Catholic Preist Sings Song About Lucifer

[Robert Pate]

What certainly hasn’t changed is the anti-Catholic bias that permeates a large swath of "Christian" discussion boards that allows for sick, diabolical, insulting thread titles like this one.

It's an invitation to the mentally ill to meet sick needs. They get some kind of pleasure getting spanked. That's why we are suddenly seeing so many slanderous lies. More important, de-railing comes in handy to bury a post they cannot deal with, hence the stupid flaming zingers.

I look forward to a well thought out reply of post #187 from you-know-who. But I don't think my challenge will be accepted.

As Christians we are called to refute false doctrines and false religions. The Bible, not the Catholic church is our guide and our teacher. I consider it to be God's word to fallen man. All Catholic doctrine has been conceived by the doctrine of men. The Catholic church is the church of men.

 

[amigo de christo]

The problem with the RCC and most all within the protestant realm AND the world
is they consider anything to be anti etc bias IF IT DONT AGREE WITH THEM .
Never follow the vatican the popes or sadly even most in the protestant realm either .
TIME WE OPEN BIBLES and TIME WE FOLLOW THAT GOD AND HIS CHRIST and every lovely WORD of TRUTH in them scriptures .

 

[Mink57]

The problem with the RCC and most all within the protestant realm AND the world
is they consider anything to be anti etc bias IF IT DONT AGREE WITH THEM .
Never follow the vatican the popes or sadly even most in the protestant realm either .
TIME WE OPEN BIBLES and TIME WE FOLLOW THAT GOD AND HIS CHRIST and every lovely WORD of TRUTH in them scriptures .

Not even close to true, Amigo.

Anti "anything" is about the hostility, prejudice, hatred, mocking, closed-mindedness, ignorance and judgment that some people/groups approach some other individuals and/or some groups.

Not everyone who's a member of a certain religious denomination is a militant fundamentalist of that denomination. Do you REALLY believe that ALL Catholics adhere to EVERYTHING the Vatican/Pope says/does? Do you think that the Vatican/Pope doesn't allow for exceptions?

Hardly.

 

[amigo de christo]

Not even close to true, Amigo.

Anti "anything" is about the hostility, prejudice, hatred, mocking, closed-mindedness, ignorance and judgment that some people/groups approach some other individuals and/or some groups.

Not everyone who's a member of a certain religious denomination is a militant fundamentalist of that denomination. Do you REALLY believe that ALL Catholics adhere to EVERYTHING the Vatican/Pope says/does? Do you think that the Vatican/Pope doesn't allow for exceptions?

Hardly.

I already know that not all who are a member of any denomination is a fundamentalist of said denomination .
I also know this . ABOUT MOST all folks who though they dont necssarily agree with ALL things thier denomation teaches
YET STAY GLUED FOR UNITY , ARE IN DIRE DEEP DEADLY DESTRUCTIVE DOOMSDAY TROUBLE .
Please forgive all them D s but them D s are leading to DAMNATION . oops another D .
I also know most folks TWIST THE SCRIPS . I also know they are all now uniting under the GRAND LIE
to be as one to set aside DIFFERENCES , another D
but by that they mean DOCTRINAL TRUTH for the sake of unity . MY goodness its almost like i looked up every D in the DICTIONARY .
WE GOT PROBLEMS my friend . AND ALL DENOMINATIONS , man another D
seemth to some DEGREE , another D , TO BE UNDER IT and DECIEVED , another d , BY IT . OPEN BIBLES is all i can say .

 

[amigo de christo]

Now that is alot of D s my friends . Now dont be DUPED by men . Man the list just keeps coming to mind .

 

[Mink57]

I already know that not all who are a member of any denomination is a fundamentalist of said denomination .
I also know this . ABOUT MOST all folks who though they dont necssarily agree with ALL things thier denomation teaches
YET STAY GLUED FOR UNITY , ARE IN DIRE DEEP DEADLY DESTRUCTIVE DOOMSDAY TROUBLE .

Says WHO? YOU?

Please forgive all them D s but them D s are leading to DAMNATION . oops another D .

Again, YOU'RE the one saying that those "D's" lead to damnation. Who are YOU to 'damn'?

I also know most folks TWIST THE SCRIPS . I also know they are all now uniting under the GRAND LIE
to be as one to set aside DIFFERENCES , another D
but by that they mean DOCTRINAL TRUTH for the sake of unity . MY goodness its almost like i looked up every D in the DICTIONARY .
WE GOT PROBLEMS my friend . AND ALL DENOMINATIONS , man another D
seemth to some DEGREE , another D , TO BE UNDER IT and DECIEVED , another d , BY IT . OPEN BIBLES is all i can say .

The RCC DOES 'open the bible'. It opens it EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK. It encourages its members to 'open and read' the bible.

Sorry Amigo, but I don't want to just READ the bible; I want to LIVE it, already knowing fully well that I can't live it perfectly. I don't want to PREACH the bible; I want to LIVE IT. I don't want to just HEAR the bible; I want to LIVE it.

I want to love God. And, I want to show God I love Him by and through loving others. And I want to show others that I love them through WORKS and DEEDS toward them. After all, our DEEDS ARE important. If not, Revelation wouldn't SAY they are...

MOST denominations aren't trying to 'deceive'. They have their own interpretation of what Jesus told us to do...including the RCC.

You say, "Pick up your bible and READ it!" People DO that. Yet, they come away from it differently than you. Are THEY wrong?

Or, are YOU?

 

[Mink57]

As Christians we are called to refute false doctrines and false religions.

Yup. To a point.

The Bible, not the Catholic church is our guide and our teacher.

Yup.

I consider it to be God's word to fallen man.

Yup.

All Catholic doctrine has been conceived by the doctrine of men.

So you say. In that case, any interpretation of the entire BIBLE is also the "doctrine of men." After all, SOME say that MEN wrote the bible.

RIght?

Anyone who interprets the bible, it can be said that the interpretation is a "doctrine of men."

In that case, '*your* interpretation is no better than that RCC's. Except that the RCC does a LOT more research than you...

The Catholic church is the church of men.

So is ANY church. Supposedly. Including the churches in Revelation.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Catholics will say and do almost anything to defend their phony religion. They have no scripture because they don't believe the Bible, what they believe is Catholicism. The pope sits on his throne while Jesus hangs on the wall as the crucified Christ. It should be the other way around. The religion is not only anti-Gospel it is also anti-Christ.

That's funny.
Ignorant and stupid - but funny . . .

The Canon of Scripture was declared by the authority of the Catholic Church in the 4th century - and NOT ny any Protestant faction 1200 years later. As a matter of fact - your 16th century Protestant invention of Sola Scriptura completely depends on that Canon of Scripture - which you wouldn't even have had it NOT been for the Catholic Church.

OUCH!!

PS - We preach Christ crucified - which is a stumbling block to faithless people like YOU (1 Cor. 1:20-24) . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

The problem with the RCC and most all within the protestant realm AND the world
is they consider anything to be anti etc bias IF IT DONT AGREE WITH THEM .
Never follow the vatican the popes or sadly even most in the protestant realm either .
TIME WE OPEN BIBLES and TIME WE FOLLOW THAT GOD AND HIS CHRIST and every lovely WORD of TRUTH in them scriptures .

Now that is alot of D s my friends . Now dont be DUPED by men . Man the list just keeps coming to mind .

That's rich, coming from a Protestant . . .

 

[amigo de christo]

Rich indeed . EVERY WORD OF THE LORD IS TREASURE to a lamb . Its the words of men that must be tested .

 

[Mink57]

Rich indeed . EVERY WORD OF THE LORD IS TREASURE to a lamb . Its the words of men that must be tested .

And you know 'every word of the Lord'...HOW?

Didja ever think for a moment that SOME of the 'words of the Lord' are NOT included in the bible as we know it today?

...simply because "men" decided NOT to include them?

 

[Phoneman777]

Who said ANYTHING about a building??

The Chutch id the Body of Christ and He is the Head (Col. 1:18).

This is true. Since "church" in Greek means "called ones" and Christ says He's is where two or three are gathered, a "church" can be two or three people gathering under a tree in any obscure place on Earth.

The pope claims to be "head" of the church. Does this refer to a headship that is equal to or somewhat diminished from Christ's headship?

 

[Phoneman777]

Who's talking about "Israel??
Apostate Jerusalem means exactly wjat t says - APOSTATE.

John's not referring to Jerusalem, but to the great "falling away" apostasy which entered into Christianity. The church of the early centuries gradually became more and more corrupt, until finally this culminated into full blown apostasy when it united with the secular state (what Protestants refer to as "the papacy") in 538 A.D. to persecute Christians for "heresy" during the prophesied period of the 1,260 "days" (years), 538 A.D. - 1798 A.D.

The Protestant Reformation exposed the catholic church of that time as "antichrist" due to the church's own claim that it "takes the place of Christ" in matters of forgiveness, salvation, blessing appropropriation, eucharist, confessional, etc. Today, sincere catholics are blinded by papal leadership to the sweet simplicity of salvation by grace through faith alone - wholly apart from any illegitimate catholic intercessory priesthood. Paul says our High Priest is our intercessor, and His throne to which we all may approach "boldly" without need of any Earthly intercessor.

Not every Jew turned against God or had Jesus crucified or was involved in persecuting Christians or even the Propjets.
Those who were in charge did those things.

Some Protestants, especially ex-catholics, claim all catholics will go to hell, which is wrong. The SDA church never preaches such foolishness. Paul plainly says God "winks" at ignorance, and any sincere catholic who's only been told by his corrupt leadership that he must confess his sins to another sinful man in priestly garb, or that he must submit to the authority of the pope for salvation apart from singular faith in Christ's atoning blood for the same, is a catholic who is living up to all the light he has been shown and can fully rest in his Lord's mercy.

It's the catholics who've been shown the massive errors of catholicism, yet refuse to "come out of Babylon, My people" that will face judgment, because their faith is in the system, not the Savior.

 

[Phoneman777]

"Strove to be as non-violent as possible"?? I guess this id the kind of idiocy they indoctrinate you with at your SDA sect.
What are you gguys been smoking over there?

The pagan Romans were MASTERS of torture and grisly death, having perfected crucifixion, feeding Christiand to live beats coving them in oil and burning them alive as torches, etc.

This is HARDLY the behavior of a "reluctant" people . . .


You vomit out lies as easily as you draw breath.

That's not what I said, DB. I said Rome strove to cultivate a reputation among the ancients as "civilized" which thing in no way precludes the horrific punishments you mentioned. Put down your Strawman 101 coursebook and do a little research and you'll find I'm absolutely correct.

For starters, the St. Bartholomew's Day massacre was NOT instigated or varried out by the Church. It was Catherine de Medic who was responsible. Pope Gregpry VIII eondemned it entirely.

False. Gregory had a commemorative coin struck in honor of the massacre, did he not?
Do you expect us to believe that the same leadership that hunted "heretics" like wild animals and had coins struck in commemoration of their murders had nothing to do with the plot to murder them?

Jesus lamented over Jerusalem for the things they had ALREADY done – not for what His Church pr His Protestant followers would do later.

In the same way, John in vision of the future reports on the crimes of the catholic papacy against God and His people in the book of Revelation. Catholicism is indeed the Beast which will be cast into the Lake of Fire along with the False "apostate Protestantism" Prophet and the devil...because all these refuse to make a FULL AND COMPLETE SURRENDER to our Lord Jesus Christ.

Catholicism teaches we can be saved by our words, and Apostate Protestantism teaches we can be saved while living impenitently in the filth of sin as long as we "believe".

 

[amigo de christo]

And you know 'every word of the Lord'...HOW?

Didja ever think for a moment that SOME of the 'words of the Lord' are NOT included in the bible as we know it today?

...simply because "men" decided NOT to include them?

Yeah but if any of the some of those words contradicts the words already in scripture , IT GETS DENIED .
That is something many NO longerdo . They justgo with the flow of the ever changing direction their church or its leaders
takes them . Not gonna bode well on the DAY of the KING MESSIAH JESUS for those who did such a thing
and repented not . IF i had even a penny
for every time i have heard one say THUS sayeth the LORD
only to see by the very words said , IT WASNT FROM GOD AT ALL , well lets just say
i might not be a billioniare , but man still many pennies i would have .
And that goes with all the research i did about the faiths . yeah i read their OWN books and histories
and etc . The RCC has many decieved . But so too does the protestant realm . IT aint looking good at all .
Time to return back to bibles and get that engrained , THEN test all who do speak against THAT TRUTH

 

[Brakelite]

LOOKING FOR DIRT IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH​

If you look hard enough to find dirt, you will probably succeed. We are all sinners. A more interesting issue is why some people and institutions are the constant targets of dirt digging while others get a pass. The latest example is an article published in the September 11 edition of The Week magazine.

Devika Rao’s article, “The Catholic Church’s Latest Scandals in the US,” is inaccurate: the latest scandals are mostly old. Of the six stories dealing with sexual abuse, two go back to World War II, one is from a half-century ago, and the others are random acts of a few people. The author, whose specialty is the environment and climate control, never explains why she decided to do this piece, nor does she draw any conclusions. She is content to simply recycle old stories.

Rao obviously has no interest in looking for fresh dirt in the public schools. If she had, she would report that from 2017 to 2018, there were approximately 15,000 incidents of reported rape or attempted rape in the public schools. For the same time period, there were over 14,000 reports of sexual assault other than rape.

Moreover, consider the number of complaints filed by the Defense of Freedom Institute (DFI), between 2010 and 2019, alleging instances of sexual violence against K-12 schools: they more than tripled. DFI, as reported in City Journal, found that when public school employees are investigated for sexual abuse, “many school districts are under no legal obligation to notify parents or even note the investigation in the employee’s personnel file.” Also, under collective bargaining agreements, they “often allow for scrubbing of personnel files.”

As I recount in The Truth about Clergy Sexual Abuse: Clarifying the Facts and the Causes, sexual misconduct exists in every institution, secular and religious. Yet the media do not report on this with any degree of regularity, save for the Catholic Church.

Here’s some data about the Catholic clergy that Ms. Rao missed. Between July 1, 2021 and June 30, 2022, there were 16 allegations made by minors during that time, seven of which were substantiated. That means that of the 52,387 members of the clergy, .013 percent of them had a substantiated allegation made against him. In the first half of 2022, the number of allegation—not allegations that have been substantiated—was zero.

If Rao knows of any institution which has a better record than this, she ought to write about it. It would be breaking news.

The reason the media do not report on this, preferring to rehash old dirt, is precisely to poison the public mind. They want to give the appearance that nothing has changed. What certainly hasn’t changed is the anti-Catholic bias that permeates a large swath of the media.

Contact the senior editor at The Week, Peter Weber: [email protected]
source

I hear you. Poor journalism that reflects badly on anyone is a sad thing indeed. In order to correct the imbalance you detailed above, allow me to show some positive media news for the Vatican. Of course, not everyone here will agree with the philosophy being promoted, but I'm sure you will enjoy them.

 

[Mink57]

This is true. Since "church" in Greek means "called ones" and Christ says He's is where two or three are gathered, a "church" can be two or three people gathering under a tree in any obscure place on Earth.

The RCC does not disagree with this...

The pope claims to be "head" of the church. Does this refer to a headship that is equal to or somewhat diminished from Christ's headship?

It's not so much that the RCC believes that the Pope himself claims to be 'head'...but that Jesus appointed Peter as the 'head' of the earthly church. Hence, it's (one reason) why the RCC believes in Apostolic succession, and that Peter was the first 'Pope'.

As for his headship being 'equal to/diminished from' Christ's headship, the Pope must obey Christ just like everyone else.

 

[Mink57]

John's not referring to Jerusalem, but to the great "falling away" apostasy which entered into Christianity. The church of the early centuries gradually became more and more corrupt, until finally this culminated into full blown apostasy when it united with the secular state (what Protestants refer to as "the papacy") in 538 A.D. to persecute Christians for "heresy" during the prophesied period of the 1,260 "days" (years), 538 A.D. - 1798 A.D.

The Protestant Reformation exposed the catholic church of that time as "antichrist" due to the church's own claim that it "takes the place of Christ" in matters of forgiveness, salvation, blessing appropropriation, eucharist, confessional, etc. Today, sincere catholics are blinded by papal leadership to the sweet simplicity of salvation by grace through faith alone - wholly apart from any illegitimate catholic intercessory priesthood. Paul says our High Priest is our intercessor, and His throne to which we all may approach "boldly" without need of any Earthly intercessor.

[/QUOTE]
Wait a sec...Catholics don't believe in "faith ALONE." They never did. "Faith ALONE" is a strictly Protestant thing, and it's one reason WHY the schism happened in the first place.

Some Protestants, especially ex-catholics, claim all catholics will go to hell, which is wrong.

And, some Catholics claim that ONLY Catholics will go to heaven...

...which is also wrong. The RCC's 'official' stance on WHO will go to heaven or hell is this: That the RCC has no clue WHO will go to heaven or hell. To paraphrase Jesus, "There are tax collectors and prostitutes who are getting into the kingdom of heaven before 'you'." If a Catholic tells you (or anyone, for that matter) are going to hell, they're not very much a Catholic.

The SDA church never preaches such foolishness. Paul plainly says God "winks" at ignorance, and any sincere catholic who's only been told by his corrupt leadership that he must confess his sins to another sinful man in priestly garb, or that he must submit to the authority of the pope for salvation apart from singular faith in Christ's atoning blood for the same, is a catholic who is living up to all the light he has been shown and can fully rest in his Lord's mercy.

It's the catholics who've been shown the massive errors of catholicism, yet refuse to "come out of Babylon, My people" that will face judgment, because their faith is in the system, not the Savior.

There are "massive errors" in ALL denominations. Catholicism certainly doesn't hold a monopoly on the "errors."

 

[BreadOfLife]

This is true. Since "church" in Greek means "called ones" and Christ says He's is where two or three are gathered, a "church" can be two or three people gathering under a tree in any obscure place on Earth.

The pope claims to be "head" of the church. Does this refer to a headship that is equal to or somewhat diminished from Christ's headship?

Not exactly . . .
First of all – Jesus gave His Apostles the power to forgive sins or retain sins. That WHATEVER they bound or loosed on earth would be bound or loosed in Heaven (Matt. 16:219, Matt. 18:15-18).

Jesus didn’t give the power to the crowds that He taught. He ONLY gave it to His inner circle – the leaders of His Church. Paul makes this distinction several times:
2 Cor. 5:18-20
“And all this is from God, who has reconciled us to himself through Christ and given us the ministry of reconciliation, namely, God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting their trespasses against them and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. So we are ambassadors for Christ, as if God were appealing through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.”

In 2 Cor. 2:10, he states, “Whomever you forgive anything, so do I. For indeed what I have forgiven, if I have forgiven anything, has been for you in the presence of Christ.”

In the Greek, the word “presence” in this phrase is Prosopone, which means Person. In the PERSON of Christ is a more correct translation. Paul was indicating that they were forgiving sins in the PERSON of Christ, which is translated into Latin as In Persona Christi.

He also differentiate the role of the laity from the authority the clergy:
1 Thess. 5:12
We ask you, brothers, to respect those who are laboring among you and who are OVER YOU in the Lord and who admonish you,

1 Tim. 5:17
Let the elders that RULE WELL be counted worthy of DOUBLE HONOUR, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.

 

[Mink57]

Not exactly . . .
First of all – Jesus gave His Apostles the power to forgive sins or retain sins. That WHATEVER they bound or loosed on earth would be bound or loosed in Heaven (Matt. 16:219, Matt. 18:15-18).

Jesus didn’t give the power to the crowds that He taught. He ONLY gave it to His inner circle – the leaders of His Church. Paul makes this distinction several times:

Yup. Jesus gave his Apostles the power to forgive...and THEN some. He also gave the power to "lay hands" on others in order to receive the Holy spirit..

Who is to say that Catholics and/or other non-Catholic Christians didn't receive that same benefit?

2 Cor. 5:18-20
“And all this is from God, who has reconciled us to himself through Christ and given us the ministry of reconciliation, namely, God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting their trespasses against them and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. So we are ambassadors for Christ, as if God were appealing through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.”

In 2 Cor. 2:10, he states, “Whomever you forgive anything, so do I. For indeed what I have forgiven, if I have forgiven anything, has been for you in the presence of Christ.”

In the Greek, the word “presence” in this phrase is Prosopone, which means Person. In the PERSON of Christ is a more correct translation. Paul was indicating that they were forgiving sins in the PERSON of Christ, which is translated into Latin as In Persona Christi.

He also differentiate the role of the laity from the authority the clergy:
1 Thess. 5:12
We ask you, brothers, to respect those who are laboring among you and who are OVER YOU in the Lord and who admonish you,

1 Tim. 5:17
Let the elders that RULE WELL be counted worthy of DOUBLE HONOUR, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.