the nation’s savior.

The most cynical aspect of the IRGC’s virus-related propaganda has been its blatant attempt to hide the regime’s incompetence at battling the epidemic behind religious rhetoric—by glorifying death from coronavirus as religious martyrdom.

crazy. So not so quick to saddle up with all the conspiracy speculation circulating on every side. Every one having an opinion and cause and belief...of who did it.

 

[Giuliano]

Coronavirus Origins: Covid-19 Wasn't Produced In A Lab, Scientists Conclude - Study Finds

Over the course of this Covid-19 ordeal, a number of outlandish conspiracy theories have emerged that the virus was produced in a Chinese, Canadian, or American lab. Conspiracy theories have become an increasingly common part of everyday life in recent years, but a new study on Covid-19’s origins is disproving this theory. A team of international researchers have concluded that the novel coronavirus has entirely natural origins through evolution.

Public genome sequence data on Covid-19, as well as similar viruses, was extensively analyzed for this study. The results show absolutely no indication that the virus was produced artificially or in a lab setting.

 

[Justadude]

Coronavirus Origins: Covid-19 Wasn't Produced In A Lab, Scientists Conclude - Study Finds

Over the course of this Covid-19 ordeal, a number of outlandish conspiracy theories have emerged that the virus was produced in a Chinese, Canadian, or American lab. Conspiracy theories have become an increasingly common part of everyday life in recent years, but a new study on Covid-19’s origins is disproving this theory. A team of international researchers have concluded that the novel coronavirus has entirely natural origins through evolution.

Public genome sequence data on Covid-19, as well as similar viruses, was extensively analyzed for this study. The results show absolutely no indication that the virus was produced artificially or in a lab setting.

Scientists? Scientists??!! What do they know? This is just proof the conspiracy is working!! ;)

 

[Enoch111]

The results show absolutely no indication that the virus was produced artificially or in a lab setting.

Does anyone know what really happens in China's bio-warfare program? Does anyone really know what happens in China's cyber-warfare program? So the above statement is simply wishful thinking or pure propaganda.

Wuhan Ultra Biohazard Lab Was Studying “The World’s Most Dangerous Pathogens”

As it turns out, it wasn’t a joke, because moments ago it was brought to our attention that in February 2017, Nature penned an extensive profile of what it called the “Chinese lab poised to study world’s most dangerous pathogens.” The location of this BSL-4 rated lab? Why, Wuhan... [Note: Nature is a well-respected science journal]

...The Chinese Academy of Sciences approved the construction of a BSL-4 laboratory in 2003, and the epidemic of SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) around the same time lent the project momentum. The lab was designed and constructed with French assistance as part of a 2004 cooperative agreement on the prevention and control of emerging infectious diseases. But the complexity of the project, China’s lack of experience, difficulty in maintaining funding and long government approval procedures meant that construction wasn’t finished until the end of 2014...

...Below we repost the full Nature article because it strongly hints, without evidence for now, that the coronavirus epidemic may well have been a weaponized virus which “accidentally” escaped the Wuhan biohazard facility....

Wuhan Ultra Biohazard Lab Was Studying “The World’s Most Dangerous Pathogens”

Then we have this:
WHO Claimed In January Wuhan Virus Couldn’t Be Transmitted to Humans, Because China Said It Wasn’t Contagious, Destroyed Evidence
WHO Claimed In January Wuhan Virus Couldn’t Be Transmitted to Humans, Because China Said It Wasn’t Contagious, Destroyed Evidence

 

[Earburner]

Does anyone know what really happens in China's bio-warfare program? Does anyone really know what happens in China's cyber-warfare program? So the above statement is simply wishful thinking or pure propaganda.

Wuhan Ultra Biohazard Lab Was Studying “The World’s Most Dangerous Pathogens”

As it turns out, it wasn’t a joke, because moments ago it was brought to our attention that in February 2017, Nature penned an extensive profile of what it called the “Chinese lab poised to study world’s most dangerous pathogens.” The location of this BSL-4 rated lab? Why, Wuhan... [Note: Nature is a well-respected science journal]

...The Chinese Academy of Sciences approved the construction of a BSL-4 laboratory in 2003, and the epidemic of SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) around the same time lent the project momentum. The lab was designed and constructed with French assistance as part of a 2004 cooperative agreement on the prevention and control of emerging infectious diseases. But the complexity of the project, China’s lack of experience, difficulty in maintaining funding and long government approval procedures meant that construction wasn’t finished until the end of 2014...

...Below we repost the full Nature article because it strongly hints, without evidence for now, that the coronavirus epidemic may well have been a weaponized virus which “accidentally” escaped the Wuhan biohazard facility....

Wuhan Ultra Biohazard Lab Was Studying “The World’s Most Dangerous Pathogens”

Then we have this:
WHO Claimed In January Wuhan Virus Couldn’t Be Transmitted to Humans, Because China Said It Wasn’t Contagious, Destroyed Evidence
WHO Claimed In January Wuhan Virus Couldn’t Be Transmitted to Humans, Because China Said It Wasn’t Contagious, Destroyed Evidence

Again, juggling the details of the origin of the Wuhan virus is not the problem. The issue to solve and accept, is to know whether it was indeed an accident, or that it was planned to be released, but staged to appear as if it was an accident.

 

[Earburner]

Ignore the last part. Just remembered that was @Base12 that spoke about the womb. Don’t know why I get you two mixed up. I’m sorry.

:)

 

[Enoch111]

The issue to solve and accept, is to know whether it was indeed an accident, or that it was planned to be released, but staged to appear as if it was an accident.

And who would solve this when China would never allow any outside investigation into is bio-warfare program? Or allow a phony investigation like Iran did with its nuclear weapons.

China has been assiduously working at world domination for decades, and is ruthless in suppressing dissidents. So this *accident* was actually a blessing in disguise, since the West suddenly woke up and saw that all its pharmaceutical reliance was on China, when that was the last thing that should have happened. The same applied to the trade surpluses with the West (which Trump has been trying to address), with all the jobs and factories having been shipped to China, while feckless Western politicians played political games.

 

[Earburner]

And who would solve this when China would never allow any outside investigation into is bio-warfare program? Or allow a phony investigation like Iran did with its nuclear weapons.

China has been assiduously working at world domination for decades, and is ruthless in suppressing dissidents. So this *accident* was actually a blessing in disguise, since the West suddenly woke up and saw that all its pharmaceutical reliance was on China, when that was the last thing that should have happened. The same applied to the trade surpluses with the West (which Trump has been trying to address), with all the jobs and factories having been shipped to China, while feckless Western politicians played political games.

"Author and now Houseman contend the introduction of China into the global trading system is root cause of the job losses.

Put another way, President Bill Clinton and political leaders who succeeded him accepted the risk that the U.S. would suffer short-term economic harm from opening the U.S. to Chinese exports in hopes of long-run gains of a more stable China.

No longer needing to worry about U.S. tariffs, the Chinese took full advantage. Low Chinese wages and a cheap Chinese currency CNYUSD+0.18% — at a time when the dollar DXY-0.18% was strong — gave China several huge advantages. Companies shuttered operations in the U.S., moved to China and eventually set up research hubs overseas in another blow to the America’s economic leadership.

The cost to the U.S. is still being tallied up."
China really is to blame for millions of lost U.S. manufacturing jobs, new study finds

Makes one wonder why so many US citizen want to vote for any form of "socialism", when the country is a "Republic". For sure it is out of ignorance and short sightedness.

So, who is to blame? "We the people", who vote for a candidate, who is way out of line with what our form of government really is.

 

[Brakelite]

In other words, only end times believers will appreciate the OP. Thus my question, why post in a sub-forum for non-believers?

My friend, the stuff that is taking place all around the world at the present time of not only affecting Christians. There are many many more non Christians dying from the virus than Christians... And there are also some Christians even who like yourself do not believe we are living in the end times. But I'm never one to be target specific when sharing the love of God and telling people that despite the perils taking place all around us, God still loves them and had not forgotten, nor is unprepared for what is happening. In fact, He knew about it as long time ago and warmed is through scripture what to expect. Hence prophecy. Here is a video... Not long... That puts the current situation into perspective and explains in simple layman's terms why the world today is in so much trouble. Trouble even that you may be not discerning yourself, yet is there nevertheless.

 

[Giuliano]

Does anyone know what really happens in China's bio-warfare program? Does anyone really know what happens in China's cyber-warfare program? So the above statement is simply wishful thinking or pure propaganda.

No evidence means no evidence. It is not wishful thinking. It's not spinning crazy conspiracy theories.

Things are unsettled enough as it is. I don't think Trump supporters should be creating theories that alarm people even more. Trump is having enough trouble trying to keep the country calm.

 

[Enoch111]

I don't think Trump supporters should be creating theories that alarm people even more.

"Creating theories that alarm people" is not the same as getting down to facts instead of believing propaganda. Had the mainstream media maintained professionalism at all times, instead of becoming Leftist hacks, we would not be wondering as to what is Fake News and what is not. Now the Western media have willingly (and perhaps for cash) become the mouthpiece of the Communist government of China (just as they had no problem with all the extreme Leftist ideas from the Democrats). They are objecting to *Wuhan virus* and *Chinese virus*, when that is A FACT.

Obviously you are not aware of the timeline of COVID-19. So please read this article since the State Department has put this together.
Here’s A Timeline Of The Coronavirus Outbreak And China’s Coverup
Here’s A Timeline Of The Coronavirus Outbreak And China’s Coverup

Notice "China's coverup".