Catholic Preist Sings Song About Lucifer

[Marymog]

Catholics will say and do almost anything to defend their phony religion. They have no scripture because they don't believe the Bible, what they believe is Catholicism. The pope sits on his throne while Jesus hangs on the wall as the crucified Christ. It should be the other way around. The religion is not only anti-Gospel it is also anti-Christ.

Hey Robert,

What denomination do you belong too?

Curious Mary

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

I demonstrate that this has been the Faith of the Church for 2000

There are NO scriptures that tell Christians to talk to the dead (necromancy), pray to mary (idolatry), that perkytory is real (delusion), or to accept what your pope says as being more true than God's Word (idolatry)

Let's face realioty here, catholism is a cult no different than the mormans and jewhovah witnesses because all you people add to God's Word and take away from God's Word.... those doing this will not be allowed in to God's Kingdom and there will be no second chances in you people's perkentory

Deuteronomy 4:2
You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it,
that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Deuteronomy 12:32
Whatever I command you, you shall be careful to do; you shall not add to nor
take away from it.

Proverbs 30:6
Do not add to His words Or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar.

1 Corinthians 4:6
Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively applied to myself and Apollos
for your sakes, so that in us you may learn not to exceed what is written, so
that no one of you will become arrogant in behalf of one against the other.

Revelation 22:18-19
I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if
anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this
book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy,
God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which
are written in this book.

How do YOU define the "Real Jesus"?

The Real Jesus does NOT teach Christians to talk to the dead (necromancy), pray to mary (idolatry), that perkytory is real (delusion), or to accept what your pope says as being more true than God's Word (idolatry)

 

[Illuminator]

There are NO scriptures that tell Christians to talk to the dead (necromancy), pray to mary (idolatry), that perkytory is real (delusion), or to accept what your pope says as being more true than God's Word (idolatry)

Let's face realioty here, catholism is a cult no different than the mormans and jewhovah witnesses because all you people add to God's Word and take away from God's Word.... those doing this will not be allowed in to God's Kingdom and there will be no second chances in you people's perkentory

Deuteronomy 4:2
You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it,
that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Deuteronomy 12:32
Whatever I command you, you shall be careful to do; you shall not add to nor
take away from it.

Proverbs 30:6
Do not add to His words Or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar.

1 Corinthians 4:6
Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively applied to myself and Apollos
for your sakes, so that in us you may learn not to exceed what is written, so
that no one of you will become arrogant in behalf of one against the other.

Revelation 22:18-19
I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if
anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this
book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy,
God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which
are written in this book.





The Real Jesus does NOT teach Christians to talk to the dead (necromancy), pray to mary (idolatry), that perkytory is real (delusion), or to accept what your pope says as being more true than God's Word (idolatry)

What denomination teaches you so many lies?

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

What denomination teaches you so many lies?

Jesus said the Holy Ghost would lead us in to ALL Truth (John 16:13),
and Jesus said God's Word IS Truth (John 17:17)

Unlike the poor 'ol catholic peoples who are deceived by the teaching of all of those pope characters (all false teachers speaking for the devil) who add to and take away from what God teaches in His Word.

Time is quickly running out for you... I hope you turn away from these false, man made, pagan religious practices and turn unto the REAL Jesus Christ Who teaches according to God's Word.

Since these things are not taught in God's Word... The Real Jesus does NOT teach Christians to talk to the dead (necromancy), pray to mary (idolatry), that perkytory is real (delusion), or to accept what your pope says as being more true than God's Word (idolatry)

 

[Phoneman777]

And you’re wrong.

I already showed you the Biblical, historical and geographic similarities between the Harlot and apostate Jerusalem.

DB, while you've shown nothing, I've shown you that Rome is the "7 hilled city" upon which the Whore of Babylon sits and she "reigneth over the kings of the Earth".

Now, listen to me very carefully...

What city was reigning over the kings of the Earth circa 95 A.D. when John wrote that? Jerusalem which was desolate and in ruins...or Rome ?

Claiming that the High Priest and the Ministerial Priests served the SAME function Is not only ignorant – it is Biblically and historically bankrupt.

What post did I say the high priest and lower priests "served in the same function"? You obviously misread or misunderstood, as you routinely do, papist friend.

I said is they're part of the same Levitical priesthood, so stop with this unBiblical, false dichotomy made to establish the "legitimacy of the papal priesthood".

You would have to try to logically contend that the Priesthood of Jesus is the SAME as the Priesthood of all Christians.

The church is a "nation of priests" and Christ is our "High Priest". No Scripture invests the church with the power to either absolve or condemn anyone, so "binding/loosing" will never amount to anything more than the maximum discipline of erring members which is disfellowship, no matter how much you or your death cult want it to be "hand over heretics to the State for execution".

Paul recognizes his own ministry as a PRIEST:
Rom. 15:15-16
Yet I have written you quite boldly on some points to remind you of them again, because of the grace God gave me to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles. He gave me the PRIESTLY DUTY of proclaiming the gospel of God, so that the Gentiles might become an offering acceptable to God, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.

It's quite natural that the author of the Gospel of the Strawman would routinely grasp at them.

ALL Christians have a "priestly duty" - it's called "The Great Commission" for preaching the Gospel and winning people to Christ.

THIS is what Paul is talking about when he writes about those “OVER YOU” in the Lord:
1 Thess. 5:12
We ask you, brothers, to respect those who are laboring among you and who are OVER YOU in the Lord and who admonish you

God is not the author of confusion, papal or otherwise, so we should expect there would be "chiefs and indians" regarding church admin...but "ecclesiastical hierarchy"?

Never.

That's why Protestant leaders are allowed to serve "over us" at the pleasure of us the way Christ, our "Chief Shepherd", intended.

I am ESSTATIC that buy brought up the phony-baloney 19th century book, The Two Babylons by Alexander Hislop.
Time for a Literary Lesson . . .

Hislop had a huge fan in Ralph Woodrow, a 20th century minister who loved Hislop’s book so much that he also wrote a book based on Hislop’s work called, Babylon Mystery Religion.

HOWEVER, while doing actual research for a follow-up book, Woodrow discovered to his horror that Hislop simply invented most of the “facts” in his book. He wrote The Babylon Connection? to dispel the myths.

Woodrow now runs a website with his wife apologizing for having given false information based on Hislop’s book.

Do your HOMEWORK . . .

Congratulations - you completely DODGED my challenge that you show that this quote was from the Catechism.

EPIC failure . . .

Does not catholicism employ pagan rituals and practices that link together from the pages of archeology? I don't need Hislop's book to see that the sun worship symbols that are so plentiful in your faith, along with pagan beliefs such as that man is immortal, divine, can be saved by works, etc., point to only one conclusion - the correct conclusion of the Protestant Reformation.

 

[Phoneman777]

Ahhh, o.k. For a moment there I thought you were considering the editor/writer of that article on "SABBATH OBSERVANCE" to be "authoritative" simply because he wrote for a "Catholic" newspaper! Thanks for clarifying.

Sorry, but I never heard of that quote before.

Edited to Update: I searched this quote, and what I have to say is, "LOLOLOL!"

First of all, was the letter first written in Italian or Latin? Because I guarantee you, it wasn't originally written in English...

...which means the letter was translated into English.

Here is the sentence in Italian:
"E invero, poiché Noi siamo sulla terra vicari di Dio onnipotente, il quale vuole che tutti gli uomini siano salvi e pervengano alla conoscenza della verità, e poiché la tarda età e le amarezze Ci sospingano al termine della vita, Ci piace imitare l’esempio del redentore e maestro Nostro Gesù Cristo"

Here is the translation of the sentence from Italian to English:
"And indeed, since We are on earth vicars of almighty God, who wants all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth, and since old age and bitterness push Us to the end of life, We like to imitate the example of our redeemer and master Jesus Christ"

Here is the sentence in Latin:
"Iamvero, cum Dei omnipotentis vices in terris geramus, qui vult omnes homines salvos fieri et ad agnitionem veritatis venire, cumque Nos et sera aetas et amara curarum ad humanum urgeant exitum, visum est redemptoris magistrique nostri Iesu Christi"

Here is the translation from Latin to English:
"Now, when we are carrying out the works of the Almighty God on earth, who wants all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth, even if late age and bitter cares urge us to a human exit, it seemed to our redeemer and teacher Jesus Christ"

So, what's there to deny? A poor translation?

Here is the letter. In Italian, Latin and English. Enjoy reading.

Praeclara gratulationis (20 giugno 1894) | LEONE XIII

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Praeclara gratulationis (20 Iunii 1894) | LEO XIII

Epistola Apostolica Ssmi D. N. Leonis XIII ad Principes Populosque Universos, occasione sui Iubilaei Episcopalis

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As far as I can tell, there is no "authoritative" record to show that any Pope said that, or that the Vatican ever issued any statement like that. Supposedly that 'sentence' proceeded the other sentence in The Catholic Recorder. But I gave you the link to the newspaper, and that sentence is not in the paper.

I acknowledge that Bill Gates is the 'head' of Microsoft. I acknowledge Joe Biden as the 'head' of the USA. I do not believe in the "supremacy" of Bill Gates or Joe Biden. And likewise with the Pope. I recognize the Pope as the 'head' of the earthly Catholic church. But I acknowledge Christ's supremacy OVER the Church.

And, here lies the crux of the issue:
The Bible claims God performs His work THROUGH us, His vessels.
The papacy claims IT performs the work of God ITSELF by divine appointment of a "priesthood".

Don't you know "apart from Me, ye can do nothing"?

God's Holy Spirit is not a "one and done" experience - it is a daily dependance upon Him to impart to us Holy Spirit power, that we should ever be reminded of our constant dependance, lest we become presumptuous. The papacy would have us believe the power of God is presumptuously obtained by chants, hocus pocus phraseology, trinkets, rituals, etc.

 

[Phoneman777]

O.k. but we're back to the difference between what's in the Greek and Aramaic.

Conversations you and I are having are all very academic and all, but at the end, it's really of no concern to me what Petra, Peter, Ceyphas, Kepha, or whatever other names are being used to identify Simon Peter after his name was changed to Peter, and what it means.

Let's stick to the verse: "Thou art Peter ("petros") and upon this rock ("petra") I will build My church..."

Here's a similar thought:
"My 12" black and white is my T.V., and upon this giant 80" megapixel LCD I will watch the big game".
Any thinking person knows this statement is inconsistent. So why do catholics not see the inconsistency with making "a small stone of instability" equal to "a giant rock of immense proportion"?

The only "giant rock of immense proportion" to which Jesus could be pointing is Peter's confession: "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God".

"Consistency, thou art a jewel".

 

[Phoneman777]

You’ve completely DODGED the point again.

I asked you to provide the name of the person who made the “quote” - and the Church document it came from.

Once again – you FAILED . . .

DB, I've pointed to many sources and your answer is all the same: they're either old and outdated, not official, or by some rogue catholic.

Andre Duvall was a French-Canadian historian and author.
He had ZERO authority in the Catholic Church – so all YOU “quoted” was a layman’s opinion.

We know how fiercely the papacy targeted those who wrote contrary to the popes: death.

Since none of these "layman" were sentenced to death, our only conclusion is that they wrote in perfect harmony with your papist leaders.

As to your “quote” from Ignatius Loyola – it’s funny how the ONLY Google searches that carry it are a small handful of anti-Catholic sites.
NOTHING can be found from a primary source.

So, Loyola didn't say that?

Of course you don’t.

You have the insane rants of your crusty old, long-dead goddess, Ellen White to misguide you . . .

See, DB, unlike you, I rely on the Word of God for my propositions - you rely on false papal doctrines which claim unless you bow down to the authority of the pope, you can't go to heaven.

The Catholic Church has never taught that a Pope can condemn a person’s soul.

That is just more excrement from your founder/goddess, Ellen White.
Time to leave that cult . . .

Oh please..."the sentence of the priest precedes, and God subscribes to it".

I guess the papacy was LYING all those centuries about its power to declare anyone "anathema", right?

 

[Mink57]

DB, while you've shown nothing, I've shown you that Rome is the "7 hilled city" upon which the Whore of Babylon sits and she "reigneth over the kings of the Earth".

Now, listen to me very carefully...

What city was reigning over the kings of the Earth circa 95 A.D. when John wrote that? Jerusalem which was desolate and in ruins...or Rome ?

What post did I say the high priest and lower priests "served in the same function"? You obviously misread or misunderstood, as you routinely do, papist friend.

I said is they're part of the same Levitical priesthood, so stop with this unBiblical, false dichotomy made to establish the "legitimacy of the papal priesthood".

The church is a "nation of priests" and Christ is our "High Priest". No Scripture invests the church with the power to either absolve or condemn anyone, so "binding/loosing" will never amount to anything more than the maximum discipline of erring members which is disfellowship, no matter how much you or your death cult want it to be "hand over heretics to the State for execution".

It's quite natural that the author of the Gospel of the Strawman would routinely grasp at them.

ALL Christians have a "priestly duty" - it's called "The Great Commission" for preaching the Gospel and winning people to Christ.

God is not the author of confusion, papal or otherwise, so we should expect there would be "chiefs and indians" regarding church admin...but "ecclesiastical hierarchy"?

Never.

That's why Protestant leaders are allowed to serve "over us" at the pleasure of us the way Christ, our "Chief Shepherd", intended.

Not going to address what's above...

Does not catholicism employ pagan rituals and practices that link together from the pages of archeology? I don't need Hislop's book to see that the sun worship symbols that are so plentiful in your faith, along with pagan beliefs such as that man is immortal, divine, can be saved by works, etc., point to only one conclusion - the correct conclusion of the Protestant Reformation.

Where in the world are you getting this *slop* from? Catholics don't believe that man is "immortal", that man is "divine" and/or that we can be saved by works!

I swear Phoneman...it's as if anti-Catholics go from website to website, write down a list of grievances against the RCC, come to a forum such as CyB and present a few at a time. Once those are 'debunked' by more knowledgeable Catholics (such as BreadOfLife, Illuminator and MaryMog, to name a few...), they don't acknowledge that either *they* are wrong, and/or their "sources" are wrong. They just...list a few more grievances.

And, y'all do this as if you're presenting brand new objections!

When it comes to grievances against the RCC, believe me, the RCC has HEARD THEM ALL. They've been hearing them and addressing them for HUNDREDS of years...even BEFORE the Reformation took place. Don't believe me? READ the Summa Theologica, by St. Thomas Aquinas.

Once you're finished with that, read The Catholic Catechism.

Once you're finished with those two 'books', get back to me on the beliefs of the Catholic Church!

 

[Phoneman777]

Hey Phoneman,

What is your "outward evidence" of fulfilling Luke 22:19?

Hi, Mary, we do as Christ did concerning the bread and juice. Afterward, we follow their example and depart the service with singing.

Do you obey Mark 14:22-25?

Curious Mary

Yes, we demonstrate the outward evidence of our inward faith by obedience to "all things whatsover I have commanded you".

 

[Phoneman777]

Where in the world are you getting this *slop* from? Catholics don't believe that man is "immortal"

Where's Mary right now?

, that man is "divine"

"...and finally, thou art another GOD ON EARTH". - Archbishop Marcellus to the newly crowned pope

and/or that we can be saved by works!

Then, are we saved merely by faith through grace?

I swear Phoneman...it's as if anti-Catholics go from website to website, write down a list of grievances against the RCC, come to a forum such as CyB and present a few at a time. Once those are 'debunked' by more knowledgeable Catholics (such as BreadOfLife, Illuminator and MaryMog, to name a few...), they don't acknowledge that either *they* are wrong, and/or their "sources" are wrong. They just...list a few more grievances.

Maybe if the papacy didn't make such blasphemous claims like the priest is "the creator of his Creator", we wouldn't criticize such blasphemy.

 

[Mink57]

Where's Mary right now?

To Catholics? In Heaven...

"...and finally, thou art another GOD ON EARTH". - Archbishop Marcellus to the newly crowned pope

Once AGAIN, you're giving NO CONTEXT. No date...no 'who said what to who'...no place it was supposedly said...Can't address this unless I know ANY of that.

Then, are we saved merely by faith through grace?

Nope. Never said that. But you don't seem to get how grace and faith and works are in concert.

Maybe if the papacy didn't make such blasphemous claims like the priest is "the creator of his Creator", we wouldn't criticize such blasphemy.

You keep making these quotes and not giving any sources for these quotes. Please provide your source.

 

[Illuminator]

Jesus said the Holy Ghost would lead us in to ALL Truth (John 16:13),
and Jesus said God's Word IS Truth (John 17:17)

I see. You are anti-church. You have proven to yourself you cannot be wrong by the criteria you set for yourself. You don't need pastors and if you ever had a chat with one, he would grow weary of arguing with you and politely distance himself from you. The Holy Ghost does not lead you to bear false witness. You are angry at phantoms of your (infallible) creation. Authority is always given, not taken. Can we have a discussion without you being so insulting?



A satirical meme illustrating the absurdity of your anti-biblical individualism and your uncharitable bullying.

 

[Illuminator]

To Catholics? In Heaven...

Once AGAIN, you're giving NO CONTEXT. No date...no 'who said what to who'...no place it was supposedly said...Can't address this unless I know ANY of that.

Nope. Never said that. But you don't seem to get how grace and faith and works are in concert.

You keep making these quotes and not giving any sources for these quotes. Please provide your source.

He likes to quote official Catholic looking sources from SDA sites. Frequently, documents in question cannot be found on line.

 

[Mink57]

He likes to quote official Catholic looking sources from SDA sites. Frequently, documents in question cannot be found on line.

I get that. What I don't get is why 'they' pay attention to those 'supposed documents' without looking up this stuff for themselves...tlus, I get the wanting to know...and the questions...

What I DON'T get is, what's with the insults and the sarcasm....? I mean...

...where the heck is THAT in any Bible?

Where is THAT even "Christian"?

 

[Philip James]

There are NO scriptures that tell Christians to talk to the dead (necromancy),

Hello Big Boy,

who do you know that consults with the dead? Not faithful Catholics, certainly..

Pax et Bonum

 

[Cassandra]

I think Big Boy is speaking of the saints.
And the remark about creating the Creator Phoneman made has to do with the wafer becoming the body of Christ with the eucharistic prayer made by the priest.

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[Mink57]

I think Big Boy is speaking of the saints.
And the remark about creating the Creator Phoneman made has to do with the wafer becoming the body of Christ with the eucharistic prayer made by the priest.

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To a point. Phoneman said: "Maybe if the papacy didn't make such blasphemous claims like the priest is "the creator of his Creator", we wouldn't criticize such blasphemy."

The papacy didn't make that comment. St. Alphonsus de Ligouri wrote it in his work entitled "DIGNITY AND DUTIES OF THE PRIEST."

Also, Phoneman didn't write out the complete sentence: "Thus the priest may, in a certain manner, be called the creator of his Creator, since by saying the words of consecration, he creates, as it were, Jesus in the Sacrament, by giving Him a Sacramental existence, and produces Him as a victim to be offered to the eternal Father." (emphasis added)

Alphonsus was simply writing his opinion of how the consecration of the host by the priest could be viewed; NOT how it should be viewed.

While the papacy holds Alphonsus' writings in high esteem, people (including the clergy) are free to accept his opinion or reject it.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

You are anti-church.

No, I'm anti-cult... because I'm pro Body of Christ which is the TRUE Church of Jesus Christ.

The catholics follow a different jesus and a different gospel, one that does not agree with what the Lord says in His Word.

I know, anybody that disagrees with the catholics and freely says so in your view is a "wooly bully"
If you want to believe all that catholic stuff, then at some point you need to understand many others will disagree with you and you should just move on since you're not going to change them.

who do you know that consults with the dead? Not faithful catholics, certainly..

Many, many, many catholics publications speak of praying amd talking to those who have passed from this life as in their body is dead and in the ground and that person is not here.

The Lord and His Apostles never taught anybody to do this as we see in God's Word that they did not teach any such doctrine.

That is necromancy, and it's an open door for demonic influence, oppression, and even demonic possession by those who who are involved in this practice... Jesus ever lives to make intersession for real Christians so we have no need to seek help from anybody else since Jesus is more than enough!

The catholics apparently believe Jesus just can't hack it, He's just not powerful enough to trust to interceded for them... so they have to try and talk to the dead and instead of any saints hearing them, all they get is demons listing in and leading catholics further astray.

 

[BreadOfLife]

DB, I've pointed to many sources and your answer is all the same: they're either old and outdated, not official, or by some rogue catholic.

WRONG.

You post “quotes” and excerpts without PRIMARY sources – which are as worthless as udders on a bull . . .

We know how fiercely the papacy targeted those who wrote contrary to the popes: death.

Since none of these "layman" were sentenced to death, our only conclusion is that they wrote in perfect harmony with your papist leaders.

Duval lived in the 20th century.
NOBODY’s life was in danger from ANY Pope during this time.

Quick – think up another LIE . . .

So, Loyola didn't say that?

Can you find a PRIMARY source of his that has this quote??

Or, should we simply depend on your usual sources for anti-Catholic manure??

See, DB, unlike you, I rely on the Word of God for my propositions - you rely on false papal doctrines which claim unless you bow down to the authority of the pope, you can't go to heaven.

Like UNBiblical doctrines of things like “Soul Sleep’ and Like Sola Scriptura??

Oh please..."the sentence of the priest precedes, and God subscribes to it".

Thus quote from St. Peter Damian isn’t about whether a priest or Pope can condemn a person to Hell.. It’s about the God-given Authority that Jesus bestowed upon His Church to be His mouthpiece on earth (Matt. 16:17-19, Matt, 18:18, Luke 10:16).

I guess the papacy was LYING all those centuries about its power to declare anyone "anathema", right?

An anathema has nothing to do with condemning a person to Hell.
It is a DISCIPLICARY tool for disobedient, unruly Catholics. It is an excommunication – not a “curse”.

Put down your SDA manure for a while and read some FACTS . . .