CHANGING Times

[ScottA]

They say changing ones beliefs is like divorce or death.

Most would even say--even of all generations, but certainly of this generation, that these are times of change. And they are.

But it is not yet perceived by many that the times in which "knowledge shall increase" foretold by Daniel the prophet, speaks not only of technology, but mainly of the knowledge of God. Remember...this is that time which Christ has appointed and promised, that we should be lead into "all truth."

And from whence shall it come? From more scriptures? No, but from the Spirit of Truth, that other Helper, just as promised.

What then, does that say about what we have believed for the past 2,000 years, since the scriptures became complete in the Christian Bible?...It says that, surely we have not fully understood all that is written--and that all was not even written, for "there are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written one by one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. Amen." John 21:25

And I too say Amen!

But what that means--is that most will have to loosen their grip on what they have been taught and have believed their whole life...or just as Israel did--this generation will also reject the things of "all truth" and be called "evil" by Christ.

To our shame, and these past generations, this is what Paul counselled for 2,000 years ago, that we should "press on" even "leaving behind the elementary principles of Christ."

But, can you do that?

Can you now bear the increase of what the apostles were not then able to bear?

Are you prepared to receive "all truth" even that which would seem to be against all that you have only known in part?

 

[marks]

Are you prepared to receive "all truth" even that which would seem to be against all that you have only known in part?

What would that be?

Whether we are "prepared to receive truth", God will have to be the judge of that I think! I'm interested in what you are thinking of that is truth that goes against what we all think.

Much love!

 

[ScottA]

What would that be?

Whether we are "prepared to receive truth", God will have to be the judge of that I think! I'm interested in what you are thinking of that is truth that goes against what we all think.

Much love!

I see it here everyday.

The scriptures (even those we have, let alone all the books that could be written of Christ), are misunderstood here and everywhere in Christendom. It would be too much to list them all, but a few recent examples are:

• The Catholics refer to the [worldly] elements as Christ's literal body and blood, when He said, "This is my body...(you are my body)...eat of me." So, what then, shall we eat of each other? But, no, Christ is from above, that mana from above--from God, whom is spirit.
• Many see the waters of [this world] as having healing powers, even salvation. Again, these are from above, not of this world.
• And that man of sin that should be revealed-- People of sin look outside themselves for another, even when God has revealed sin in them. And they have made that their doctrine. Not seeing that one instead of themselves, not seeing the speck in their own eye, they push it off expecting that he is surely yet to come, even though God has revealed that man since Adam.

Pick any bit of scripture, or anything of God that has not yet been revealed--the dimness is everywhere.

And I am happy to show you with any scripture. Just name it.

 

[Cassandra]

To our shame, and these past generations, this is what Paul counselled for 2,000 years ago, that we should "press on" even "leaving behind the elementary principles of Christ."

Sorry, I couldn't find this scripture. Can you direct me to where it is?

 

[ScottA]

Sorry, I couldn't find this scripture. Can you direct me to where it is?

Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me. Philippians 3:12

Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, 2 of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. Hebrews 6:1-2​

 

[BarneyFife]

And if anyone thinks that he knows anything, he knows nothing yet as he ought to know. (1 Corinthians 8:2)

 

[BarneyFife]

I see it here everyday.

The scriptures (even those we have, let alone all the books that could be written of Christ), are misunderstood here and everywhere in Christendom. It would be too much to list them all, but a few recent examples are:

• The Catholics refer to the [worldly] elements as Christ's literal body and blood, when He said, "This is my body...(you are my body)...eat of me." So, what then, shall we eat of each other? But, no, Christ is from above, that mana from above--from God, whom is spirit.
• Many see the waters of [this world] as having healing powers, even salvation. Again, these are from above, not of this world.
• And that man of sin that should be revealed-- People of sin look outside themselves for another, even when God has revealed sin in them. And they have made that their doctrine. Not seeing that one instead of themselves, not seeing the speck in their own eye, they push it off expecting that he is surely yet to come, even though God has revealed that man since Adam.

Pick any bit of scripture, or anything of God that has not yet been revealed--the dimness is everywhere.

And I am happy to show you with any scripture. Just name it.

I feel kind of the same way except I don't feel qualified to show anyone where they err from any verse in the Bible. "It would be too much to list them all" sounds like you might have access to the master list. Do you mean that you don't know them all or that to list them all would take up too much space? Or maybe something else. It sure seems to me if you know what's falsely believed about every verse in the Bible, that would fairly strongly imply that you have a pretty good idea as to what would be the correct interpretation of every verse. Obviously, to say green eggs are the same as pink ham would be ridiculous, but biblical error is a much closer game than that. And what about foreseeing-type prophecy? It's a provocative post, to be sure. :)

 

[BarneyFife]

Most would even say--even of all generations, but certainly of this generation, that these are times of change. And they are.

It's also true, in a biblical way, that "the more things change, the more they stay the same." (Ecclesiastes 1:9)
Sorry, don't mean to hog/flood your thread. :)

 

[ScottA]

I feel kind of the same way except I don't feel qualified to show anyone where they err from any verse in the Bible. "It would be too much to list them all" sounds like you might have access to the master list. Do you mean that you don't know them all or that to list them all would take up too much space? Or maybe something else. It sure seems to me if you know what's falsely believed about every verse in the Bible, that would fairly strongly imply that you have a pretty good idea as to what would be the correct interpretation of every verse. Obviously, to say green eggs are the same as pink ham would be ridiculous, but biblical error is a much closer game than that. And what about foreseeing-type prophecy? It's a provocative post, to be sure. :)

I appreciate the way that you have expressed this...this is a tough subject, and to express what God has done, is very likely to be taken as unbelievable.

But I am not speaking out of turn, or exaggerating. I can only say that it is my testimony, that when I cried out to God, I asked for answers, and He answered in a way that can only be described as supernatural--spiritual. Little did I know at the time, but in time, after He then lead me to the Bible, I had understanding I too cannot explain--except to say that He did grant me my request. Which is not to say that I know all, but that I have yet to experience any lack of understanding, but rather have come to know things that are not preached by what might be considered greater men than I. God only knows to what extent. I will say that I have been to many lectures by theological professors who ended many questions from the crowd, saying "I don't really know."...but I did know, and do.

I go where He leads and say nothing that is opinion or my own. Which I consider completely foretold of our time, and biblical--all truth, just as promised.

 

[Ziggy]

They say changing ones beliefs is like divorce or death.

Most would even say--even of all generations, but certainly of this generation, that these are times of change. And they are.

But it is not yet perceived by many that the times in which "knowledge shall increase" foretold by Daniel the prophet, speaks not only of technology, but mainly of the knowledge of God. Remember...this is that time which Christ has appointed and promised, that we should be lead into "all truth."

And from whence shall it come? From more scriptures? No, but from the Spirit of Truth, that other Helper, just as promised.

What then, does that say about what we have believed for the past 2,000 years, since the scriptures became complete in the Christian Bible?...It says that, surely we have not fully understood all that is written--and that all was not even written, for "there are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written one by one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. Amen." John 21:25

And I too say Amen!

But what that means--is that most will have to loosen their grip on what they have been taught and have believed their whole life...or just as Israel did--this generation will also reject the things of "all truth" and be called "evil" by Christ.

To our shame, and these past generations, this is what Paul counselled for 2,000 years ago, that we should "press on" even "leaving behind the elementary principles of Christ."

But, can you do that?

Can you now bear the increase of what the apostles were not then able to bear?

Are you prepared to receive "all truth" even that which would seem to be against all that you have only known in part?

I believe God gave us EVERYTHING we need to know, but the where and how to understand it, can sometimes still be a mystery.
People say I like to mix apples with oranges, but that's how the Spirit shows me where and how to seek the truth.
I of myself know nothing. I am poorly educated when it comes to academics. I barely passed 6th grade in a public school.
That's why I pick up my shovel and go digging for hidden treasure.
It's in there, you just have to have a willingness to listen, and sometimes go against "traditional" understanding.
Everyday I seek, and everyday I find something new and something old.
But it all fits together, and not one piece is missing. We just haven't found them all and put it all together yet.

I would like to think I am prepared, but only God knows what I am able to bear.
So put it on the table Scott and let's come together and feast upon the word of the Lord.

God Bless
Hugs

 

[BarneyFife]

I appreciate the way that you have expressed this...this is a tough subject, and to express what God has done, is very likely to be taken as unbelievable.

But I am not speaking out of turn, or exaggerating. I can only say that it is my testimony, that when I cried out to God, I asked for answers, and He answered in a way that can only be described as supernatural--spiritual. Little did I know at the time, but in time, after He then lead me to the Bible, I had understanding I too cannot explain--except to say that He did grant me my request. Which is not to say that I know all, but that I have yet to experience any lack of understanding, but rather have come to know things that are not preached by what might be considered greater men than I. God only knows to what extent. I will say that I have been to many lectures by theological professors who ended many questions from the crowd, saying "I don't really know."...but I did know, and do.

I go where He leads and say nothing that is opinion or my own. Which I consider completely foretold of our time, and biblical--all truth, just as promised.

I appreciate the thoughtful reply. I can't help but wonder, though, although I realize that regular business must be done, and sometimes requires speech but, barring that, unless someone speaks nothing but Scripture, how can he be sure that nothing he says is opinion? Hope I'm not coming off as disagreeable or intentionally argumentative (not that I've never been guilty of that - lol). :)

 

[ScottA]

I appreciate the thoughtful reply. I can't help but wonder, though, although I realize that regular business must be done, and sometimes requires speech but, barring that, unless someone speaks nothing but Scripture, how can he be sure that nothing he says is opinion? Hope I'm not coming off as disagreeable or intentionally argumentative (not that I've never been guilty of that - lol). :)

Not argumentative at all--thank you!

A good example is what Paul referred to as "the mystery of marriage", revealing what had not been understood for millennia, before he stated it by explanation the way that it had only been referred to and only eluded to, by Christ. Which Paul did in his own words--not actually by him, but by the Holy Spirit speaking, just as Jesus said it would occur.

And we live in just such a time.

Even so, this is greatly feared by those who fear.

 

[ScottA]

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[Robert Gwin]

They say changing ones beliefs is like divorce or death.

Most would even say--even of all generations, but certainly of this generation, that these are times of change. And they are.

But it is not yet perceived by many that the times in which "knowledge shall increase" foretold by Daniel the prophet, speaks not only of technology, but mainly of the knowledge of God. Remember...this is that time which Christ has appointed and promised, that we should be lead into "all truth."

And from whence shall it come? From more scriptures? No, but from the Spirit of Truth, that other Helper, just as promised.

What then, does that say about what we have believed for the past 2,000 years, since the scriptures became complete in the Christian Bible?...It says that, surely we have not fully understood all that is written--and that all was not even written, for "there are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written one by one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. Amen." John 21:25

And I too say Amen!

But what that means--is that most will have to loosen their grip on what they have been taught and have believed their whole life...or just as Israel did--this generation will also reject the things of "all truth" and be called "evil" by Christ.

To our shame, and these past generations, this is what Paul counselled for 2,000 years ago, that we should "press on" even "leaving behind the elementary principles of Christ."

But, can you do that?

Can you now bear the increase of what the apostles were not then able to bear?

Are you prepared to receive "all truth" even that which would seem to be against all that you have only known in part?

Yes sir Scott, the scene of this world is changing rapidly. We are still a long way off from having absolute truth, but I welcome it sir for sure.

 

[BarneyFife]

In John 14:6, Jesus calls Himself the (definite article) Truth. The Greek word translated "truth" here seems to be the closest that any single word comes to expressing the popular concept of absolute truth in Christianity.

I'm not much for consulting original languages, but I sometimes do. It can be especially helpful with the words in red, I think (in particular with folks who are of higher than average intelligence--and people like me, who only wish they were so--who tend to overcomplicate things), since Christ, while He walked the earth, was never One given to flowery language.

And He understood that things from above were virtually indescribable in corruptible human language so He did the best He could with what He had.

Many of the greatest communicators in fairly recent (Renaissance, Great Awakening, etc.) history have testified that the best words are the simplest ones. Christ was definitely "ahead of His time," so to speak, in this discipline.

When He wasn't teaching conventionally in the simplest of words or actually quoting Scripture, He often availed Himself of the things of nature, unsullied as they were from the corruption of men's manipulation, and also of the necessary affairs of everyday life, to relate things heavenly.


Though the Scriptures are surely the means by which God chooses to most accurately express His love for His creatures today ("while it is called today"), the Person of Whom they testify seems to me to be most accurately considered to be "Absolute Truth." Yes, I do believe that absolute truth can only be found with God in Christ.

And I think that the sooner folks like me stop looking for truth as a measurable body of information, the closer we'll actually get to it/Him which/Who is actually Christ and Him crucified.

You just can't overemphasize the true Jesus. Thank you, LORD!!!


Just a thought or two from my admittedly diseased mind.

 

[quietthinker]

CHANGING Times
according to Seiko?....that's their business!

 

[BarneyFife]

Are you prepared to receive "all truth" even that which would seem to be against all that you have only known in part?

You'll pardon me, won't you, for thinking:
It begs the question:

Are you?

It's a fair question, isn't it?
(Please let me know if I become too antagonistic.)

Where I go to church, a kind of proverb is circulated:

"We have many things to learn, and many, many things to unlearn."

And it's a very interesting thought if you consider that it's technically false but, in a sense, spiritually true. The message it really conveys, if carefully examined, is that we are much more resistant to giving up cherished falsehoods than we are to learning new things that don't challenge them. The potential for growth in the kingdom of Heaven is limitless, compared to the pitiful amount of learning we have accumulated in this mortal life minus, let's not forget, the good stuff.

:)

 

[ScottA]

You'll pardon me, won't you, for thinking:
It begs the question:

Are you?

It's a fair question, isn't it?
(Please let me know if I become too antagonistic.)

Where I go to church, a kind of proverb is circulated:

"We have many things to learn, and many, many things to unlearn."

And it's a very interesting thought if you consider that it's technically false but, in a sense, spiritually true. The message it really conveys, if carefully examined, is that we are much more resistant to giving up cherished falsehoods than we are to learning new things that don't challenge them. The potential for growth in the kingdom of Heaven is limitless, compared to the pitiful amount of learning we have accumulated in this mortal life minus, let's not forget, the good stuff.

:)

Now you're talking--I am!

 

[ScottA]

CHANGING Times
according to Seiko?....that's their business!

Oh, and Daylight Savings too--the very idea-- Hallelujah! Praise be to God!

 

[BarneyFife]

Now you're talking--I am!

Good to know!