Catholic Preist Sings Song About Lucifer

[BreadOfLife]

I've shown you that John's looking into the future - Jerusalem has already been laid to waste.

And you’re wrong.

I already showed you the Biblical, historical and geographic similarities between the Harlot and apostate Jerusalem.

YOU have offered NO such comparison.
Just the usual Eleen White vomit . . .

No, you argued there are THREE levels of priesthhood, the high priest, Levites, and the lay priesthood of the people.

I shut that down by pointing out the high priest is fully a part of the Levitical priesthood, which leaves only TWO levels: the Levites and the lay people.

And today, you guys are left mad because Jesus is fulfilling in heaven the earthly priesthood you guys covet so badly, but can never have. You're also mad that I'm as much a priest as the pope...I hereby condemn him as an enemy of Christ for his heretical teachings and practices toward both adults and little kids.

Claiming that the High Priest and the Ministerial Priests served the SAME function Is not only ignorant – it is Biblically and historically bankrupt.

You would have to try to logically contend that the Priesthood of Jesus is the SAME as the Priesthood of all Christians.

Paul recognizes his own ministry as a PRIEST:
Rom. 15:15-16
Yet I have written you quite boldly on some points to remind you of them again, because of the grace God gave me to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles. He gave me the PRIESTLY DUTY of proclaiming the gospel of God, so that the Gentiles might become an offering acceptable to God, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.

THIS is what Paul is talking about when he writes about those “OVER YOU” in the Lord:
1 Thess. 5:12
We ask you, brothers, to respect those who are laboring among you and who are OVER YOU in the Lord and who admonish you

DB, let's not pretend the round wafer "host" and the golden monstrace in which it's place is not a direct representation of paganism, where the "host" is the penis and the monstrance is the womb, and the joining of the two is the "life giving" power of the sun god.

In the two Babylons, Hislop shows how the papacy is a perfected carbon copy of Eastern sun worship of the sun god - the similarities are as countless as they are uncanny.

I am ESSTATIC that buy brought up the phony-baloney 19th century book, The Two Babylons by Alexander Hislop.
Time for a Literary Lesson . . .

Hislop had a huge fan in Ralph Woodrow, a 20th century minister who loved Hislop’s book so much that he also wrote a book based on Hislop’s work called, Babylon Mystery Religion.

HOWEVER, while doing actual research for a follow-up book, Woodrow discovered to his horror that Hislop simply invented most of the “facts” in his book. He wrote The Babylon Connection? to dispel the myths.

Woodrow now runs a website with his wife apologizing for having given false information based on Hislop’s book.

Do your HOMEWORK . . .

2 Thessalonians 2 says the Man of Sin papacy would "show himself that he is God" - by innumerable signs, tokens, and even twisted teachings, the papacy fulfills this prophecy perfectly.

Congratulations - you completely DODGED my challenge that you show that this quote was from the Catechism.

EPIC failure . . .

 

[Phoneman777]

What's an "authoritative" author?

Authors of catechisms, official papal statements, encyclicals, opinions of high ranking papists, etc.

The thing is, that even *you* put the word "heretics" in quotes, and I'm glad you did. The dictionary definition of a heretic is a very general definition. But the Catholic Law definition is a bit more detailed:

1. The person in question must have had a valid Christian baptism
2. the person claims to still be a Christian
3. the person publicly and obstinately denies or positively doubts a truth that the Catholic Church regards as revealed by God (through the Scriptures or Sacred tradition)
4. the disbelief must be morally culpable, that is, there must be a refusal to accept what is known to be a doctrinal imperative.

Heresy in the Catholic Church - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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Unless ALL four of those "elements" are met, the person in question would not be considered to be a "formal" heretic.

There is a difference between a "formal" heretic and a "material" heretic. There are also differences between manifest, occult, public, and private heretics.

See how convoluted it gets?

As for The Jesuit's Catechism I have been unable to get hold of the 48 page booklet so far, but I can tell you this: The Jesuits have quite often bucked heads with the Vatican on a number of issues. For me, more research (by me) is needed for me to comment any further.

Where are the statements from papal authorities denying that the popes "hold upon this Earth the place of God almighty"?

That "Sunday is our Mark of authority"?

That Christians can remain in their respective faiths so long as they acknowledge the "supremacy" of the pope?

 

[Phoneman777]

Hmm. I'm pretty new to this whole Apologetics 'game', so there's a lot I don't know about. I'll have to do a little research on the TR.

O.k. Can you provide an example of what's missing from the Alexandrian MSS?

Interesting...

Can you point me to the source you're using that states that "Pertros" means "small stone of instability"?

O.k....

The texts that I listed are really a 'short list'. There are other points -- both inside and extra-biblical -- that the RCC uses to satisfy its understanding of Peter's role as 'the rock' of the RCC.

I look at the Bible like I do secular law. There's primary law and secondary law. Primary law would be like, the US Constitution...Federal and State statutes, etc. Basically stating the LAW itself ("Anyone who exceeds the speed limit of 65 mph on an Interstate highway may be subject to a fine up to $1000 for every 5 mph in excess of the posted limit or a fine plus 6 months in jail." Not a real law, but you get the gist) Secondary law would be writings such as Legal encyclopedias and Law digests.

I see the Bible in a similar fashion. The Bible is primary law. Writings of the Church 'Fathers' would be secondary law. Scripture...primary. Footnotes on the Scriptures...secondary. The thing is, that secondary law often supports primary law.

At least, that's how *I* see it.

How do you know what's written under the inspiration of the Holy Ghost?

I agree...that is, IF we can both agree on what "scripture" is...
See, you don't consider the Apocrypha to be scripture, whereas, Catholics do. There's evidence that at least some of those books were used by the Jews...and the removed. There's much speculation as to WHY, but the truth, to this day, is unknown.

A man who could repent...a man who can be an example of what not to do...

His Word means nothing unless we practice what He preaches...

Just because the law is "written on our hearts" does NOT mean that we all 'read' our hearts. The serial killer who claims to "believe" in God, obviously didn't get the memo...

I would encourage you to confirm these claims for yourself. For instance, any Greek Lexicon will confirm "petros" means "small stone" whereas "Petra" means a "giant boulder" by looking up both uses of "rock" in Jesus' exchange with Peter.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Certainly, if you do not believe:

For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body, eats and drinks judgment on himself.

I'm with the believers... catholiks are with the non-believers... cause they believe in a different jesus and a different gospel.

These statements are indefensible and proof that the catholic church's official position is that the word of the pope is "above the Bible" and thinking person can readily see this is so.

Yep, and this is another way catholics commit idolatry because they put what some old fuddy duddy wearing funny clothes says before what the Lord says.

abandon the things the Spirit has led 2000 years of our brethren to

But the spirit the catholics are following is a demon because he keeps leading you peoples in to false doctrine.

I AM one of "them" Catholics.

Sorry to hear about that... the True Lord Jesus can help deliver you and set you free from the false doctrines of catholicism as they follow a different jesus and another gospel...

 

[Philip James]

catholiks are with the non-believers... cause they believe in a different jesus and a different gospel.

Dear Big Boy,

this is the Jesus I believe in:

I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.

This Jesus (the Groom) who offers Himself to us every time we celebrate Eucharist, and we (the bride) receiving Him, are intimately united with Him and through Him with each other.

The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread that we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ?

Because the loaf of bread is one, we, though many, are one body, for we all partake of the one loaf.

You too! Are welcome to come to the wedding Feast of the Lamb of God!

Pax et Bonum

 

[Mink57]

Authors of catechisms, official papal statements, encyclicals, opinions of high ranking papists, etc.

Ahhh, o.k. For a moment there I thought you were considering the editor/writer of that article on "SABBATH OBSERVANCE" to be "authoritative" simply because he wrote for a "Catholic" newspaper! Thanks for clarifying.

Where are the statements from papal authorities denying that the popes "hold upon this Earth the place of God almighty"?

Sorry, but I never heard of that quote before.

Edited to Update: I searched this quote, and what I have to say is, "LOLOLOL!"

First of all, was the letter first written in Italian or Latin? Because I guarantee you, it wasn't originally written in English...

...which means the letter was translated into English.

Here is the sentence in Italian:
"E invero, poiché Noi siamo sulla terra vicari di Dio onnipotente, il quale vuole che tutti gli uomini siano salvi e pervengano alla conoscenza della verità, e poiché la tarda età e le amarezze Ci sospingano al termine della vita, Ci piace imitare l’esempio del redentore e maestro Nostro Gesù Cristo"

Here is the translation of the sentence from Italian to English:
"And indeed, since We are on earth vicars of almighty God, who wants all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth, and since old age and bitterness push Us to the end of life, We like to imitate the example of our redeemer and master Jesus Christ"

Here is the sentence in Latin:
"Iamvero, cum Dei omnipotentis vices in terris geramus, qui vult omnes homines salvos fieri et ad agnitionem veritatis venire, cumque Nos et sera aetas et amara curarum ad humanum urgeant exitum, visum est redemptoris magistrique nostri Iesu Christi"

Here is the translation from Latin to English:
"Now, when we are carrying out the works of the Almighty God on earth, who wants all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth, even if late age and bitter cares urge us to a human exit, it seemed to our redeemer and teacher Jesus Christ"

So, what's there to deny? A poor translation?

Here is the letter. In Italian, Latin and English. Enjoy reading.

Praeclara gratulationis (20 giugno 1894) | LEONE XIII

<i>Praeclara gratulationis</i> di Papa leone XIII - Dopo aver rivolto agli scismatici un pressante invito all’unità nella Chiesa di Roma, il Pontefice ricorda il valore dell’azione svolta nei secoli dal Cristianesimo per l’elevazione dei popoli e per l’affermazione della pace.</i></p><p><i>Di...

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Praeclara gratulationis (20 Iunii 1894) | LEO XIII

Epistola Apostolica Ssmi D. N. Leonis XIII ad Principes Populosque Universos, occasione sui Iubilaei Episcopalis

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Praeclara Gratulationis Publicae - Papal Encyclicals

To Our Venerable Brethren, all Patriarchs, Primates, Archbishops and Bishops of the Catholic World In Grace and Communion with the Apostolic See Venerable Brethren, Health and Apostolic Benediction, The splendid tokens of public rejoicing which have come to Us from … <a...

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That "Sunday is our Mark of authority"?

As far as I can tell, there is no "authoritative" record to show that any Pope said that, or that the Vatican ever issued any statement like that. Supposedly that 'sentence' proceeded the other sentence in The Catholic Recorder. But I gave you the link to the newspaper, and that sentence is not in the paper.

That Christians can remain in their respective faiths so long as they acknowledge the "supremacy" of the pope?

I acknowledge that Bill Gates is the 'head' of Microsoft. I acknowledge Joe Biden as the 'head' of the USA. I do not believe in the "supremacy" of Bill Gates or Joe Biden. And likewise with the Pope. I recognize the Pope as the 'head' of the earthly Catholic church. But I acknowledge Christ's supremacy OVER the Church.

 

[Mink57]

I would encourage you to confirm these claims for yourself. For instance, any Greek Lexicon will confirm "petros" means "small stone" whereas "Petra" means a "giant boulder" by looking up both uses of "rock" in Jesus' exchange with Peter.

O.k. but we're back to the difference between what's in the Greek and Aramaic.

Conversations you and I are having are all very academic and all, but at the end, it's really of no concern to me what Petra, Peter, Ceyphas, Kepha, or whatever other names are being used to identify Simon Peter after his name was changed to Peter, and what it means.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

This Jesus (the Groom) who offers Himself to us every time we celebrate Eucharist

No, Jesus is not literally present in the catholics magic show where catholics claim they are literally eating the flesh of the Lord and literally drinking His actual blood.

Romans 10:6-10
But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say NOT in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)
Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

You too! Are welcome to come to the wedding Feast of the Lamb of God!

I take communion according to how God's Word describes and no according to pagan religious rituals infested with doctrines of demons.

 

[Philip James]

No, Jesus is not literally present

Your unbelief is unfortunate. For this is indeed what you are missing. What my brothers and sisters have professed for 2000 years..

Here's some more St. Paul for you:

"For this reason a man shall leave (his) father and (his) mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh."

This is a great mystery, but I speak in reference to Christ and the church.

And of course Jesus' own words:

"Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.

Whoever eats 19 my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.

For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink.

Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.

And St. Ignatius who received these things from the apostle John, and who was made bishop of the Church in Antioch by the apostles:

But mark ye those who hold strange doctrine
touching the grace of Jesus Christ which came to us,
how that they are contrary to the mind of God. They
have no care for love, none for the widow, none for
the orphan, none for the afflicted, none for the
prisoner, none for the hungry or thirsty. They abstain
from eucharist (thanksgiving) and prayer, because they
allow not that the eucharist is the flesh of our
Saviour Jesus Christ, which flesh suffered for our
sins, and which the Father of His goodness raised up.

They therefore that gainsay the good gift of God
perish by their questionings. But it were expedient
for them to have love, that they may also rise again.

St. Ignatius of Antioch to the Smyrnaeans (Lightfoot translation)

For 2000 years the Church proclaimed the Truth and offered the Bread of Life and the Chalice of Salvation in the fulfillment of Malachi 1:11

For from the rising of the sun, even to its setting, my name is great among the nations; And everywhere they bring sacrifice to my name, and a pure offering; For great is my name among the nations, says the LORD of hosts.

The Truth does not change...

Pax et Bonum

 

[Philip James]

I take communion according to how God's Word describes

You search the scriptures, because you think you have eternal life through them; even they testify on my behalf.

But you do not want to come to me to have life.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

You search the scriptures, because you think you have eternal life through them; even they testify on my behalf.

But you do not want to come to me to have life.

That's hilarious that a catholic would post this... the very thing they are NOT doing is coming to Jesus!

The catholics don't accept the Real Jesus... they follow another jesus and another gospel...

 

[BreadOfLife]

That's funny...the only stupid comments from my church are those from SDA leaders who wish to join in the ecumenical disaster that is spearheaded by the "mother church". Jesuit infiltrators, not doubt, who have a scheduled swim meet in Fire Lake soon.

You’ve completely DODGED the point again.

I asked you to provide the name of the person who made the “quote” - and the Church document it came from.

Once again – you FAILED . . .

How pathetic of you to refer to mainstream catholic literature as "non-viable sources". Why the papacy which murdered millions for the "crime" of refusing to acknowledge a piece of DEAD BREAD is the literal body of Christ so unwilling to excommunicate (or sentence to death) such persons who publish "heresies" in your works?

(BECAUSE IT AIN'T HERESY.)

Again – you posted a so-called “quote” from a publication 100 years ago - and you failed to provide the NAME of the person who said it and the DOCUMENT this supposedly came from.

This is the very definition of BOGUS . . .

You're so misinformed about catholicism, one wonders if you're a true catholic.
READ IT AND WEEP, DB:

Q. What if the Holy Scriptures command one thing, and the Pope another contrary to it?
A. The Holy Scriptures must be thrown aside, as being doubtful (u) André Du Val, Libelli de ecclesiastica et politica potestate, p. 88, 89

Andre Duvall was a French-Canadian historian and author.
He had ZERO authority in the Catholic Church – so all YOU “quoted” was a layman’s opinion.

Q. What is the Pope?
A. He is the Vicar of Christ, King of Kings, and Lord of Lords, and there is but one Judgment-Seat belonging to God and the Pope.

The Jesuits Catechism, according to St. Ignatius Loyola: for the instructing and strengthening of all those which are weak in that faith: Second Edition, London, 1681, by A H; Etienne Pasquier.​

Let the apology tour of DB begin...

As to your “quote” from Ignatius Loyola – it’s funny how the ONLY Google searches that carry it are a small handful of anti-Catholic sites.
NOTHING can be found from a primary source.

Another MASSIVE failure on your part . . .

The Word itself is "profitable...for instruction", DB. I don't need some crusty old robed fool who doesn't know the difference between an epistle and an apostle "instructing" me on anything.

Of course you don’t.

You have the insane rants of your crusty old, long-dead goddess, Ellen White to misguide you . . .

Try as you might, "binding and loosing" has NOTHING to do with granting or revoking the salvation of anyone by a mere man, especially a man who can't keep his hands out of other kid's pants.

It has to do with "church discipline" which, if done according to God's will, is approved by Him, not vice-versa.

The Catholic Church has never taught that a Pope can condemn a person’s soul.

That is just more excrement from your founder/goddess, Ellen White.
Time to leave that cult . . .

 

[Philip James]

That's hilarious that a catholic would post this... the very thing they are NOT doing is coming to Jesus!

The catholics don't accept the Real Jesus... they follow another jesus and another gospel...

Hilarious? I demonstrate that this has been the Faith of the Church for 2000 years and all you have is your own hollow denials......

Pax et Bonum

 

[Mink57]

I'm with the believers... catholiks are with the non-believers... cause they believe in a different jesus and a different gospel.

Wrong.

Yep, and this is another way catholics commit idolatry because they put what some old fuddy duddy wearing funny clothes says before what the Lord says.

WAAAY Wrong...

But the spirit the catholics are following is a demon because he keeps leading you peoples in to false doctrine.

Wrong once more...

Sorry to hear about that... the True Lord Jesus can help deliver you and set you free from the false doctrines of catholicism as they follow a different jesus and another gospel...

Not even close to true.

 

[Marymog]

That's hilarious that a catholic would post this... the very thing they are NOT doing is coming to Jesus!

The catholics don't accept the Real Jesus... they follow another jesus and another gospel...

Hey BB Johnson,

When a Catholic gets baptized, goes to church, professes Jesus as Lord and Saviour and does what He tells us to do.....How are they NOT coming to Jesus?

How do YOU define the "Real Jesus"?

Curious Mary

 

[Marymog]

I been telling poeple for years that obedience is the outward evidence of the inward conversion, but since most don't care about obedience they have no choice but to deny it.

Hey Phoneman,

What is your "outward evidence" of fulfilling Luke 22:19? Do you obey Mark 14:22-25?

Curious Mary

 

[Marymog]

I will not be asking you to pray for me... I would only do that if it were someone who actually knows God's Word is not involved in the curious arts (witchcraft)

Believe the false teachings of the catholiks if you want... I'll stick with the Lord!

Hey BB Johnson,

Who is your teacher?

Curious Mary

 

[Marymog]

Jesus said He would build His Church upon revelation knowledge, not on Peter.

Scripture proves you wrong: That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; ;)

 

[Marymog]

Since catholics forbid their minsters to marry (which is a doctrine of demons, see 1 Timothy 4:3-6) we know Peter could not have been a pope or a minister among catholics because God's Word tells us Peter was married and has a wife (Matt. 8:14-15, Luke 4:38-39)

Hey BB Johnson,

Did you know that there are married Catholic priests???

Curious Mary

 

[Marymog]

All human designed terms.
Anyone who is born again as indicated in scripture is a "Christian".

Hey Triumph,

What have you been taught on how one becomes "born again"?

IF, as your theory suggest, all one has to do is be born again to become a Christian why does the NT have 27 books (letters)? Couldn't it all be wrapped up in one book and a few sentences with instructions on how to become a Christian? (Step 1 do this, step 2 do that step 3 do this and then BAM......you are a Christan.)

Curious Mary