Church of England cancels the word church
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amigo de christo
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Churches are tanking faster and faster . Hold to the biblcal truth dear Debp , that is what we gonna do .
Wokism runs amuck my dear friend . they think they woke but they have not heeded
the call AWAKE thou who sleepest and Christ shall give thee light . rather its a delusion they heeding my friend
and thinking they woken up .
Wokism runs amuck my dear friend . they think they woke but they have not heeded
the call AWAKE thou who sleepest and Christ shall give thee light . rather its a delusion they heeding my friend
and thinking they woken up .
amigo de christo
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i amost thought it was the roman catholic church when i see the pope look a like .
But they all going all inclusive .
The very thing i been warning agianst for many many years now . The delusion of the all incluision .
INCLUSIVE .
But bring a bible into said churches and expose certain errors and sins , see how well that gets tolerated .
amigo de christo
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Our dear sister knows about this stuff . the church down the road IS HUGE on all inclusive . and
pretty darn big about hating biblical doctrine too . Rather odd
they longer they stay under this inclusive love junk the more they hate TRUTH . but belive they serve GOD .
its not looking good debp . not at all in these last hours .
But we were warned about a massive falling away and a strong delusion .
amigo de christo
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Debp, LIFT THEM hands up , It is LORD praising time in the building my friend .
The article below is from Christian news in the U.K. …..it gives more context to what has been reported and , like most things, been misunderstood. I don’t really follow the Church of England.
There were other sources for the real story but I couldn’t get them to copy and paste ……..
“The Church of England has described as "nonsense" reports that it has plans to drop the word ‘church’.
It was responding to an independent report by the Centre for Church Planting Theology and Research at Cranmer Hall, Durham entitled ‘New Things: A Theological Investigation into the Work of Starting New Churches Across 11 Dioceses in the Church of England’.
The report found that around 900 “new things” have been started in the past decade, with none of the eleven dioceses using “church” as the primary descriptor.
Report author Rev Will Foulger, Vicar of St Nicholas’s, Durham said it raised concerns about the impact of “new ecclesial language” on the Church of England’s theology.
However in a statement to Premier a Church of England spokesperson said:
“It is complete nonsense to suggest that the Church of England has plans to drop the word ‘church’ or that it is rebranding itself.
“This claim seems to have stemmed from a recent report from an external body looking at new initiatives mostly created by parish churches – ranging from new youth groups or sport outreaches, right up to new congregations, with some of these not meeting in a church building - and noted that they do not always refer to what is happening as new churches but are using a variety of terms.
“Some people have claimed this means the Church of England has plans to drop the word ‘church’ or is rebranding itself. It does not.”
There were other sources for the real story but I couldn’t get them to copy and paste ……..
“The Church of England has described as "nonsense" reports that it has plans to drop the word ‘church’.
It was responding to an independent report by the Centre for Church Planting Theology and Research at Cranmer Hall, Durham entitled ‘New Things: A Theological Investigation into the Work of Starting New Churches Across 11 Dioceses in the Church of England’.
The report found that around 900 “new things” have been started in the past decade, with none of the eleven dioceses using “church” as the primary descriptor.
Report author Rev Will Foulger, Vicar of St Nicholas’s, Durham said it raised concerns about the impact of “new ecclesial language” on the Church of England’s theology.
However in a statement to Premier a Church of England spokesperson said:
“It is complete nonsense to suggest that the Church of England has plans to drop the word ‘church’ or that it is rebranding itself.
“This claim seems to have stemmed from a recent report from an external body looking at new initiatives mostly created by parish churches – ranging from new youth groups or sport outreaches, right up to new congregations, with some of these not meeting in a church building - and noted that they do not always refer to what is happening as new churches but are using a variety of terms.
“Some people have claimed this means the Church of England has plans to drop the word ‘church’ or is rebranding itself. It does not.”
I kind of see why some outreach activities ect were worded differently, and it’s nothing to do with being woke or causing offence ect. As soon as you mention ‘ church ‘ in any activity it does seem to put some people off of going along. ‘ Church ‘ does communicate different things to different people but to many non believers it can mean ‘ boring ‘ ‘ religion ‘ ect
I am no longer part of a church as such, but when I was I often felt that outreach should begin in the community through natural witness and ordinary activities, my ex would seldom go along to a ‘ church ‘ event, but was open to go along to ‘ housegroups ‘ where it was just families getting together over a barbecue or bring and share lunch. It paved the way for all kinds of conversations.
I am no longer part of a church as such, but when I was I often felt that outreach should begin in the community through natural witness and ordinary activities, my ex would seldom go along to a ‘ church ‘ event, but was open to go along to ‘ housegroups ‘ where it was just families getting together over a barbecue or bring and share lunch. It paved the way for all kinds of conversations.
Deborah_
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It's not just the Church of England. There's a growing tendency to describe the building where a church meets not as a "church" but as a "Christian centre". Which is Biblical, actually, because the church is really the people, not the building.
And let's not forget that the word translated as "church" in our New Testaments is a perfectly ordinary Greek word (ekklesia) that actually means "gathered community". (It's used in Acts 19 for the rioting mob that gathered in the theatre in Ephesus)
And let's not forget that the word translated as "church" in our New Testaments is a perfectly ordinary Greek word (ekklesia) that actually means "gathered community". (It's used in Acts 19 for the rioting mob that gathered in the theatre in Ephesus)
Cancel it, no big loss; it's a mistranslation anyway. The Greek ekklesia means "a called-out assembly." The Old English word from which we get "church," circe, means "house of the Lord"; and this is precisely how it is used by 99% of the Christian world. Cancel "curch?" Yeah, good riddance.
Rockerduck
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Last Sunday, I preached on the downfall of the Church. I haven't seen a new church built with a Cross on the front, like the churches in the 1800's with Jesus Saves on the steeple. It is also weird to me that fewer and fewer people are carrying bibles. They use their phone with the bible app. But really, are they embarrassed to carry a bible now. How many talk about Jesus in a public place now. I remember a time when it was normal. I remember when towns would shut down at 12pm on Wednesday to go to prayer meeting.
I must admit I don’t carry a Bible with me if I go away ect, I have a couple on my kindle. It’s not about being ashamed, it’s Just about having access to the word in different formats.
Personally I am not a fan of the old churches ( buildings ) to me they were places people went because they felt they had to go to on a Sunday ( it didn’t really matter how they lived their lives outside of that day ) It was normal in Victorian times for people to go , it wasn’t based on faith. It became a tradition.
I was made to go to church when I was younger, because I was part of the girl guides and brownies - the rest of my family only went for weddings and funerals.
Personally I am not a fan of the old churches ( buildings ) to me they were places people went because they felt they had to go to on a Sunday ( it didn’t really matter how they lived their lives outside of that day ) It was normal in Victorian times for people to go , it wasn’t based on faith. It became a tradition.
I was made to go to church when I was younger, because I was part of the girl guides and brownies - the rest of my family only went for weddings and funerals.
Certainly there were true believers then. I remember William Wilberforce, a devout Christian, who fought against the British slave trade. He also cared for and helped animals.
The story of his life is portrayed in the movie called Amazing Grace. It's a well made movie and free on YouTube.
William Wilberforce - Wikipedia
Hi @depp,
I didn’t mean to convey that there were no true believers, of course there were but it doesn’t negate the fact that families ect were made to go to church. So it did become a tradition to many - I should have used the word ‘ many ‘ in my previous post.
I can’t remember if I have seen that movie, but I will check it out xx
I didn’t mean to convey that there were no true believers, of course there were but it doesn’t negate the fact that families ect were made to go to church. So it did become a tradition to many - I should have used the word ‘ many ‘ in my previous post.
I can’t remember if I have seen that movie, but I will check it out xx
Rockerduck
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Buy a Kindle case that says Holy Bible on it. Problem solved. People want to be at church, but don't want to be seen as "religious". Carrying a bible advertises that. That what the Apostle Paul was saying. Romans 1:16
I carry a bible everywhere, and there is one visible in my car, I have a checkbook sized one that fits in my back pocket. You never know when you will see someone hurting and needs the life-giving words of Christ. I can't see opening a Kindle and waiting for it to boot up, or reading on my phone, or using an iPad to talk to a grieving person.
Just because someone uses a kindle doesn’t mean that conversations or other prompts do not happen, are we not guided by the Holy Spirit ?
I don’t recall Paul pulling out a Bible on his travels - he spoke and wrote letters.
To presume that anyone is ashamed of being a Christian just because they happen to use a kindle from time to time is perhaps making a judgement based on what you think you know, rather than on fact.
Rockerduck
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Paul carried parchments to read the scriptures to people.
2 Timothy 4:13 - Bring the cloak that I left with Carpus at Troas when you come—and the books, especially the parchments.
I do believe the Holy Spirit can use anything, including a Kindle, to use in evangelizing. As a Christian you are an ambassador for Christ in this world. What does an ambassador do?
Notice that he says ‘ bring the parchments and the books ‘ so Paul did not have them With him all the time. Of course Paul had scripture ( Torah ) He also would have memorised many things, but he often spoke to the people he encountered.
Why would you presume that I do not know I am an ambassador for Christ- I did not say I only use the kindle, or that I never take bibles with me - all I said was that I have a kindle and have a Bible on it that I sometimes use. Also you know very little about me and certainly not enough to know how I represent Christ in my life.
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