Churches are failing as we all know.

[Ronald Nolette]

They better hurry then, this system is almost done. Spiritual Israel will be saved.

Well it will take place at the end of the 7 year tribulation. And yes spiritual Israel will be saved which are born again Jews, but all the surviving Israelites (which th ebible says will be 1/3 that enter into teh tribulation) will be saved as well. I posted the four major verses that sahow that.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Would you mind listing me some of those well known spirit filled churches you speak about .
Some of us do have fellowship . But i am curious
as to what you think about particular churches . say those who follow the nar leaders , or emergent ,
those trying to bring us back into unity with the CC . What do you think about such churches .
For example what do you say about the prosperity gospel and leaders that teach that .
Do you know of any well known mainstream churches that are okay . i aint talking about the many churches
i mean the more well known ones .

I can't speak to every single assembly out there. I do know that many churches have gone apostate and I do not say to fellowship with them. but in every area of America, God still has faithful churches. Are they perfect? NO! Will you agree with everything they teach? Probably not! but they are there! It is your job and command to obey to find one to be in. Otherwise you cannot be effective in the kingdom and you will not mature.

I lived in dead New England and knew of dozens of believing churches. I now live in South Carolina and have believing churches like grapevine filled with clusters of grapes around me. they are there- do your job and find the one God has called you to be part of.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Brother @amigo de christo is spotted.

Let's all pray that the Lord will deliver Brother @amigo de christo from having these spots!

 

[Dan Clarkston]

People sit in churches and listen to a preacher, but are too lazy to STUDY the Bible at home. Satan loves that! They don't even know this is in the Bible!

They are being taught the false doctrines of so called "once saved, always saved" where they go down front and mumble a few words to the pastor to be saved and are told it matters not how they live afterward and that they cannot lose their salvation by living like the devil.

And so most continue living like the devil based on the false doctrine they have been taught which is why very few bother to study the Word of God at all.

 

[Keiw]

Well it will take place at the end of the 7 year tribulation. And yes spiritual Israel will be saved which are born again Jews, but all the surviving Israelites (which th ebible says will be 1/3 that enter into teh tribulation) will be saved as well. I posted the four major verses that sahow that.

There is no where it says the trib lasts7 years. Israel as we speak shows 100% they do not listen( return evil for evil to no one) to Jesus nor have they ever.

 

[Jack]

There is no where it says the trib lasts7 years. Israel as we speak shows 100% they do not listen( return evil for evil to no one) to Jesus nor have they ever.

Who told you that? Satan's WitchTower maybe?

 

[TigersPaw]

People sit in churches and listen to a preacher, but are too lazy to STUDY the Bible at home. Satan loves that! They don't even know this is in the Bible!

2 Corinthians 11:14-15 Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness,

I feel that being a Christian is not the same as being a Christ Follower.
I feel as well we miss the teachings, because we focus only on sin and not on his love and grace.
Therefore we go out and strike against sinners. Ignoring that sinners come to Christ looking for his love and Grace.
And Christ is not looking for sinners. He is reaching out to those wanting to be saved.

 

[ScottA]

Churches are failing as we all know. When it comes to Christianity why are churches the last 10 years failing?

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There are several factors contributing to the struggles and decline of many churches over the past decade. While each church and community is unique, common themes emerge across regions and denominations. Here are some of the key reasons why churches have been facing challenges recently, particularly in the Western world:​

1. Cultural Shifts and Secularization...​

For the most part, those are only the signs or symptoms of the greater, foretold biblical problem:

The church(es), indeed, God's people, even the Pharisees had "good" intentions. However, during the Church age it is written that the believing of a "lie" would enter into the church by "false teachers", even evident from the beginning. There have been many attempts to break from it all: notably, the Protestant movement, and also the Evangelical movement. Unfortunately, there have been few clean breaks, and the attempts to change were simply a different attempt grown out of the same corrupt foundation.

The end of such foretold "strong delusion" and "great apostacy" is also foretold, although most have not anticipated it and therefore only doubled down on the false teachings. Even so, the end was foretold...and now has come while many are unaware, as was also foretold. The end of the delusions and false teaching was to come (and has come) as foretold in the book of Revelation when "the mystery of God would be finished as He declared to His servants the prophets" (meaning: it would all be fully known and revealed) in the little book previewed by the apostle John, then sealed until a time just before the end. This is that time.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

There is no where it says the trib lasts7 years. Israel as we speak shows 100% they do not listen( return evil for evil to no one) to Jesus nor have they ever.

Their has always been a remnant of faithful Israelites and there will always be one. As for the trib lasting 7 years ? daniel 9 shows us the week of the 70 weeks is to come and that means 7 years.

Israel as a nation will be saved as I have posted the verses several times on this thread.

Also Israel as a nation is in unbelief. that also was prophesied and their regathering is taking place as prophesied to pass under the rod of Gods Judgment so God will force them into the bond of the New covenant as prophesied and promised!

 

[Keiw]

Their has always been a remnant of faithful Israelites and there will always be one. As for the trib lasting 7 years ? daniel 9 shows us the week of the 70 weeks is to come and that means 7 years.

Israel as a nation will be saved as I have posted the verses several times on this thread.

Also Israel as a nation is in unbelief. that also was prophesied and their regathering is taking place as prophesied to pass under the rod of Gods Judgment so God will force them into the bond of the New covenant as prophesied and promised!

That says those weeks concern the Messiah= way back then, not the tribulation.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

That says those weeks concern the Messiah= way back then, not the tribulation.

Wrong they concern Israel!

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Jesus is part of the things concerning Israel!

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

the he here is the antichrist. He makes a covenant with Israel for 7 years. Halfway through he ends the sacrifices in the temple .see also :
2 Thessalonians 2:4
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

And this takes place in the middle of the tribulation:

MATT> 24:

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Revelation 12

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12 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

 

[Keiw]

Wrong they concern Israel!

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Jesus is part of the things concerning Israel!

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

the he here is the antichrist. He makes a covenant with Israel for 7 years. Halfway through he ends the sacrifices in the temple .see also :
2 Thessalonians 2:4
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

And this takes place in the middle of the tribulation:

MATT> 24:

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Revelation 12​

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12 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

There isn't a literal man antichrist coming. The darkness teaches that. 1John 2:18--warns the antichrist is coming, then says many antichrists have already come--means its not a man just like the many were not a man.
Revelation says its the number of a man--NUMBER is the key word not man. That number is 666-means the following.
In the numbers of men 7 = complete-thus Gods kingdom = 7, it will completely fix all of mankind's woes forever.
3 things in the powers positions on earth today, all dealing with huge amounts of $$$$=corrupt to the core.
1) govts-6
2) false religions-6
3)the commercial system-6------- All 3 making promises of better things for mankind, but what they accomplish is division, hatred, war, selling us cancer and things that are destroying Gods earth making mankind's woes worse year after year.
That is reality.
6 falls short of complete(7)=the number of a man.

 

[Keiw]

Their has always been a remnant of faithful Israelites and there will always be one. As for the trib lasting 7 years ? daniel 9 shows us the week of the 70 weeks is to come and that means 7 years.

Israel as a nation will be saved as I have posted the verses several times on this thread.

Also Israel as a nation is in unbelief. that also was prophesied and their regathering is taking place as prophesied to pass under the rod of Gods Judgment so God will force them into the bond of the New covenant as prophesied and promised!

Israel has been antichrist since Jesus was on earth. You think they will just turn on a dime= never.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

There isn't a literal man antichrist coming. The darkness teaches that. 1John 2:18--warns the antichrist is coming, then says many antichrists have already come--means its not a man just like the many were not a man.
Revelation says its the number of a man--NUMBER is the key word not man. That number is 666-means the following.
In the numbers of men 7 = complete-thus Gods kingdom = 7, it will completely fix all of mankind's woes forever.
3 things in the powers positions on earth today, all dealing with huge amounts of $$$$=corrupt to the core.
1) govts-6
2) false religions-6
3)the commercial system-6------- All 3 making promises of better things for mankind, but what they accomplish is division, hatred, war, selling us cancer and things that are destroying Gods earth making mankind's woes worse year after year.
That is reality.
6 falls short of complete(7)=the number of a man.

YOu can think what you want. But in quoting rev. you give your own answer- it is a number of a man, not men.

JOhn made a disticntion between teh antichrist and the many antichrists around.

Many are antichrist (against Christ) but there is one ANTICHRIST. The Bible clearly shows that.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Israel has been antichrist since Jesus was on earth. You think they will just turn on a dime= never.

YOu need to read your bible more.

Romans 9

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9 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.
3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

Romans 11

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11 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,
3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Romans 11:25-29

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25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Jeremiah 31:33-37

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33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
35 Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name:
36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
37 Thus saith the Lord; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the Lord.

Ezekiel 20:33-38

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33 As I live, saith the Lord God, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you:
34 And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.
35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.
36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord God.
37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:
38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

 

[Keiw]

YOu can think what you want. But in quoting rev. you give your own answer- it is a number of a man, not men.

JOhn made a disticntion between teh antichrist and the many antichrists around.

Many are antichrist (against Christ) but there is one ANTICHRIST. The Bible clearly shows that.

You are being mislead

 

[Keiw]

YOu need to read your bible more.

Romans 9​

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9 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.
3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

Romans 11​

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King James Version​

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11 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,
3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Romans 11:25-29​

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King James Version​

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25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Jeremiah 31:33-37​

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King James Version​

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33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
35 Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name:
36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
37 Thus saith the Lord; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the Lord.

Ezekiel 20:33-38​

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King James Version​

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33 As I live, saith the Lord God, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you:
34 And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.
35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.
36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord God.
37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:
38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

Well time is running out, and to this day have failed 100% to do Matt 23:39--They have had over 1975 years--they will never do Matt 23:39--Spiritual Israel is now Gods chosen.

 

[amigo de christo]

Well time is running out, and to this day have failed 100% to do Matt 23:39--They have had over 1975 years--they will never do Matt 23:39--Spiritual Israel is now Gods chosen.

They are not all of ISRAEL who are of israel . You right my friend . that place is still in bondage
and its jersualem still in bondage . THE JERSUALEM OF GOD IS ABOVE wherein the TEMPLE IS GOD and THE LAMB .
TO the trenches for we are in a final hours battle wherein all things are hitting the great climatic hour
it was foretold would come to pass right at THE END .

 

[amigo de christo]

You are being mislead

Even as you heard that it should come into the world , Even now it is . THIS IS THAT WHICH IS OF ANTI CHRIST
and has long been at work through many anti christs who do its bidding and work in its earthen kingdom .
THIS is that which YE heard should come , EVEN NOW IS IT IN THE WORLD . JOHN wrote that .
THE mystery of inquity and he who letts is HAS LONG been at work .
And now in this last hour the inquity has hit so full and the delusion to gather one to merge as one people
is taking many captive to perdition .

 

[amigo de christo]

You are being mislead

eathern israel and the kingdoms of the earth are well now under the sway of that which is of anti christ .
IT WILL MERGE this peoples of all religoins to be as one and the center of its tower will be earthen jersualem .
INTERFAITH . INTERFAITH IS ITS GLUE by which to bind the lost to merge as one . all the false religoins
all unbelievers will merge under its lie and its shade of what they beleive will usher them INTO WORLD PEACE N SAFETY .
The only thing that lie is gonna usher in , IS SUDDEN DESTRUCTION from above
and on HIGH from the GOD and HIS CHRIST WHO IT DENIED . The hour draws nigh and the end of all
things that was foretold is at hand and as it was written so shall it come to pass . IT IS . RIGHT NOW
its passing right in front of faces , NEVER so clear has it been , AND YET EYES are SO BLINDED
and a love for a lie has become their god . many are not gonna make it my friend .
But the lambs , WILL and SHALL HEED ONLY the voice of the SHEPARD
and though many suffer and many die , THEY BE FAITHFUL EVEN UNTO death . This hour draws late
that which is of anti christ and has been at work HAS LEAVEND UP BIG TIME .