Coronavirus spreading

[Heart2Soul]

You do realize that when Trump was telling us that everything was "contained", he was telling republican senators that it was going to be really bad, don't you?

In this case, there's a fire that's growing exponentially. Even Trump finally admitted the fact. The media made it impossible for him to deny it.

This is a false statement....another assumption coming from one who is inserting his opinionated conspiracy theory to create more drama and further heighten the panic and fear of those who live their lives listening to doom and gloom forecasters of our society. The weak have every reason to fear because they have no defense other than to rely on political leaders to protect them. But the sensationalism of news media keeps the pot stirred because drama attracts viewers.
You bear false witness against our President and this is an abomination unto God.
Proverbs 6:16-19 lists seven things which are also abominations: "haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are swift in running to mischief, a false witness who utters lies, and one who spreads strife among brothers."

Such behavior is expected of non-christian people but you claim to be a Christian and your words contradict what you claim to be.
Now, to be honest and fair, I have been guilty of the same thing. Got called out for it, repented and asked for forgiveness. So I humbly call you out on this error in your thinking and pray you will consider repenting and asking His forgiveness.

 

[Yehren]

Trump is chewing the rug over the bailout package, but he can't do anything about it:

Chuck Schumer made sure businesses controlled by Trump, his family, and top US officials couldn't get money from the government's $2 trillion coronavirus bailout fund

• Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer secured a condition in the government's $2 trillion coronavirus stimulus package that would bar President Donald Trump's businesses from receiving money.
• Under the proviso, businesses owned by members of Congress, Vice President Mike Pence, and top members of the executive branch would also be excluded from the bailout.
• Trump owns a string of high-end hotels and golf resorts, several of which have been shuttered during the pandemic.
• The aid package, agreed on by the White House and the Senate early Wednesday, would provide assistance to Americans and businesses struggling during a sharp economic downturn.

Chuck Schumer made sure businesses controlled by Trump, his family, and top US officials couldn't get money from the government's $2 trillion coronavirus bailout fund

McConnell is facing a tough election as his numbers are falling, and with public outrage growing over senators selling off stock when they were told the truth about the pandemic at the same time Trump was lying to us about it, he decided this wasn't a hill he was willing to die on. So ordinary Americans and small businesses will be helped, but the swamp dwellers get nothing.

 

[Yehren]

The claim: The coronavirus would weaken “when we get into April, in the warmer weather—that has a very negative effect on that, and that type of a virus.”

Ok, I'm just going to deal with the first so many of these because this is just stupid.

How do you know this is a lie? We aren't in April yet.

That's how we know he was lying. No one knows for sure yet. But he told us it would happen.

The truth: It’s too early to tell if the virus’s spread will be dampened by warmer conditions. Respiratory viruses can be seasonal, but the World Health Organization says that the new coronavirus “can be transmitted in ALL AREAS, including areas with hot and humid weather.”

April, I'll come back and let you know how it worked, O.K.?

The claim: The outbreak would be temporary: “It’s going to disappear. One day it’s like a miracle—it will disappear.”

Again, how do you know this is a lie?

The truth: Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, warned days later that he was concerned that “as the next week or two or three go by, we’re going to see a lot more community-related cases.”

It's not how epidemics go. They rise exponentially, plateau for a bit, and then fall to very low levels.

The claim: If the economic shutdown continues, deaths by suicide “definitely would be in far greater numbers than the numbers that we’re talking about” for COVID-19 deaths.

Again, how do you know this is a lie? We already have a staggering amount of suicide in this country and who is to say it will not get higher?

There are about 123 suicides per day in the United States. COVID-19 is killing about 9 times that many people each day.
The truth: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that, in a worst-case scenario, 200,000 to 1.7 million Americans could die from COVID-19, The New York Times reports. Other estimates place the number of possible deaths at 1.1 million to 1.2 million. According to the CDC, suicide is one of the leading causes of death in the United States. But the number of people who died by suicide in 2017, for example, was roughly 47,000—nowhere near the COVID-19 estimates.

The claim: The Trump White House rolled back Food and Drug Administration regulations that limited the kind of laboratory tests states could run and how they could conduct them. “The Obama administration made a decision on testing that turned out to be very detrimental to what we’re doing,” Trump said.

How is this a lie?

The truth: The Obama administration drafted, but never implemented, changes to rules that regulate laboratory tests run by states. Trump’s policy change relaxed an FDA requirement that would have forced private labs to wait for FDA authorization to conduct their own, non-CDC-approved coronavirus tests.

He lied. It never happened. But he did it.

The claim: The Obama White House’s response to the H1N1 pandemic was “a full scale disaster, with thousands dying, and nothing meaningful done to fix the testing problem, until now.”

How is this a lie?

The truth: Barack Obama declared a public-health emergency two weeks after the first U.S. cases of H1N1 were reported, in California. (Trump declared a national emergency more than seven weeks after the first domestic COVID-19 case was reported, in Washington State.) While testing is a problem now, it wasn’t back in 2009. The challenge then was vaccine development: Production was delayed and the vaccine wasn’t distributed until the outbreak was already waning.

As usual, Trump just made up a story that had nothing whatever to do with reality.

The claim: “Anybody that needs a test, gets a test. We—they’re there. They have the tests. And the tests are beautiful.”

How is this a lie? It does not say anyone that WANTS a test, it says anyone that needs one. And on March 6th, when the statement was made, that was absolutely true.

The truth: The country’s testing capabilities are severely limited. Many states have experienced a lack of testing kits, as my colleagues Alexis Madrigal and Robinson Meyer have reported. Trump made this claim one day after his own vice president, Mike Pence, admitted that “we don’t have enough tests today to meet what we anticipate will be the demand going forward.”

Even his vice president denied his claim.

The claim: In an Oval Office address, Trump said that private health-insurance companies had “agreed to waive all co-payments for coronavirus treatments, extend insurance coverage to these treatments, and to prevent surprise medical billing.”
Read: The dangerous delays in U.S. coronavirus testing haven’t stopped

This is what they had talked about, but yes, and agreement overall was not reached on certain portions of this.

Yep. He shouldn't have lied about it. Or, if he didn't know, he shouldn't have made up a story to cover. Lie, either way.

The claim: Google engineers are building a website to help Americans determine whether they need testing for the coronavirus and to direct them to their nearest testing site.

This is not a lie.

It's a lie:
The truth: The announcement was news to Google itself—the website Trump (and other administration officials) described was actually being built by Verily, a division of Alphabet, the parent company of Google. The Verge first reported on Trump’s error, citing a Google representative who confirmed that Verily was working on a “triage website” with limited coverage for the San Francisco Bay Area. But since then, Google has pivoted to fulfill Trump’s public proclamation, saying it would speed up the development of a new, separate website while Verily worked on finishing its project, The Washington Post reported.

Trump habitually reconstructs reality to fit his imagination, and then announces it as if it were true. This is just one of many.

 

[Yehren]

You could start by turning from your prejudice and double-minded judgement. And if you are a sinner as you say, know that judgement has not been given to you, not yet.

You'd probably do better if you focused on making a cogent argument, instead of venting and calling names. We are all sinners, every one of us. And what judgement God gives us we should use wisely.

You could do that, too. Work on it.

 

[Yehren]

This virus is difficult to treat because it has tiny hooks that it uses to attach itself to the air sacs in your lungs.

Pretty close. It has molecules on its surface that connect to molecules on the surface of cells in your lungs. That's how the virus DNA gets into the cell, hijacks the cell's protein-building network, and make many copies of the virus. The cell dies, breaks apart, and the virus particles spill out to find more cells.

 

[XRose]

The shutting down of businesses in many countries will almost surely lead to deaths, perhaps more than if they did nothing. I heard a woman talking last week to the BBC on her phone saying she had enough food to last until Friday. A man who made a living buying produce to sell couldn't travel to buy produce, so he was also out of a job.

There is no limit on travel for food producers and retailers and in my city a street vendor has his large stall full of fruit and veg as usual.
Many who complain and will die are those who have neglected their health and now have diabetes, COPD, asthma, obesity and other self-afflictions.

 

[XRose]

You'd probably do better if you focused on making a cogent argument, instead of venting and calling names. We are all sinners, every one of us. And what judgement God gives us we should use wisely.

You could do that, too. Work on it.

I'm still waiting for you to correct your lies about fossils and try understand how worms prove Earth is young and not thebillions of years you prattle it is.

 

[Yehren]

You'd probably do better if you focused on making a cogent argument, instead of venting and calling names. We are all sinners, every one of us. And what judgement God gives us we should use wisely.

You could do that, too. Work on it.

I'm still waiting for you to correct your lies about fossils

I suppose it was a bit of a shock to learn that fossil coelacanths are very different from the evolved modern ones. But that's the reality. Find a way to live with it.

and try understand how worms prove Earth is young

As you learned, your error was in imagining that soil does not erode. River deltas contain huge amounts of soil, washed down from topsoil over continents.

Calm yourself, try to get a reasonable argument together, and don't let your temper lead you around. You'll do better, I promise.

 

[ScottA]

You'd probably do better if you focused on making a cogent argument, instead of venting and calling names. We are all sinners, every one of us. And what judgement God gives us we should use wisely.

You could do that, too. Work on it.

That is NOT biblical. Stop giving advise about what you do not know.

And...I didn't call any names. That was you.

 

[XRose]

You'd probably do better if you focused on making a cogent argument instead of parroting nonsense.
Calm yourself, and don't let your childish ideas lead you around. Grow up and do some real thinking. You'll do better, I promise.

But how could there be rivers without rain?
Those worms sure got you baffled don't they?

 

[Yehren]

But how could there be rivers without rain?

Genesis 2:10 And a river went out of the place of pleasure to water paradise, which from thence is divided into four heads.

You seem to be arguing with yourself, now. God indicates that erosion was working, even in Eden. Maybe you should back it up a bit, and rethink your argument?

 

[Heart2Soul]

Genesis 2:10 And a river went out of the place of pleasure to water paradise, which from thence is divided into four heads.

You seem to be arguing with yourself, now. God indicates that erosion was working, even in Eden. Maybe you should back it up a bit, and rethink your argument?

Well there are numerous underground streams that surface in some areas and flow downstream....all rivers empty into the ocean.....I suspect there is a constant flow circulating from the ocean in underground streams and rivers flowing upland and then flowing back downstream on the surface through rivers.
There are some natural water falls that come straight out of the mountain side...no lake to feed it.

 

[Yehren]

You'd probably do better if you focused on making a cogent argument, instead of venting and calling names.

That is NOT biblical.

Proverbs 16:23 The heart of the wise shall instruct his mouth: and shall add grace to his lips.

 

[Seasoned by Grace]

Is any of this talk really getting you guys anywhere or solving the coronavirus pandemic issues in your minds, or are you just stuck at home bored without anything else productive to do??

 

[Yehren]

Well there a numerous underground streams that surface in some areas and flow downstream....

What you say is true. Almost everywhere. They aren't streams, exactly. They are the water table.
Water table - Wikipedia

all rivers empty into the ocean.....I suspect there is a constant flow circulating from the ocean in underground streams and rivers upland and the flowing back downstream on the surface through rivers.

No. Water does not run uphill.

 

[Heart2Soul]

Is any of this talk really getting you guys anywhere or solving the coronavirus pandemic issues in your minds, or are you just stuck at home bored without anything else productive to do??

Bored....I personally am not going to solve the coronavirus issues.....I just give it to God and put all my trust and faith in Him.

 

[Yehren]

Is any of this talk really getting you guys anywhere or solving the coronavirus pandemic issues in your minds, or are you just stuck at home bored without anything else productive to do??

I'm finding it fascinating. I had no idea people believed those things. But yes, I probably shouldn't have responded. I'll stop now.

 

[Yehren]

Deaths continuing to accelerate, as are new cases. No end in sight.

 

[Heart2Soul]

What you say is true. Almost everywhere. They aren't streams, exactly. They are the water table.
Water table - Wikipedia



No. Water does not run uphill.

Lol....perhaps there is pressure and gasses that move it upward. Water will travel along the path of least resistance...so maybe there are geographical formations to allow it.

 

[Heart2Soul]

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Deaths continuing to accelerate, as are new cases. No end in sight.

China and Italy have the largest number of deaths. Italy's was due to improper containment procedures and poor hygiene. China had to go there and educate them on how to quarantine and establish control tactics such as shutting down public places.