Christians with bullhorns?

[River Jordan]

Well it sure wasn't loud enough for the police to stop em.

If the police had done that, they would have had to stop the marching band too, and told the crowd to quiet down their fight song singing.

I back up KingJ.. Exaggerated this is. To make us look bad. That all River and Snr's been doin since they entered this forum. Trying to find holes in Christianity. If not the Word it's the people. Smh... I see that zipper on them sheep clothes... Where's the edifying?? Y'all tryin' to tear down. Come on man..

Man you guys sure are....well, honestly...hateful and angry. What happened to you to make such a negative person?

 

[aspen]

i think some people will defend any type of behavior, as long as it is done by a Christian. Suhar, i do not even like sports and i certainly do not spend money on it, but there is nothing wrong with doing so. if anyone here is too into a sports mentality it you - rooting for 'team Christian' at all costs. you know, supporting obnoxious behavior by Christians doesnt make you more Christian......

 

[KingJ]

Aren't Christians supposed to save the unsaved? If the method is turning those away from Christianity, what would be the point in trying to convince them to become a Christian? I think you are unaware that Christians are supposed to bring people to Jesus.

Also, since becoming a Christian, have you never sinned? Has your record been spotless since your conversion? Speak honestly. When a person becomes a Christian, they are not God. They are not perfect. They will still make mistakes. These people, with good intentions, made a mistake with their method.

You missing the boat my friend. We don't ''convince'' people to become Christian. The Holy Spirit MAKES one a Christian 1 Cor 12:3.

We all 'help' toil the soil. The Holy Spirit uses our combined efforts. I was lead to the Lord by a nun with a cane :lol:.

I would like to know what public speaking you and River have done. Have you two any idea of it? The right place for it is where? Those Christians standing up there would rather be at home sitting on their bums ....but they aren't....and unlike Jehovah's witnesses...their motivation is selfless....purely for you and I to hear the gospel. Now this is not rocket science type discerning....a Christian doing public speaking is approachable...that's why he is there in the first place.

Oh great, KingJ shows up to basically accuse me of lying. What a shock.

A lot of people were trying to get them to shut up, in a lot of different ways. I saw a couple of men go up to them and say something to them (no one could hear what they said over the noise of the bullhorn/speakers), but the bullhorn Christians ignored them and kept shouting. The men turned to their group, threw up their hands, and walked away. So it looked to me like they were trying to say something along the lines of "will you please shut up".

But as the celebration group started marching towards the stadium, the guy with the enormous speaker started walking towards them/with them. When he started doing that, a couple of younger guys started following him, making obscene gestures behind him. The speaker Christian ignored him and kept going, until finally one guy just got in his face and started screaming f-bombs at him. The police had to get the two of them apart and the loudspeaker Christian just turned and walked the other way, still shouting.

I saw moms and dads with kids yelling at the bullhorn Christians, but I'm sure they couldn't hear them over their own noise.

The Christian thing to do by you would have been to be a peacemaker of sort. Did you do anything other then sit on your chair and post this thread? Did you counsel some of the disturbed people? Did you not approach the bullhorn Christians before they took to their stage? I would have been between the f bomb guys and the bullhorn Christians trying to keep the peace. But you are a woman, so I understand you can't.

You need to be slower in batting for the other side River. This type of argument is rife on atheist forums. Christians just open their mouth anywhere in public and they get blasted. Public speaking takes guts and extreme self sacrifice. Remember that the next time you join the crowd against them. A sporting event is loud. Would the Christians not seem dumber if nobody noticed or heard them?

As I said to SNR....the very reason Christians do public speaking is to be approached and help people. Would you / the crowd be this offended if Justin Bieber was singing there h34r:?

 

[snr5557]

You missing the boat my friend. We don't ''convince'' people to become Christian. The Holy Spirit MAKES one a Christian 1 Cor 12:3.

So Christians have zero involvement with having other people being Christians? So what is your view on ministry outreach?

We all 'help' toil the soil. The Holy Spirit uses our combined efforts. I was lead to the Lord by a nun with a cane :lol:.

Basically what I said, we help convince. That part about the cane may explain why you are so aggressive.

I would like to know what public speaking you and River have done. Have you two any idea of it? The right place for it is where? Those Christians standing up there would rather be at home sitting on their bums ....but they aren't....and unlike Jehovah's witnesses...their motivation is selfless....purely for you and I to hear the gospel. Now this is not rocket science type discerning....a Christian doing public speaking is approachable...that's why he is there in the first place.

It was not the place or time, but how they did it during that place and time. By yelling at them so loud that they could barely hear, they made Christians seem like annoying people. We do not want people to view Christianity as a bunch of annoying, obnoxious people. Why you can't seem to get that I don't understand. Let me repeat. Although preaching to Christians is important, is it not important to involve non-believers as well? Again, what is your view on outreaching to non-believers? Are Christians to not ever mention Jesus to them? People yelling at others is not approachable. The fact that you think yelling so loud that one can't hear is the approachable also helps explain your aggression.

We are not against public speaking. The method in which the public speech occured is the problem.


The Christian thing to do by you would have been to be a peacemaker of sort. Did you do anything other then sit on your chair and post this thread? Did you counsel some of the disturbed people? Did you not approach the bullhorn Christians before they took to their stage? I would have been between the f bomb guys and the bullhorn Christians trying to keep the peace. But you are a woman, so I understand you can't.

You need to be slower in batting for the other side River. This type of argument is rife on atheist forums. Christians just open their mouth anywhere in public and they get blasted. Public speaking takes guts and extreme self sacrifice. Remember that the next time you join the crowd against them. A sporting event is loud. Would the Christians not seem dumber if nobody noticed or heard them?

There is a difference between being heard, and making it so no one can hear anything else. At my school clubs have to get people's attention all the time. They do not become so loud that no one can hear anything. It's just a matter of balance.

As I said to SNR....the very reason Christians do public speaking is to be approached and help people. Would you / the crowd be this offended if Justin Bieber was singing there h34r:?

Why would you even say such a thing. Of course we would. Have you ever heard of school fundraisers where they play songs by him, and ask people to donate money to just get it to stop? I do not appreciate the stereotype that all young people listen to him. SHAME. Shame on you.

The whole point is, we are not against public speaking. I know it takes guts to speak in public. I had to do a forty five minute speech in high school, my entire honors diploma depended on it. I was a nervous wreck. I thought I was going to forget everything and freak out. Thankfully I did not, but I do understand how it feels to do such a thing. To do that in front of countless strangers is scary to me, so I would want to make it count. What is the point of going through such lengths, to get the exact opposite result that they wanted?

 

[River Jordan]

I would like to know what public speaking you and River have done. Have you two any idea of it? The right place for it is where? Those Christians standing up there would rather be at home sitting on their bums ....but they aren't....and unlike Jehovah's witnesses...their motivation is selfless....purely for you and I to hear the gospel. Now this is not rocket science type discerning....a Christian doing public speaking is approachable...that's why he is there in the first place.

I do public outreach all the time...have for years. And unlike you, I know the difference between talking with people and yelling at them.

The Christian thing to do by you would have been to be a peacemaker of sort. Did you do anything other then sit on your chair and post this thread? Did you counsel some of the disturbed people?

Again you show that you don't even bother reading what people post. From the OP...

"One of my friends and I tried to say something to a person about how not all Christians are like that, but everyone was at such a high level of irritation and stress from the shouting, no one was open to what we wanted to say."

Did you not approach the bullhorn Christians before they took to their stage?

They were already at full volume when we got there.

I would have been between the f bomb guys and the bullhorn Christians trying to keep the peace. But you are a woman, so I understand you can't.

What do you think I should have done? Fought 'em off?

You need to be slower in batting for the other side River. This type of argument is rife on atheist forums.

Boy, Aspen hit it right on the nose. You fundamentalists seem to be evaluating this purely in terms of "team Christian can never do wrong and is beyond critique". OTOH, some of us (who are on "team Christian") are looking at it in "what is the effect". Clearly, the effect of their method of spreading the Gospel is the opposite of what they're shooting for.

And what is your obsession with atheist forums? Reading your posts, one would think if someone at an atheist forum posted something positive about cookies, you'd start yelling at us that we have to disavow all sweets. :lol:

Christians just open their mouth anywhere in public and they get blasted. Public speaking takes guts and extreme self sacrifice.

This is what's so funny about your reaction in this thread. I was there, you weren't. If you had been, you'd have seen that a couple of blocks away was a group of teenagers singing gospel songs, handing out pamphlets, and collecting money for a missionary trip. When I put my money in, I noticed that they had collected a lot of money.

That's a good testament to the efficacy of the different approaches.

Remember that the next time you join the crowd against them.

What the....? :wacko: I joined the crowd against them? What is wrong with you?

A sporting event is loud. Would the Christians not seem dumber if nobody noticed or heard them?

They weren't inside the stadium, they were outside and this was over an hour before the match started. Sheesh.

As I said to SNR....the very reason Christians do public speaking is to be approached and help people. Would you / the crowd be this offended if Justin Bieber was singing there h34r:?

You're not making any sense at all. Looks to me like you're just approaching this from "I must disagree and argue with River no matter what".

 

[KingJ]

I do public outreach all the time...have for years. And unlike you, I know the difference between talking with people and yelling at them.

Yeah...really...like what? Singing Christmas carols? Handing out candy-bars on the street corner to all who accept your ''Christians accept evolution'' pamphlets....''I am a Christian homosexual'' pamphlet...I am sure it is something along those lines. I don't see you standing on a corner preaching the word 'as is'.

This is what's so funny about your reaction in this thread. I was there, you weren't. If you had been, you'd have seen that a couple of blocks away was a group of teenagers singing gospel songs, handing out pamphlets, and collecting money for a missionary trip. When I put my money in, I noticed that they had collected a lot of money.

Amazing discernment there. Preaching scripture / telling people to repent is on par with singing cute little / feel good Christian songs....

 

[snr5557]

KingJ, do you want people to become Christians?

 

[williemac]

In looking through this topic, I am reminded that people share what they have. As a man thinks in his heart, so is he. And so goes the inconsistencies within Christianity, due to the various viewpoints about the nature of God and the nature of His gospel.
The message of the gospel is God's love, and His desire to bring people into relationship with Him. He was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself and has committed to us the ministry of reconciliation, as though He is pleading through us to the world to ..." be reconciled to God" (2Cor.5:19,20). The message that I see relayed by those as described in this op experience, was one of rejection, anger, condemnation, and warning of wrath. Where was the pleading? Where was the compassion? When the gospel is presented in God's love and in His anointing, it is usually followed with a more positive response than what actually happened there.

Furthermore, some of the responses on this thread would likely grieve the Holy Spirit, as some actually reflect the same kind of disrespectful spirit that was behind the so called outreach event. How well we really know our God can often be seen by our own demonstration of character in our behavior towards our brothers and sisters. Fixing a problem is not as easy as merely pointing it out. I'll be the first one to admit that. I wish we could all just get along :wacko: ... ;) .

 

[ChristianJuggarnaut]

So, the other day second hand lion and I were out with our bullhorns at some sporting event in the Pacific Northwest.

We were speaking about the evils of drinking and how evolution pollutes young minds.

Many people stopped to tell us how much they appreciated our stand, others rejected the message and hoped we would just stop.

Afterwards, I ate 13 hot dogs with laidrenard's pastor.

 

[Secondhand Lion]

So, the other day second hand lion and I were out with our bullhorns at some sporting event in the Pacific Northwest.

We were speaking about the evils of drinking and how evolution pollutes young minds.

Many people stopped to tell us how much they appreciated our stand, others rejected the message and hoped we would just stop.

Afterwards, I ate 13 hot dogs with laidrenard's pastor.

Don't you try to drag me into this! I am leaving this topic alone!

SL

 

[ChristianJuggarnaut]

Usually, you say something before bowing out gracefully.

 

[KingJ]

KingJ, do you want people to become Christians?

Snr, truth is truth. Love is applying effort to tell you the truth. NOT talking queitly, smiling, buying you a candybar.

If I told you that you one the lotto. Would you give two hoots whether I shouted or whispered it? Whether I was smiling or singing at the time?

Churches sit down and have brainstorming sessions on how best to appraoch an outreach idea. In this case bullhorns was the decided approach. Now .....these bullhorn people ARE Christians....Christians ARE approachable...Christian are NOT selfish and driven by evil.....anyone mocking anything they do...need to re-think their actions / statement 50 times over.

Scripture was given us by God...AS IS.....scripture preached ''as is'' will NEVER be peacefully recieved by a world that loves themselves and hates Jesus.

My chief argument is thus....WHO in the UNIVERSE can be offended in ANYWAY by a Christian doing WHATEVER when the underlying message from every Christian is...Jesus saves.

So, the other day second hand lion and I were out with our bullhorns at some sporting event in the Pacific Northwest.

We were speaking about the evils of drinking and how evolution pollutes young minds.

Many people stopped to tell us how much they appreciated our stand, others rejected the message and hoped we would just stop.

Afterwards, I ate 13 hot dogs with laidrenard's pastor.

You didn't invite me .

 

[snr5557]

KingJ, do you want people to become Christians?

 

[KingJ]

KingJ, do you want people to become Christians?

snr5557 do you want people to become weak / liberal / wish washy / Matt 7:22 type, Christians?

 

[snr5557]

KingJ, do you want people to become Christians?

 

[River Jordan]

Yeah...really...like what? Singing Christmas carols? Handing out candy-bars on the street corner to all who accept your ''Christians accept evolution'' pamphlets....''I am a Christian homosexual'' pamphlet...I am sure it is something along those lines. I don't see you standing on a corner preaching the word 'as is'.


Amazing discernment there. Preaching scripture / telling people to repent is on par with singing cute little / feel good Christian songs....

What an angry person you are. I still wonder what happened to make you like this.

 

[Yoda47]

Its a good topic. I once saw a athlete which did the Unholy finger symbol on tv before she were going to act. I think she was working for the devil.
May Jesus watch over us all and get rid of these infant demon souls.

If Jesus refuses to act upon these lost damned souls i will personally order a Sword of true spirit from amazon and stab them with fury and speed

 

[KingJ]

KingJ, do you want people to become Christians?

Haha, funny boy.

No, the bullhorn people and I want to waste our effort telling you to repent and deal with reality. It's a conspiracy, we want to see you in hell.

Playing tiddly winks and a feel good religious experience with the occasional mention of the name of Jesus....is something I will not offer my worst enemy....but you want that, don't you...

 

[snr5557]

No, the bullhorn people and I want to waste our effort telling you to repent and deal with reality. It's a conspiracy, we want to see you in hell.

Ok, I can tell you are being sarcastic, so I will take it as a yes that you want people to become Christians. Good.

Now, do you think that people enjoy being yelled at? I know that you were taught about Christianity through a cane from a nun, but do you think that the average person wants to be beaten down, verbally or physically?

Its a good topic. I once saw a athlete which did the Unholy finger symbol on tv before she were going to act. I think she was working for the devil.
May Jesus watch over us all and get rid of these infant demon souls.

If Jesus refuses to act upon these lost damned souls i will personally order a Sword of true spirit from amazon and stab them with fury and speed

That last sentence was very disturbing, at least to me. You cannot seriously want to stab them with a sword? And, do you honestly think that Jesus will not do what is right? Do you think that you are more righteous than Jesus is?

 

[KingJ]

Ok, I can tell you are being sarcastic, so I will take it as a yes that you want people to become Christians. Good.

Now, do you think that people enjoy being yelled at? I know that you were taught about Christianity through a cane from a nun, but do you think that the average person wants to be beaten down, verbally or physically?

So the purpose in repeating yourself 3 times is to discuss noise levels....

Did you miss my lotto example? Did you miss my first post? Do you know that in general sporting events are loud? Tell me how do you perceive '''repent and confess your sins'' at ANY noise level as beaten down? verbally abused?