we are the church the building only becomes the Church when everyone assemblies .. let me ask are you part od A church or the Church ?
"Christians don't know what they believe." - until they are brainwashed
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Did she blame him or simply tell the story of what had happened truthfully which would include his part in it?
Gen 3:13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done?
And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.
Which is followed up by the LORD's rebuke of the serpent which confirms this was the case
Gen 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
Paul also confirms the womans words and is fearful that by some means the same would happen to them
2 Cr 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
When you carefully read through, each of them only repeats what really happened in the truest order of events, as it is set it forth without any embellishments. The serpent did deceive woman and she did eat, and likewise did she give the same to her husband who was with her (who also the LORD himself did give to him).
Thanks for weighing in on this topic.
You are describing the exception, not the rule.
Would you allow someone to teach a doctrine you disagreed with at your church?
You say "the church is not there to tell you how to believe."
Does that mean you maintain no limits on what is taught, or believed?
Right.
I am a supporting and participating member of a local church.
I was raised in the church and have attended regularly most of my life.
I have been a church elder, short-term missionary and involved in
other ministries, including prison ministry and church planting.
Currently consider myself to be a recovering evangelical.
So I question many things about the church currently.
I write provocative forum topics to address these things.
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no i would not !!!! i am to protect the flock i am not a denom pastor even though i am in a general baptist Church .. there has to be order in any thing. first iff rule 1 is it teaching of what they believe. 2 does It say thus saith the lord .. if its strange fire i throw water on it rather quickly .. some things i will not allow apostolic teaching aka oneness doctrine as in there is no trinity . hyper Calvinism is another NO . another teaching one has to be careful of how its taught is osas saying its ok to do what you want after salvation .after all you wont lose it . i heard a person say i couldn't die and go to hell if i wanted.. in Church groups a person usually attends what lines up if there belief backed by scriptures .
lets tackle what your saying and others say .. i seen a post saying it was wrong to attend church before you knew the Bible .. what a bone head statement. when i got saved i did NOT know the Bible i started reading all my Christian life i have always been under sound teaching.. paul wrote to study to show your self approved .. i have a good friend i was saved under his ministry .while he was preaching a revival. that's been over 30 years ago .. he is fire brimstone hammer down preacher.. there are some areas i disagree with him on..... would you sit under a work based teaching? how about salvation by baptism or you must speak in tongues to be saved?
as pastor i guard that pulpit some demons i can get along with others i cant i consider my self to be a evangelical.. i am willing to listen to most teaching. but i also know how to discern something i am not sure of.. i will come home and study it very close.. if it raises a red flag the red flag stays up till i come to the point .. its not salvation threatening.
i dont know what you come out of but not every church is off the wayside if one attends baptist that is a personal preference. much like driving chevy dodge ford etc .. would you be so open minded to allow a j.w or a Mormon to teach ?
nothing wrong with that provided its not done in a manner to create division or to promote your self . i dont swallow hook line and sinker of any teaching . i attended a church of God prophecy the wife and i last sunday night.. heard a great message got what i needed . in closing a old time preacher man use to say on preaching eat the meat throw away the Bones
I had to snicker at my Pastor this morning. God bless him. (I love the guy)
He is against alcohol consumption. It's actually a denomination rule. (for Pastors)
Anyway, he was explaining some of the problems with the Corinthian church.
Like the Lord's Supper was being maligned because some were eating all the bread before others could partake.
And others were drinking all the grape juice and getting drunk.
Say what? - LOL
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And all this time I thought they were getting drunk on grapejuice
Here's the scripture in question.And all this time I thought they were getting drunk on grapejuice
1 Corinthians 11:20-21 NIV
So then, when you come together, it is not the Lord’s Supper you eat,
21 for when you are eating, some of you go ahead with your own private suppers.
As a result, one person remains hungry and another gets drunk.
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Exactly, you cannot get drunk off of grapejuice so it was obviously not grapejuice they were getting drunk on.
I remember a pastor that insisted it was grapejuice (of some kind) PERIOD!
Although given the situation with them getting drunk like that, I could understand why they might have changed things back to grape juice (so they wouldnt have to deal with this problem). Self control hadnt seem to come to fruition in some of them yet lol
whats the lol he is correct where does denomination rule come in if its Bible scripture it was not grape juice it was wine ..i fail to see your humor
Liquor sales are now allowed on Sunday in my state. Prior to that we had the Blue Sunday law.
Jack Daniels whiskey is made in a dry county. No retail alcohol sales or consumption allowed there.
These laws were a "gift" from Christianity to non-Christians. What was the basis of these laws?
In part, the claim that the "wine" in the Bible was really grape juice. Which is a lie.
No wonder people hate the church.
So, the humor is my Pastor claiming that some in the Corinthian church were getting drunk on grape juice.
How much grape juice would one need to drink to become intoxicated? It's a ridiculous claim.
I asked someone who works at a liquor store about how much their business had increased with Sunday sales.
He said weekly sales were the same. It was just a convenience for customers. And in reality, they were losing money.
They had to keep the store open one extra day and pay employees to work.
The bottom line was that the political victory of overturning the Blue Sunday law was harmful financially.
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Did you read the OP? (post #1)
In the video, John MacArthur is lamenting the sorry state of Evangelicalism in 2022.
He makes this ridiculous claim.
"Evangelicals have absolutely no idea what they believe." - John MacArthur
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john MacArthur is NOT the spokesman for Evangelicalism .. i have listened to him and got a good message .. but he tend to think he is a authoritarian. i will be honest with many of the popular big time t,v preachers are turned to idols, people tend to think they are the word,,, i like the old timers jay Vernon McGee Adrian rogers Charles stanley was good just not a lot t,v preachers i care for
The bottom line was that the political victory of overturning the Blue Sunday law was harmful financially. sounds good to me
the church needs get back to being THE CHURCH not a Church
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