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LOL! Lie my way out of this one?
Do you really think that I am going to believe that BS. The priest said, "Jesus is the Son of Lucifer". You are also guilty of blasphemy, just like the priest, Revelation 13:6.
No, the priest didn't say that. It's *your* wrongful interpretation that the priest said that. Your own arrogance keeps you from seeing the truth.
You are not able to accept truth. I don't have a religion, what I have is faith in Christ and his Gospel. I don't hate anyone or anything. You have interpreted factual truth as hate. It appears to be hate to you because it offends your religion which is anti-Christ.
I DO accept truth. And I have SHOWN you truth. It is YOU who doesn't accept it.
I looked up Lucifer in my Zondervan Bible Dictionary, it referred me to Satan. So, I tried my Funk and Wagnalls Dictionary. It said that Lucifer is a fallen angel that led a revolt against God and is Satan. In Isaiah 14:12 it says, "How art thou fallen from heaven O Lucifer son of the morning". I must conclude that Lucifer is Satan. Your Catholic priest said, Jesus is the son of Lucifer. The Catholic church is full of blasphemies against God the Father and his Son Jesus Christ. To say that Jesus did not atone for the sins of the whole world is blasphemy,
You mean, Isaiah 14:12 in *your* bible says that. Other bible translations are as such:
What are you going to do about the priest saying that Jesus is Lucifers son?You mean, Isaiah 14:12 in *your* bible says that. Other bible translations are as such:
New International Version
How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!
New Living Translation
How you are fallen from heave, O shining star, son of the morning! ...
English Standard Version
How you are fallen from Heaven, O Day Star...
Isaiah 14:12 - Downfall of the King of Babylon
How you have fallen from heaven, O day star, son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the ground, O destroyer of nations.biblehub.com
Since Isaiah was originally written in Hebrew, the Hebrews have translated the verse as such: 12How have you fallen from heaven, the morning star? You have been cut down to earth, You who cast lots on nations.
Even the Commentaries from the Bible Hub page are in pretty close agreement that Isaiah 14:12 is NOT making a reference to "lucifer" or "satan."
Etymology online describes the origin of 'lucifer' as such:
"Belief that it was the proper name of Satan began with its use in Bible to translate Greek Phosphoros, which translates Hebrew Helel ben Shahar in Isaiah xiv.12 — "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!" [KJV] Because of the mention of a fall from Heaven, the verse was interpreted spiritually by Christians as a reference to Satan, even though it is literally a reference to the King of Babylon (see Isaiah xiv.4). Sometimes rendered daystar in later translations."
And finally, from Wikipedia, which gives a more thorough description:
Lucifer - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Oh, and just so you know that song you're criticizing is only one passage in the song. The song is from a prayer called the Exsultet found here: Exsultet - Wikipedia
You can scroll down for the latin/English version of the song.
And, by the way...on the same Wikipedia page of the Exsultet, there is also the Methodist version and the Lutheran version of the song. So, by your own 'logic', if you're condemning Catholics for 'praying to lucifer', you'd have to be condemning some non-Catholics for doing the same thing.
You really haven't read anything I've written, Robert.
Of course the priest said that and all of the people in the congregation said, amen.
Catholics cannot think for themselves. It is like a cult. They believe what they are told to believe.
All religions have evolved from Catholicism. If you don't follow the Catholic religion and do as they say it will be anathema for you. Catholics believe that you must be a member of the Catholic church or you will not be saved. So, to be anathema is to do damned to hell. This is one reason that Catholics don't rebel against their church and its doctrines.
So...you believe that Judaism evolved from Catholicism? How about Hinduism? Buddhism? Confucianism?
Who is "they"? Do you REALLY believe that the "Catholic religion" has spies around, peering into members living rooms, bedrooms and THOUGHTS? That if they approach their local parish priest with questions, that they're automatically excommunicated?
Not true. In fact, this is not even close to what the Catholic church believes and teaches.
Again, not true. If you believe that, then you don't know or understand what the Catholic Church and its doctrines are all about.
I think it's a mistake to thing all Catholics believe this, or all Methodists believe that, or all Presbyterians believe this, or all Baptists believe that.
There are some Protestant circles that seem to enjoy running down Catholics, just like there are Catholics out there who believe Protestants are inferior.
I am neither one. I am a Christian justified by grace through faith, Ephesians 2:8. Religion, whether it is Catholic or Protestant is a problem. Many Protestants are more Catholic than they are Protestant.
No, Catholicism evolved from Judaism. It is a law-based religion that is based upon works and obedience to the law. There are a lot of similarities between Judaism and Catholicism.
I am a Protestant..I read your whole explanation. It was excellent. You tried to explain it to Robert 4 times and he just ignored it, unwilling to retract his post. He is a 79 year old coot who is set in his ways - with hatred against Catholics. He won't change.
