Confusion

[FHII]

Yes, God is not the author of confusion. Now he is of calamnity, evil, confoundedness, division and blindness in other parts of the Bible. But shall we let that go for now?

But he is the author of peace in this verse. As in all the Churches of the saints. So which of us aren't saints? Would you like to point out whom?

It may absolutely be true that God isn't involved with the convesations, but I believe he is concerned and pleased with us searching for the truth in such matters.

I spend much time seeking out scripture and history when I discuss or debate. I'd like to think my opponents do so also.

Do ypu think that learning and reseaeching Him doesn't please him? Personakly I believe it does.

 

[Enoch111]

...because everybody on this forum believes that they believe is right, even if it's not supported by the scriptures

Including yourself. To say that none of the views expressed are supported by Scripture is to make a false accusation. What are you going to do with that?

 

[Willie T]

I'm not going to get into that, because everybody on this forum believes that they believe is right, even if it's not supported by the scriptures. I'm only stating what the scripture say, take it or leave it.

It would be an engagement in insanity to hold views you think are not true. And most beliefs are backed by Scripture that each individual believer has determined are real and true as they interpret them.... and every single one of us interprets Scripture through their own eyes (Yes, even Catholics, though they will deny it. :))

 

[aspen]

I have a Question? If you receive a Letter from a friend, and when you open that Letter, do you turn to page three and read one and a half paragraphs and draw a conclusion to the jest of the Letter!

Honestly?

 

[Philip James]

I spend much time seeking out scripture and history when I discuss or debate. I'd like to think my opponents do so also

As iron sharpens iron, so man sharpens his fellow man

Peace!

 

[Philip James]

and every single one of us interprets Scripture through their own eyes (Yes, even Catholics, though they will deny it. :))

Why would we deny that? We simply check our understanding against that of our brethren from the last 2000 years ;)

 

[verzanumi24]

It would be an engagement in insanity to hold views you think are not true. And most beliefs are backed by Scripture that each individual believer has determined are real and true as they interpret them.... and every single one of us interprets Scripture through their own eyes (Yes, even Catholics, though they will deny it. :))

But that's not taught in the Bible. Confusion comes when people have differing beliefs. As Paul asked, Is Christ divided?(1 Corinthians 1:13) No He is not. So as I said before, all the confusion of belief is not of God.....He has no part in it and one only fool themselves if they believe God is.

 

[verzanumi24]

Including yourself. To say that none of the views expressed are supported by Scripture is to make a false accusation. What are you going to do with that?

I simply said that God is not involved in the confusion, but satan is.

 

[verzanumi24]

Verzanumi, you are making it sound as if we have no spiritual enemy! Do you want me to show you passages about how the Devil comes immediately to steal the word away, or how he hinders the gospel from being preached at every turn? What on earth are you expecting? Peace and harmony from everyone who simply names the name of Christ? You act as if you were oblivious to the fact that there are those who can refer to themselves as Christians yet give themselves to the Devil's use. Do you want scriptures for this? :

I would 1) like to know who is satan stealing the gospel from on this forum? 2) or how many people on this forum are unbelievers? Or 3) who are you trying to preach the gospel to? If study the Bible you will see that whatever issues the Church had, it was addressed and not ignored, and when it was addressed, those who heard it were receptive to the correction, which is not common among christians today.

 

[verzanumi24]

I have a Question? If you receive a Letter from a friend, and when you open that Letter, do you turn to page three and read one and a half paragraphs and draw a conclusion to the jest of the Letter!

I know what the scriptures say. But the fact still is, God is not involved in confusion. What goes on here may not seem like confusion to you, but it is.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I simply said that God is not involved in the confusion, but satan is.

Is it possible God allows confusion and division to bring down anything that is not of God until: 1 Corinthians 15:28
[28] And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

 

[verzanumi24]

This verse is about the gift of speaking in the holy tongue's and Prophesy, and Interpretation of the gift's, what dose this have to do with what other's on any forum, Think, or their Opinion's. Your Avatar read's an Advanced Member, you have been here a long time, and now you are trying to say that everyone on this Forum is in a state of Confusion, there are 41,000 different denomination's and God only knows how many different Doctrine's, so each and everyone try's to give their take according to their teaching's. As an Advanced Member why would take a statement from Paul, about the Gift's and try to use it to relate to how people present their Opinion's! Totally out of Context, IMO
Paul is speaking to the confusion within the Operation of the Gift's

Confusion is still confusion regardless of the form it comes in, which should have been very clear in that verse.

 

[verzanumi24]

Is it possible God allows confusion and division to bring down anything that is not of God until: 1 Corinthians 15:28
[28] And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Well, that means God is going to bring down this and all forums like this one. But God doesn't have to do that for me to know that He's not a part of this forum, because the scripture makes it clear that He is not divided. Harsh words, I know, but the truth is the truth.

 

[verzanumi24]

As iron sharpens iron, so man sharpens his fellow man

Peace!

When iron sharpens iron, it means that one iron is doing the sharpening and the other is being sharpened. The iron being sharpened don't resist. On forums like this, that's not what happens.....at the end of it, everybody still maintains their own personal belief.

 

[Hidden In Him]

I would 1) like to know who is satan stealing the gospel from on this forum?

For starters, those who logged on to the Forum curious about Christianity but saw the bickering and infighting and because they did not have any backbone for handling it just decided to leave. You alluded to this yourself (see Post #9).

or how many people on this forum are unbelievers?

Probably not many, because of the above reasons.

who are you trying to preach the gospel to?

I'm not trying to preach the gospel here. I'm in fellowship with other believers here. Am I trying to instruct others in the word? Most certainly, Yes. And that applies to anyone who reads my posts.

If study the Bible you will see that whatever issues the Church had, it was addressed and not ignored, and when it was addressed, those who heard it were receptive to the correction, which is not common among christians today.

I have addressed some issues very sternly on this forum already, and I've been here only a short time. But I am not in charge of something like excommunication. That is more of a moderator or staff member role. I have noticed that they have shut down certain forums because they were becoming too divisive.

You still seem to be under this impression that the enemy cannot use anyone who names the name of Christ. Is this true or no?

 

[Hidden In Him]

at the end of it, everybody still maintains their own personal belief.

Not always. I have seen many people admit to being taught things on Forums that they didn't know before, and I've also seen some people outright change their positions on a subject thanks to someone's post.

But that requires the humility to admit to occasionally being wrong, and it's fairly rare.

 

[Hidden In Him]

I know what the scriptures say. But the fact still is, God is not involved in confusion. What goes on here may not seem like confusion to you, but it is.

Let me ask you something: You have 740 posts. That means you've been here awhile. Why all the concern now? Have things gotten more divisive lately that it has become a bigger issue?

 

[Truth]

Honestly?

The four Gospels are witness to our Savior's Ministry, So they are basically book's Right! so do we read them from the middle or do we read them from start to finish, to gain understanding! The same goes with the Epistles, They are letters to certain groups in different places, they should be read from beginning to end to get the whole picture, there are to many Doctrine's that are a product of taking Scripture out of context, and or sticking a scripture from here and one form there and establishing a so called truth! What Men Think!

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Well, that means God is going to bring down this and all forums like this one. But God doesn't have to do that for me to know that He's not a part of this forum, because the scripture makes it clear that He is not divided. Harsh words, I know, but the truth is the truth.

How can darkness be divided without the presence of light? How can you say for certainty there is no peace here? Only division? If you feel led to leave though, then leave. There has been days where I felt the same. But I have learned a lot here that I would not have been shown otherwise.

 

[verzanumi24]

How can darkness be divided without the presence of light? How can you say for certainty there is no peace here? Only division? If you feel led to leave though, then leave. There has been days where I felt the same. But I have learned a lot here that I would not have been shown otherwise.

Light and darkness don't occupy the same space, that's how I know.