But shun profane and vain babblings

[Spiritual Israelite]

Yeah right! Anyone that does not agree with Premillennialism is in darkness and is of the devil.

The real concern here is what God will do with this person who condemns other Christians the way that guy does. I wonder if Matthew 7:1-2 is in his Bible?

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Here is the only other verse besides in Revelation 20 where that phrase can be found in the original Greek manuscript:

Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first (protos) that should rise (anastasis) from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

Nice try, though, buddy.

Acts 26 is not the same end time event shown in Rev. 20 as being called “the first resurrection”. Just because you can find similar wording it does not mean it is the same end time event there buddy.

 

[Zao is life]

Again, nothing but slurs and slights in your posts. Nothing of biblical weigh in what your present.

.. and false accusations coming from you about ad-hominem attacks against you when I never even spoke to you or answered any of your posts to me.

What's the matter with you?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

What a liar you are. You keep lying about what I believe. You really do seem to think you're God who knows what I believe and do not believe.

Will you just calm down? My goodness. Do you have high blood pressure?

If I'm misrepresenting what you believe, it is certainly not on purpose, so, no, I am not lying. Has it occurred to you that maybe you're not being entirely clear? What I'm saying is based on what you're saying. You do not believe that souls are conscious in heaven, do you? It sure doesn't seem like it. But, go ahead and set the record straight right now. Do you or do you not believe that the souls of the dead in Christ are conscious in heaven right now? Yes or no, please.

You're not even shame-faced. But I'm not surprised at all.

About what? I'm not lying, I'm going by what you're saying. You have misrepresented my view many times, but I don't claim you are lying every time you do that. I know that people sometimes misunderstand what others are saying for whatever reason, but it's not on purpose.

You are the only one who believes in soul-sleep over here.

And then you go and say something ridiculous like this. You know this is not true, so should I accuse you of lying here? I repeatedly say that the souls of the dead in Christ are conscious in heaven and you go and say this, anyway. Something is very wrong with you.

 

[Zao is life]

LOL. Are you a narcissist? I wasn't talking to you there, I was talking to "Zao is life".

Your posts betray something about yourself.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Acts 26 is not the same end time event shown in Rev. 20 as being called “the first resurrection”. Just because you can find similar wording it does not mean it is the same end time event there buddy.

LOL. So, we should ignore all other scripture when interpreting Revelation 20. Right, buddy? And we should determine that if someone misinterprets Revelation 20 they must be doing it purposely and we should condemn that person to hell. Am I right, pal?

 

[Zao is life]

Will you just calm down?

I'm totally calm, and have been all along.

Your childish nonsense has gone too far (yet again). I'm out of this "discussion" with you now.

How old are you, by the way?

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Those kinds of vain babblings?

I think he meant these….

Those who say the first resurrection is past already are in error. They are of Mystery Babylon= vain babblings…

2 Timothy 2:15-18

King James Version​

15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.”

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Your posts betray something about yourself.

LOL. I can do this all day with the insults back and forth, but I'd really prefer to discuss scripture. This is what happens every time Premils have no answers for Amils. They start a contest to see who can come up with the best and most clever insults to distract from the fact that they have no response to Amils when we point out scriptures like John 5:28-29 which have all the dead being resurrected at the same time and Matthew 25:31-46 showing all people being judged at the same time and 2 Peter 3:10-12 showing all unbelievers being killed when Christ returns and so on.

 

[rwb]

The confusion is yours, though. There is only one eternal spirit - and He is not you.

Fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in gehennah because the devil lied from the beginning to Adam making him believe he had eternal life in himself.

The life you have now is in Christ, who alone possesses life in Himself.

Are you being serious?

 

[tailgator]

This is all your extra-biblical invented reasoning. The Bible nowhere teaches your 7000 years theory. Premils keep shifting the fulfilment of the 6000 years to support their error. You are no different. You make it up as you go. Nowhere in Scripture does it teach


Hosea 6:1-3: “Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up. After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight. Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.”

There is no reason to interpret these 3 days as anything other than 3 literal days. This again shows that it is Premils that are constantly spiritualizing clear literal Scripture away in order to sustain Premil. Anyway, Jesus literally fulfilled Hosea 6:2. It has already happened. Jesus said he would fulfil this, and He did. Matt 12:40 reads: "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

There is no millennium mention or inferred in this passage. You have to force it into the text. It doesn't in any way say on the 3,000th day but the 3rd day, this is symbolism/spiritualization gone crazy. Such extremities are required to make Premil fit. The reality is it is referring to Christ's glorious resurrection.

Not so. He is describing the resurrection of Christ. There is no mention of thousands. You force that into the text to support your beliefs. What is more. We are already in the 3rd thousand now, demolishing your future millennium theory.

Jesus said in Luke 24:46-49: “Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things. And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.”

1 Cor 15:3-4: "For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures."

Where? It is not mentioned anywhere else in Holy Writ, apart from the highly symbolic book of Revelation, and even then, only in the 3rd chapter before the end of the sacred text. I wish Premils quoted the full text of the Scripture that they mention to support their position. The text you mentioned make no mention of a future thousand years. No text seems safe with Premil eisegesis. Where is there any mention of an alleged future millennium in Hosea 6:2 or Luke 13:32?



Premils attempt to use this passage to argue that one eternal day with God literal equates to one thousand earthly years and that the commencement of that period starts at the time of the Second Advent. However, they do err in their assumption in that this text simply indicates the briefness of time with God. 2 Peter 3:8 does not in any way indicate a future earthly millennium kingdom anywhere in this reading. In fact, Peter is simply reminding the end-time scoffers that God is not bound by time. It is absolutely nothing to the king of glory; He ultimately sits outside of time in the realm of eternity. Time is but a I hear a Cinderella that up backyard behind the powers are offHello call LaurenContact to His infinite mind and to the eternal state. God is “from everlasting” (Habakkuk 1:12, Psalm 93:2). God is time-less.

Then you prefer to be ignorant.That is your choice then that is what you should receive.

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I'm totally calm, and have been all along.

Your childish nonsense has gone too far (yet again). I'm out of this "discussion" with you now.

How old are you, by the way?

You won't be missed. You are obviously delusional if you think you are coming across as a mature adult in these discussions with your many insults. The holier than thou act that people like you put on is not convincing.

 

[Zao is life]

LOL. At least you are not condemning us to hell like he is, so that's something, I guess. And at least you are not accusing us of claiming that the dead in Christ have already been resurrected as he is doing by associating us with 2 Timothy 2:18. As you know, we don't believe that. So, congrats on not being judgmental in that way like he is. And, at least you are not saying we are purposely adding to and/or taking away from the book of Revelation so that the plagues described in the book will come upon us along with our names being removed from the book of life as this judgmental guy Stewaredofthemystery believes. I guess in his Bible having the correct interpretation of Revelation 20 is how people are saved. I would never condemn someone just because they misinterpret Revelation 20. That's obviously crazy.

You do something else though - like repeatedly falsely stating that I believe something that I do not believe, though what I said gives you no reason to do so. I don't think your style is too many notches above his, to be honest. One thing worse than repeatedly falsely stating that someone believes something he does not, is not as bad as attaching salvation to a belief about anything in the book of Revelation though, I'll give you that.

Anyway as I said your childish nonsense has gone too far yet again so I'm out of this discussion with you.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Are you being serious?

I'm afraid he is.

 

[Zao is life]

LOL. I can do this all day with the insults back and forth, but I'd really prefer to discuss scripture.

Scripture is holy. We have both insulted what is holy too much already in this thread by mutual insults and you also by your false statements (lies) about what I believe or do not believe. Time to stop, I would say.

I want to ask you one question? Do you believe that scripture is holy?

If so, why do you carry on like this so often? Why is it that a discussion with you - in the case of many people - always seems to end up with such a degrading show?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You do something else though - like repeatedly falsely stating that I believe something that I do not believe, though what I said gives you no reason to do so.

Not on purpose no matter what you say. People misunderstand what others are saying on here all the time. Your way of communicating is not easy to follow because it's not succinct. If I misunderstood something it is certainly not on purpose.

I don't think your style is too many notches above his, to be honest.

I don't really care what you think.

One thing worse than repeatedly falsely stating that someone believes something he does not, is not as bad as attaching salvation to a belief about anything in the book of Revelation though, I'll give you that.

Hey, something we agree on then! Let's be best friends.

Anyway as I said your childish nonsense has gone too far yet again so I'm out of this discussion with you.

As if your nonsense isn't childish? Look in the mirror if you want to see someone who spews childish nonsense on a regular basis.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Scripture is holy. We have both insulted what is holy too much already in this thread by mutual insults and you also by your false statements (lies) about what I believe or do not believe. Time to stop, I would say.

There is no basis for you to say that I'm lying. Are you God? Is it not possible for someone to misunderstand someone else without doing it on purpose in your mind? Read your own post #92 again. It strongly gives the impression that you don't believe that people have consciousness after they physically die. So, what did I miss in that post that says otherwise? You can see that I'm trying to get you to clarify your view, but you just want to accuse me of lying instead. If I was lying, why would I even bother asking you to clarify what you're saying?

 

[Zao is life]

Is it not possible for someone to misunderstand someone else without doing it on purpose in your mind?

Yes. You do. This thread is not the first time you have asked me what I believe about soul sleep and not the first time I have answered you.

This is enough. Goodnight.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I want to ask you one question? Do you believe that scripture is holy?

Of course.

If so, why do you carry on like this so often? Why is it that a discussion with you - in the case of many people - always seems to end up with such a degrading show?

Look in the mirror. When I first came here, I saw you trading insults back and forth with Berean (I forget his full username). It was endless. And you have done things like that many times here. Why do you act as if you are holier than thou and don't do the very same thing that you are accusing me of? That is hypocritical.

Yes. You do. This thread is not the first time you have asked me what I believe about soul sleep and not the first time I have answered you.

This is enough. Goodnight.

Okay, just judge me then. I know the real reason you don't want to talk to me, though. You know you are completely incapable of refuting Amil arguments. You have no explanation for how you can reconcile passages like John 5:28-29, Matthew 13:36-43, Matthew 13:47-50, Matthew 25:31-46, 2 Peter 3:10-13 and others with your premil view.

 

[honeycomb]

Physical resurrection is not even the 1st resurrection believers experience - spiritual resurrection in Christ is, neither is physical resurrection the means we overcome the second death, spiritual resurrection in Christ is. So, whatever way you look at it your doctrine does not add up. Amillennialism is the only position that fits.

The First Resurrection IS spiritual. It’s immortality of the soul!

Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed — in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: "Death is swallowed up in victory." "O Death, where is your sting? O Hades, where is your victory?"

- 1 Corinthians 15:51-55