So I took the small scroll from the angel's hand and ate it; and it was as sweet as honey in my mouth, but when I had eaten it, my stomach turned bitter.
They had to eat the Passover lamb with bitter herbs.
Can Someone Please Define What a Christian is?
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So I took the small scroll from the angel's hand and ate it; and it was as sweet as honey in my mouth, but when I had eaten it, my stomach turned bitter.
They had to eat the Passover lamb with bitter herbs.
Waiting on him
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Waiting on him
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I see it as three things sort of. Men describe it all different ways - A “second infilling of more power, a “second Baptism”, etc. I see it like…First, With a deposit but the passions still ruling over the man/still very carnal, learning what true righteousness is, then later, after he understands what true righteousness is, hungering for it and asking for it and being given a larger deposit/more grace that gives more power to overcome the passions and put them under the man, (a clean cup inside), then, sometimes, if God wills, walking IN the Spirit in Gods own holiness.(I don’t know this one, so don’t ask! I only personally know one man who was given to experience it and without his help, I wouldn’t even understand anything and would still be floundering around in the Babel of modern Christianity.) But…I don’t think it is always continual or John wouldn’t have even had to say, I was IN the Spirit on the Lords day…
It’s learning and then being and I think it’s training so that if He takes you into the holy of holies, you will not offend Him and be struck dead. They didn’t just pull a man from off the street and send him in there. There were strict instructions! And honestly…I don’t think I desire to be there. I’m enjoying just not being a murderer any more and having peace in my land without my enemies ruling me. I’m enjoying them having died or…been struck senseless, or whatever you call it.
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Aunty Jane
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Sorry, I am one of those ‘long winded’ ones who think it’s impossible to address important topics in 50 words or less....
but please bear with me.....I am hoping that the readers here have a better attention span than a goldfish......
Hebrews 11 speaks of the faithful men and women in pre-Christian times.
Hebrews 11:13 says...
“In faith all of these died, although they did not receive the fulfillment of the promises; but they saw them from a distance and welcomed them and publicly declared that they were strangers and temporary residents in the land.”
None of those who hoped for God’s Kingdom and who died in faith, received their reward because Christ had not yet come into the world to pay for their sins. Being ‘strangers and temporary residents in the land’, meant that they were looking forward to a better land.....one where they did not feel like strangers and who would not experience a temporary life, interrupted by ageing, sickness or death.
We were designed to live forever in our mortal flesh, given all the things necessary to ensure that this life did not end, and that every moment spent enjoying God’s creation would be joyous. But the devil took our first parents away into his scheme for world rulership....and the prospect of being their ‘god’.......first though, he had to separate them from Jehovah.....and all he had to do was lie to them, and lure them into disobedience.....and they were his.
We know the rest because this is our history. But do we know how God restores his first purpose?.....which never included taking humans to heaven originally. The sin of Adam introduced death and the necessity for Jesus to come to our rescue, and offer his life for ours......which he did willingly. A chosen few would be selected to assist Jesus in the administration of his Kingdom in heaven, and to act as “priests” in our behalf. (Revelation 20:6) But only those taken into the “new covenant” will have that privilege....and it is God who chooses them.
This heavenly government will have earthly subjects and will bring about the restoration of God’s first purpose during the 1000 years it will take to undo all the damage....to mankind as well as to the planet. (Revelation 21:2-4)
By paying for our release from Adam’s debt, Jesus gave us all an opportunity to receive the life we were meant to live in Paradise on earth......but like the first humans, this life is also conditional....dependent on our obedience to all of God’s commands.
The first humans had one very simple command, but the devil tricked Adam into having to choose between the love of his God, and the love of his life......he deliberately divided his loyalties.....and this tactic of “divide and conquer” has worked for him ever since.
By paying for our release, Jesus becomes our saviour, but not all will have the merits of his sacrifice applied to them. Only those who do not sell out to the devil’s deceit will make it through the end of satan’s rulership. (1 John 5:19) He has had thousands of years to perfect his craft....alone, we are no match for him, but with God’s spirit and his word, we become more powerful than he is.
Unfortunately, we humans have the propensity to alter things to suit ourselves, rather than to have the truth alter us. But we have the assurance that not a single “sheep” will perish at Armageddon.....which is the final showdown between God and his adversary.
The devil has a “rule or ruin” policy that means he knows he can’t win, but he will take as many down with him as he can deceive. We can be among them if we do not have a sound knowledge of God’s word, a clear understanding of the big picture, and the help of the Holy Spirit in having a firm grip on the truth.....”wheat among the weeds”.
Can you tell me what your big picture is SBG? Why are we going through all this?
Where are we now in the stream of time? What do you look forward to?
but please bear with me.....I am hoping that the readers here have a better attention span than a goldfish......In the big picture I see that everyone has a place.....just not the place that they imagine sometimes.
Hebrews 11 speaks of the faithful men and women in pre-Christian times.
Hebrews 11:13 says...
“In faith all of these died, although they did not receive the fulfillment of the promises; but they saw them from a distance and welcomed them and publicly declared that they were strangers and temporary residents in the land.”
None of those who hoped for God’s Kingdom and who died in faith, received their reward because Christ had not yet come into the world to pay for their sins. Being ‘strangers and temporary residents in the land’, meant that they were looking forward to a better land.....one where they did not feel like strangers and who would not experience a temporary life, interrupted by ageing, sickness or death.
We were designed to live forever in our mortal flesh, given all the things necessary to ensure that this life did not end, and that every moment spent enjoying God’s creation would be joyous. But the devil took our first parents away into his scheme for world rulership....and the prospect of being their ‘god’.......first though, he had to separate them from Jehovah.....and all he had to do was lie to them, and lure them into disobedience.....and they were his.
We know the rest because this is our history. But do we know how God restores his first purpose?.....which never included taking humans to heaven originally. The sin of Adam introduced death and the necessity for Jesus to come to our rescue, and offer his life for ours......which he did willingly. A chosen few would be selected to assist Jesus in the administration of his Kingdom in heaven, and to act as “priests” in our behalf. (Revelation 20:6) But only those taken into the “new covenant” will have that privilege....and it is God who chooses them.
This heavenly government will have earthly subjects and will bring about the restoration of God’s first purpose during the 1000 years it will take to undo all the damage....to mankind as well as to the planet. (Revelation 21:2-4)
By paying for our release from Adam’s debt, Jesus gave us all an opportunity to receive the life we were meant to live in Paradise on earth......but like the first humans, this life is also conditional....dependent on our obedience to all of God’s commands.
The first humans had one very simple command, but the devil tricked Adam into having to choose between the love of his God, and the love of his life......he deliberately divided his loyalties.....and this tactic of “divide and conquer” has worked for him ever since.
By paying for our release, Jesus becomes our saviour, but not all will have the merits of his sacrifice applied to them. Only those who do not sell out to the devil’s deceit will make it through the end of satan’s rulership. (1 John 5:19) He has had thousands of years to perfect his craft....alone, we are no match for him, but with God’s spirit and his word, we become more powerful than he is.
Unfortunately, we humans have the propensity to alter things to suit ourselves, rather than to have the truth alter us. But we have the assurance that not a single “sheep” will perish at Armageddon.....which is the final showdown between God and his adversary.
The devil has a “rule or ruin” policy that means he knows he can’t win, but he will take as many down with him as he can deceive. We can be among them if we do not have a sound knowledge of God’s word, a clear understanding of the big picture, and the help of the Holy Spirit in having a firm grip on the truth.....”wheat among the weeds”.
Can you tell me what your big picture is SBG? Why are we going through all this?
Where are we now in the stream of time? What do you look forward to?
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Aunty Jane
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The pictures painted by Isaiah are enough to make you impatient to live there.....
Isaiah 11:6-9....
“The wolf will reside for a while with the lamb,
And with the young goat the leopard will lie down,
And the calf and the lion and the fattened animal will all be together;
And a little boy will lead them.
7 The cow and the bear will feed together,
And their young will lie down together.
The lion will eat straw like the bull.
8 The nursing child will play over the lair of a cobra,
And a weaned child will put his hand over the den of a poisonous snake.
9 They will not cause any harm
Or any ruin in all my holy mountain,
Because the earth will certainly be filled with the knowledge of Jehovah
As the waters cover the sea.”
Isaiah 65:17-25....
“For look! I am creating new heavens and a new earth;
And the former things will not be called to mind,
Nor will they come up into the heart.
18 So exult and be joyful forever in what I am creating.
For look! I am creating Jerusalem a cause for joy
And her people a cause for exultation.
19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem and exult in my people;
No more will there be heard in her the sound of weeping or a cry of distress.”
20 “No more will there be an infant from that place who lives but a few days,
Nor an old man who fails to live out his days.
For anyone who dies at a hundred will be considered a mere boy,
And the sinner will be cursed, even though he is a hundred years of age.
21 They will build houses and live in them,
And they will plant vineyards and eat their fruitage.
22 They will not build for someone else to inhabit,
Nor will they plant for others to eat.
For the days of my people will be like the days of a tree,
And the work of their hands my chosen ones will enjoy to the full.
23 They will not toil for nothing,
Nor will they bear children for distress,
Because they are the offspring made up of those blessed by Jehovah,
And their descendants with them.
24 Even before they call out, I will answer;
While they are yet speaking, I will hear.
25 The wolf and the lamb will feed together,
The lion will eat straw just like the bull,
And the serpent’s food will be dust.
They will do no harm nor cause any ruin in all my holy mountain,” says Jehovah.”
Wrangler
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While “going to heaven” is often euphemistically said to mean "being with God," now that we are onto solid foods we know that our fallen world will also be redeemed and made right for us and with God.
23 But this is how it will happen: the Anointed’s awakening is the firstfruits. It will be followed by the resurrection of all those who belong to Him at His coming, 24 and then the end will come. After He has conquered His enemies and shut down every rule and authority vying for power, He will hand over the Kingdom to God, the Father of all that is. 25 And He must reign as King until He has put all His enemies under His feet. 26 The last hostile power to be destroyed is death itself. 27 All this will happen to fulfill the Scripture that says, “You placed everything on earth beneath His feet.”[a] (Although it says “everything,” it is clear that this does not also pertain to God, who created everything and made it all subject to Him.) 28 Then, when all creation has taken its rightful place beneath God’s sovereign reign, the Son will follow, subject to the Father who exalted Him over all created things; then God will be God over all.
1 Corinthians 15:23-28 (Voice)
Sorry, I one of those ‘long winded’ ones who think it’s impossible to address important topics in 50 words or less....
In the big picture I see that everyone has a place.....just not the place that they imagine sometimes.
Hebrews 11 speaks of the faithful men and women in pre-Christian times.
Hebrews 11:13 says...
“In faith all of these died, although they did not receive the fulfillment of the promises; but they saw them from a distance and welcomed them and publicly declared that they were strangers and temporary residents in the land.”
None of those who hoped for God’s Kingdom and who died in faith, received their reward because Christ had not yet come into the world to pay for their sins. Being ‘strangers and temporary residents in the land’, meant that they were looking forward to a better land.....one where they did not feel like strangers and who would not experience a temporary life, interrupted by ageing, sickness or death.
We were designed to live forever in our mortal flesh, given all the things necessary to ensure that this life did not end, and that every moment spent enjoying God’s creation would be joyous. But the devil took our first parents away into his scheme for world rulership....and the prospect of being their ‘god’.......first though, he had to separate them from Jehovah.....and all he had to do was lie to them, and lure them into disobedience.....and they were his.
We know the rest because this is our history. But do we know how God restores his first purpose?.....which never included taking humans to heaven originally. The sin of Adam introduced death and the necessity for Jesus to come to our rescue, and offer his life for ours......which he did willingly. A chosen few would be selected to assist Jesus in the administration of his Kingdom in heaven, and to act as “priests” in our behalf. (Revelation 20:6) But only those taken into the “new covenant” will have that privilege....and it is God who chooses them.
This heavenly government will have earthly subjects and will bring about the restoration of God’s first purpose during the 1000 years it will take to undo all the damage....to mankind as well as to the planet. (Revelation 21:2-4)
By paying for our release from Adam’s debt, Jesus gave us all an opportunity to receive the life we were meant to live in Paradise on earth......but like the first humans, this life is also conditional....dependent on our obedience to all of God’s commands.
The first humans had one very simple command, but the devil tricked Adam into having to choose between the love of his God, and the love of his life......he deliberately divided his loyalties.....and this tactic of “divide and conquer” has worked for him ever since.
By paying for our release, Jesus becomes our saviour, but not all will have the merits of his sacrifice applied to them. Only those who do not sell out to the devil’s deceit will make it through the end of satan’s rulership. (1 John 5:19) He has had thousands of years to perfect his craft....alone, we are no match for him, but with God’s spirit and his word, we become more powerful than he is.
Unfortunately, we humans have the propensity to alter things to suit ourselves, rather than to have the truth alter us. But we have the assurance that not a single “sheep” will perish at Armageddon.....which is the final showdown between God and his adversary.
The devil has a “rule or ruin” policy that means he knows he can’t win, but he will take as many down with him as he can deceive. We can be among them if we do not have a sound knowledge of God’s word, a clear understanding of the big picture, and the help of the Holy Spirit in having a firm grip on the truth.....”wheat among the weeds”.
Can you tell me what your big picture is SBG? Why are we going through all this?
Where are we now in the stream of time? What do you look forward to?
I don’t think you’re long winded. Or if you are, I’m glad you are.
I agree. Everyone will be in the place of Gods choosing AND it will be the place they are happiest in, doing what He made them for!
I think we are also those in Hebrews 11, waiting for the fulfillment of all the promises. New body, no sickness, no pain, a place where no one will ever be harmed or hurt or unhappy. And even before that, in the millennium, it will be so much improved it will be in no way comparable to now.
I think if I had to compare us as to where we are related to Israel’s history, we are as in their long time of not hearing from God as much. We are weak, we have struggled with so much leaven. (Talk about long winded men!)
I think we are here now being trained in righteousness and the obedience of trust to move into true righteousness in preparation for bearing the weight of His glory, which we will see with our own eyes. I don’t think God likes it that if we see His face we will die. I don’t think it’s what He wants.
I think God knew what was going to happen and allowed it to happen for a very good reason and purpose, though I can’t say what that good reason is. Maybe all He has allowed, done and is doing will prevent such horrors EVER happening again
Did I answer all your questions?.
quietthinker
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this is how I see it sbg, I don't think it's complicated. When Jesus returns in the clouds on his rescue mission from the deterioration and oppression the world is running full steam ahead to, he will come to pick up his people from all ages, he will take us back to where he is as described in 1 Thessalonians 4
The earth will be laid waste with no human life and will be the prison house of Satan for 1000 yrs.
After the 1000yrs Jesus and New Jerusalem with all God's people in it will descend to the earth to a place prepared.
All the wicked dead from all ages will be resurrected to witness the spectacle and Satan again will be animated, persuading the wicked it was by his power they were resurrected. They will conspire to take the city by force but will end up being destroyed......I think by their own hand, but that is a topic worthy of another discussion.
The Earth will be cleansed by fire and recreated to become the home of God's people.
If you belong, and I have no doubt that you do, to those looking forward to Jesus return you will have no need for concern re the devil being loosed as your pilgrimage with sin and its sordid results will be over.
Gosh…I don’t get that at all when I read about that thousand years! It’s okay that that’s how it reads to you, I just don’t see any of it and in the English language translation I think it’s kind of impossible to see that. It speaks of no more wars (but still disputes sometimes, which Jesus settles, there is still some death but men who die young will be thought accursed because men will live so much longer that they outlive the work of their hands. I always think of houses outliving men being reversed! and other pretty good things. Which translation do you read?
I do see satan released after the thousand years are up…
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quietthinker
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any translation sbg....I have a variety to refer to.
I guess you are trying to reconcile some Old Testament descriptions. The book of Revelation however gives a perspective which I think clarifies OT descriptions keeping in mind that the the OT prophets who wrote saw through a glass darkly.
Aunty Jane
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Oh my goodness
...this is like nothing like anything I have ever read in the scriptures......Christ has already returned at the beginning of the "time of the end" because we see all the evidence he gave his apostles to indicate that he was "present" (Matthew 24:3-14)......the resurrection of his elect has already taken place, and they are ready for the remaining ones of their brothers to join them so that the "marriage of the Lamb" can take place, with the full complement of his "bride".....when Christ comes back as judge, then the remaining ones on earth are gathered, and the end of this stinking, rotten world that satan has created can be cleansed of all his evil and the humans who carried it out for him.1000 years of peace will ensue where all the damage is undone and everything can return to the way God intended it to be.
With good governance, the resurrection of all the dead from their graves can take place, (John 5:28-29) many of who died in ignorance, never having heard of Jehovah or his Son. This will be a time of education, rehabilitation and reconciliation, where the human race can now be offered rule by God, a true Theocracy....something we have never experienced in a sinless state with no satan.
During the 1000 years, satan and his hordes are confined in a deep dark prison so that they cannot interfere with God's purpose to restore all that he took from them. Imagine living the life that Adam and his wife were first offered? It will be beyond our wildest expectations, but it will take a 1000 years to adjust to the perfection....something we have never known and only seen glimpses of in nature. Imagine living the life that God first intended for us.......its coming, but not to those who fall for the devil's lies.
If we have created our own delusion (which many have, being that they have formulated their very own religion in their own minds) unless you have a brotherhood who believes and practices what you believe, (1 Corinthians 1:10) it is a delusion that you have accepted...and your teacher is fool.
There is a "faithful and wise slave" appointed by Jesus to teach us the truth....(Matthew 24:45)...we just have to find him.
I think it clarifies some OT passages too, but do you believe there’s ever been 1000 years on earth that there were no wars?
I think Revelation 20 clarifies a lot and gives more.
You think the abyss satan is thrown into is earth? I don’t see that in vss 7&8…hmm…
20 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.
4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesusand because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
The Judgment of Satan
7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
quietthinker
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You lost me AJ with your statement that Jesus had returned in 1914.Oh my goodness
1000 years of peace will ensue where all the damage is undone and everything can return to the way God intended it to be.
With good governance, the resurrection of all the dead from their graves can take place, (John 5:28-29) many of who died in ignorance, never having heard of Jehovah or his Son. This will be a time of education, rehabilitation and reconciliation, where the human race can now be offered rule by God, a true Theocracy....something we have never experienced in a sinless state with no satan.
During the 1000 years, satan and his hordes are confined in a deep dark prison so that they cannot interfere with God's purpose to restore all that he took from them. Imagine living the life that Adam and his wife were first offered? It will be beyond our wildest expectations, but it will take a 1000 years to adjust to the perfection....something we have never known and only seen glimpses of in nature. Imagine living the life that God first intended for us.......its coming, but not to those who fall for the devil's lies.
If we have created our own delusion (which many have, being that they have formulated their very own religion in their own minds) unless you have a brotherhood who believes and practices what you believe, (1 Corinthians 1:10) it is a delusion that you have accepted...and your teacher is fool.
There is a "faithful and wise slave" appointed by Jesus to teach us the truth....(Matthew 24:45)...we just have to find him.
This does not resonate with my understanding of the scriptures.
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The original question was “ What is a Christian?”
A “Christian ” is anybody that has Christ living in them.....Christ is formed in your heart by Faith.....
“It is impossible to say that ‘Jesus is Lord’ without the Holy Spirit indwelling you” 1 Cor 12 :3
A “Christian ” is anybody that has Christ living in them.....Christ is formed in your heart by Faith.....
“It is impossible to say that ‘Jesus is Lord’ without the Holy Spirit indwelling you” 1 Cor 12 :3
quietthinker
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Yes, the abyss is the Earth which will be a ruin from the elements being out of control...an out of control to which they are heading right now ie, earthquakes, volcano's, floods, fires etc... with no humans. It is also the prison which Satan is bound in.....bound in a chain of circumstances ie, no humans to tempt, mislead or kill. It will only be him and his angels to contemplate the misery his reign has brought.
this applies to my previous explanation...lasting 1000 years. During this time the Saints will Be with Jesus 1000 yrs (it appears to be in Heaven)...those who are in the first resurrection as per your next quote here..
'The rest of the dead' refers to all the wicked.
Satans release coincides with the resurrection of the wicked dead (second resurrection)...he will again have people to deceive referenced as Gog and Magog. God's camp is the New Jerusalem which has come down from God from Heaven.
Satan gathers them to battle but they end up being destroyed. The text says 'fire came down from heaven and devoured them'
My view of the this event of destruction is this.....Firstly, John is describing what he saw....he saw fire from the sky. Was this God being violent? I think not, God does not use the enemy's methods to win anything. What I think it is, is the wicked nations from all time now resurrected are marshalled under their head Satan advancing on the New Jerusalem (holy city) their intent is capture.
The latest weapons are deployed en mass (nuclear no doubt) These very weapons which they harness against Jesus and his people will destroy them. These weapons will have no effect on God's people inside the city.......it will be a nuclear holocaust enveloping the whole world....the earth will become one molten mass (lake of fire) by which it is destroyed and with it sin and sinners, Satan and his hordes included.
The the earth will be recreated as described in Revelation 21.
I am open to some clarification on these things however, these are the basic scenarios I see the later chapters of Revelation describe.
I will add, there are also other events in this chain of events happening which I have not addressed.
The abyss is a pit -- the bottomless pit -- within the earth. The earth is definitely NOT the abyss.
quietthinker
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Aunty Jane
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When you realize that the Jews were able to calculate when Messiah was due to make his appearance in 29C.E. from the prophesy in Daniel.....they were waiting for him.....but the Jesus that presented himself was not what they had been told to expect. They were expecting a strong political figure who would liberate his people from the yoke of Rome and establish his Kingdom on earth.
But Jesus showed in his prophecy pointing to the conclusion of the system of things, that Jerusalem would be “trampled on by the nations, until the appointed times of the Gentiles” were fulfilled. (Luke 21:24)
“Jerusalem” represented the Kingdom of God because its kings were said to sit on “the throne of the kingship of Jehovah.” (1 Chronicles 28:4-5; Matthew 5:34-35) So, the Gentile governments, represented by wild beasts, would ‘trample’ on the right of God’s Kingdom to direct human affairs and would themselves hold sway under Satan’s control. (Luke 4:5-6)
So how long would those governments be permitted to exercise this control before Jehovah gave the Kingdom to Jesus Christ? Daniel 4:16 says “seven times” (“seven years,” AT and Mo, also JB footnote on V13). The Bible shows that in calculating prophetic time, a day is counted as a year. (Ezekiel 4:6; Numbers 14:34)
How many “days,” then, are involved? Revelation 11:2-3 clearly states that 42 months (3 1/2 years) in that prophecy are counted as 1,260 days. Seven years would be twice that, or 2,520 days. Applying the “day for a year” rule would result in 2,520 years.
When did the counting of the “seven times” begin? After Zedekiah, the last king in the earthly Kingdom of God, was removed from the throne in Jerusalem by the Babylonians. (Ezekiel 21:25-27) Finally, by early October of 607 B.C.E. the last vestige of Jewish sovereignty was gone.
How, then, is the time calculated down to 1914?
Counting 2,520 years from early October of 607 B.C.E. brings us to early October of 1914 C.E.
The first feature of the sign given by Jesus to indicate that he was ruling in his Kingdom was unprecedented war. (Matthew 24:3-14)
The Great War of 1914 was the first war in history to draw all the nations on earth into a global conflict. The last days had begun, and other features of the sign become evident....food shortages, disease epidemics, great earthquakes, increase in lawlessness, and love of neighbor dwindling down to nothing.
So we know when the last days began...we just don't know when they end......God knows. (Matthew 24:36-39)
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