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Ritajanice

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By parents/ cults.?

To believe everything they say is the truth?

Being kept and ruled by these ignorant people,

Being kept in fear?

All you’ve known is abuse most of one’s life?

Are you a survivor of such acts.?

If it hadn’t been for God,I dread to think where I would have ended up.

Praise God, none can ever brainwash/ condition me ever again...it robs us of a normal life.

This world is rife imo , with some incredibly sick and twisted minds
 
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Commentary.

Abuse comes in many forms. A child can be brought up well clothed and fed with all his needs supplied except for the all-important need for love and approval. No physical harm is ever done to him, yet, as each year goes by, his spirit shrivels up inside him more and more, as a plant will shrivel without sunlight, desperate for the smallest demonstration of affection. Eventually, he grows to adulthood; everything seems to be normal, yet he is crippled inside by the indifference of his parents.

Then again, a child’s spirit may be broken at an early age—even though he suffers no physical abuse—by being constantly told that he is useless and a waste of space. Everything he attempts is sneered at until he gives up trying to do anything at all. Because very young children naturally believe what their parents say about them, the child who suffers this treatment will gradually withdraw into himself, retiring behind an invisible wall and simply existing rather than living. These children grow up never suffering physically at the hands of their parents but nevertheless crippled in their spirits. As grown-ups, they find it difficult to make friends and are unable to relate normally to other adults.

So, child abuse can be subtle. There is, of course, the more obvious kind—when a child is neglected, kicked and beaten and, worse still, sexually abused. The damage such abuse causes can last a lifetime.
 
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So, child abuse can be subtle.
This is very true. Let me give a personal example. Three and a half years ago my father died in his 90's. We travelled to visit him and arrived a day before he died. Under morphine, he just barely recognized me. I had always loved and respected my father, and saw in him a truly godly, intelligent man, who did his best to raise his four children to serve the Lord, and to provide a consistent example of faithfulness for us all his life. But unfortunately, he also came with some really twisted theology that it took me years to recognize just how crazy my parents' beliefs were that had saturated their thinking.

My brother chose to read a selection from my father's personal diary at our family gathering the day of his funeral. In this diary entry, my dad recounted how he and our mom had tried to have a son born first, so that my father could be assured of an heir to pass his inheritance to, and to carry on the family name. After having three daughters one after the other to start their family, a friend finally counseled them in some natural remedies they could try, in order to optimize the chances of having a male child the next time. These remedies succeeded, and my brother, the 4th and last child, was finally born. "We found out too late", was my father's written comment at the end of this diary entry.

I was stunned to hear this. In other words, we three daughters my mother had (unfortunately) given birth to first of all were essentially considered a "mistake" compared to the vastly more important "heir apparent" who should have been born first. We three girls should have been born last, at the very least. We female children were categorized secondary in importance, for certain. And I have already mentioned on this website in the closed "Obedience" thread that we were taught from childhood that as wives, we were to obey our husbands in everything - even if they commanded us to commit a sin. In this case, God would place the blame for that sin on our husbands instead of us, they taught us. This was pure idolatry, as I should have known. No one can bear the guilt of another's sin but Christ Jesus alone.

My father in glory has been perfected of this gross error (and others) by now, thank God. But it explains quite a lot of how we three girls were treated over the years, compared to my brother. I do not resent my brother. He, too, has grown to be a most godly man like my father, faithful in all things (but also with some skewed theology). It was not his fault that my parents had such a misguided attitude towards the female gender.

But it is very discouraging knowing that the very Christian influence they labored to instill in us also included the abusive training that corrupted the very scriptures they were trying to teach us. This set up all three of us girls to have marriages in which we were pre-programmed to be doormats. Thankfully, God is able to use even gross errors to turn them to good for His children - including His beloved daughters.

Like you Ritajanice, I can now recognize the signs of an authoritarian bully from a mile away. With sixteen past years in a cult church environment which my husband insisted we both join back in the 80's (corporal punishment for wives recommended in the men's meetings), I have learned to never... NEVER... N E V E R believe another person if what they teach me is counter to what the Holy Spirit inside me is teaching me from God's word. The scriptures equally belong to me to understand and interpret, as well as any titled author, professor, doctor of divinity, pastor, evangelist, husband, etc.. In God's eyes, He tends to "hide things from the wise and prudent, and reveal them unto babes. Even so Father, for so it seemed good in Thy sight."

We are all Babes on this particular forum, so the bread is actually buttered on our side.
 
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My daughter’s future mother-in-law asked how I raised my daughter to have her head on straight and be so wise so young.

1st, I have my stock answer that parents always take credit for the good and no responsibility for the bad that their children do.

To the extent I had any influence on my daughter’s character it was because of this; I did not teach her WHAT to think. Instead, I taught her HOW to think, confident that she’d arrive at the proper conclusion. God willing, they will raise their children the same way. So far, so good.
Thank you so much for your post wrangler..very insightful...sadly this is a woman’s only forum, no men allowed, I think admin said, not sure,I think they will be starting a men’s only forum soon,x

Are you a lady wrangler , I thought you were a man, apologies if your a lady.if you’re a lady I will delete my post, just let me know.
 

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My daughter’s future mother-in-law asked how I raised my daughter to have her head on straight and be so wise so young.

1st, I have my stock answer that parents always take credit for the good and no responsibility for the bad that their children do.

To the extent I had any influence on my daughter’s character it was because of this; I did not teach her WHAT to think. Instead, I taught her HOW to think, confident that she’d arrive at the proper conclusion. God willing, they will raise their children the same way. So far, so good.
This is the Women's Only forum. Why are you butting in where you do not belong??
 

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Thank you so much for your post wrangler..very insightful...sadly this is a woman’s only forum, no men allowed, I think admin said, not sure,I think they will be starting a men’s only forum soon,x

Are you a lady wrangler , I thought you were a man, apologies if your a lady.if you’re a lady I will delete my post, just let me know.
I believe Wrangler is a man.
 
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I’m still having difficulty getting the words out , on how my mother favoured her darling boys, I can’t stand them, I have seen me spit on the ground when I’ve passed one in the street, that was some years back...that’s how much they mistreated me, so I was showing him what I thought of him.i was mute in that family for years, everything pushed down ...

Not Godly I know, I just ask God help me to overcome this anger I still feel towards them..God let’s me be me.....he doesn’t ever stop me from expressing my feelings...there is a road I’m on to forgiveness, I know that...
 
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I just ask God help me to overcome this anger I still feel towards them..God let’s me be me.....he doesn’t ever stop me from expressing my feelings...there is a road I’m on to forgiveness, I know that...
I totally recognize that road. It is a path with specific phases in it that cannot be skipped over. I would compare that road to the grieving process at the sudden death of someone beloved. They say one passes from stunned, shocked denial, to profound weeping, then exhaustion, then to anger - maybe even at God, then onward to a more calm spirit, then to acceptance, and finally the ability to once again experience moments of joy or even thankfulness in remembrance. Or something similar to that.

Long-term trauma requires virtually the same path to process the memories. Because it is like dealing with the death of the person you wish you could have been without all the attached baggage. There are no shortcuts or detours on this road.

I well remember the utter despair of feeling as if I were a tortured, impaled insect mounted on a board while God enjoyed watching my struggles to escape. Bitterness is ugly, and I struggled with it for many years. In spite of all my efforts to follow Him faithfully from my youth upward, God still had allowed certain evil things to happen to me, and at the hands of those who were Christians. In one of my angriest moments, I told the senior pastor's wife that I thought God was an egotistical p**ck. That I was only waiting for my husband to cheat on me or for me to die in order to have deliverance - neither of which happened.

Even as I said those words to her, a tiny comforting voice inside told me that my Father God was big enough in mercy and patience to allow me to flail away at Him without crushing me for my anger at Him.

A big step in healing came with the answer to my very specific prayer for our son who was deployed in wartime overseas. Without going into the full story for the moment, God handed both him and our family a literal miracle of deliverance on a silver platter. I felt like repeating Hagar's statement of faith when she said in the wilderness, "Thou God seest me". I had been seen, and I had been heard. Personally, and in specific detail to my request.

A further step in healing came about a decade ago. For several years, I had daily been digging into the most intensive Bible studies I had ever done in my entire Christian life on eschatology themes. I was weary of getting no answers to my questions from anybody, and decided that God could speak to me just as well as He could speak to a pastor. I started a diary on what God began to show me on a daily basis. It was like manna in the wilderness - just enough of revealed truth every day to lead me a step further. It soon became apparent that I would have to jettison most of what I had been taught from my childhood and upward in order to remain true to what scripture was saying.

By now (12-13 years down the road), my continual eschatology studies over this time span have yielded so many answers to every question I ever had that it astonishes me that God would take the time to give all this information to me - a woman studying on her own, with merely a high school diploma to my credit. And I was finally able to actually thank God for every harsh thing that had ever happened to me. Because it had prepared me in very specific ways, and led me to a place where God could entrust me with the most precious gift of understanding His Word. Truly, just as God promised, if you seek Him, you will find Him, if you search for Him with all your heart.

My husband (who is ordained with an MDiv., and now serves as one of the elders at the SBC church I no longer attend) now calls me a heretic with perverted doctrine. We have grown poles apart by now. We can no longer converse about the scriptures at all because he explodes with anger at every point I attempt to bring up. I have learned to simply release him to God, without trying to have any meeting of minds about scripture subjects anymore. I cannot possibly unlearn what God has given me from His Word. And I have begged God not to let me believe a lie. If I am in error on anything, I want Him to show me so that I can dump it. My reliance is on Him alone. I am done with depending on so-called professionals who have so often led believers astray.

"They that seek the Lord understand all things". This is the verse I try to cling to, just like a child. As I wrote on another forum, I can feel His face turned towards me now, and I never want to leave His feet.
 
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Plus my aunty lived next door to us and I never knew she was my Dads sister, not until I was older, the family of boys had nothing to do with her, my mother told me she had mental problems, she was sectioned to park prewett Basingstoke on many occasions, the place has closed down now I believe.. if she lived in what I lived in, then it wouldn’t surprise me that she had mental health problems..like me, she was the only girl....it’s like I’m piecing everything together.

I’ve never been able to share this with anyone , it’s good that we can come here and offload, without all that judgement.
 

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Sisters, I am busy reading an excellent book called:

Redeeming Power: Understanding Authority and Abuse in the Church

Diane Langberg.

She has a ministry to the spiritually abused in the church, and I am finding this book to be excellent but don't come back to bite me if she goes south later on in it! I am not quite halfway through it.

I have suffered extreme levels of abuse all of my life and only woke up this past year, to the narcissistic family system in which I was raised which led me to be open to further abuse in two marriages and spiritual abuse in the church.

I am coming to see it as a gift, that allows me to understand scripture at a much more deeper level as miraculous healing is taking place in me and I fall in love with my Saviour over and over again.

Those who have known serious abuse and have recovered are giants in spiritual warfare and what the world needs now.
 

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Sisters, I am busy reading an excellent book called:
Redeeming Power: Understanding Authority and Abuse in the Church
Diane Langberg.
Thank you for bringing this up. I read the sample of this book that amazon provided. This would be well worth purchasing from what I can see. My one red flag is that she uses the term "authority" for the power that the church is to wield. I don't believe Christ meant for the church He founded to be so adamant about any inherent, so-called "authority" structure in and of itself. Pastoring is a servitude and a ministry instead of any imaginary "office" (a point which I think this author would actually agree with). The only real "authority" is the headship of Christ over all things to the church, and the authority of the scriptures themselves which were given to one and all to study and use.

With the saturation of men leading the church and barring women from joint leadership in the ministry, it has morphed into something unrecognizable to the ideal that Christ intended. There is no real balance or representation of both male and female influences leading most of the church assemblies. As in a family unit, God intended these two perspectives to jointly raise children to maturity. Single parent families are at a definite disadvantage - whether that single parent is either male or female. Same for the church family.

Because men tend to default to war, the male-dominant church over the past centuries has been plagued with an imbalanced, overly-militant presence; at once both heavy-handed, and oppressively authoritarian over the flock, of which Christ is truly the actual Chief Shepherd over all. For example, can we say "Inquisition"? Christ strongly cautioned His disciples in Matthew 20:25-28 against this exercise of authority over the flock, (just like the Gentiles were accustomed to do), but the church has unfortunately continued to default to that same bad habit.

Those who have known serious abuse and have recovered are giants in spiritual warfare and what the world needs now.
A question, Hepzibah. What exactly do you mean by "spiritual warfare" needed today?
 
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Thank you for bringing this up. I read the sample of this book that amazon provided. This would be well worth purchasing from what I can see. My one red flag is that she uses the term "authority" for the power that the church is to wield. I don't believe Christ meant for the church He founded to be so adamant about any inherent, so-called "authority" structure in and of itself. Pastoring is a servitude and a ministry instead of any imaginary "office" (a point which I think this author would actually agree with). The only real "authority" is the headship of Christ over all things to the church, and the authority of the scriptures themselves which were given to one and all to study and use.

Yes agreed, and later, so does she. She emphasizes that we are compliant if we do not stand up and speak up.
With the saturation of men leading the church and barring women from joint leadership in the ministry, it has morphed into something unrecognizable to the ideal that Christ intended. There is no real balance or representation of both male and female influences leading most of the church assemblies. As in a family unit, God intended these two perspectives to jointly raise children to maturity. Single parent families are at a definite disadvantage - whether that single parent is either male or female. Same for the church family.

Because men tend to default to war, the male-dominant church over the past centuries has been plagued with an imbalanced, overly-militant presence; at once both heavy-handed, and oppressively authoritarian over the flock, of which Christ is truly the actual Chief Shepherd over all. For example, can we say "Inquisition"? Christ strongly cautioned His disciples in Matthew 20:25-28 against this exercise of authority over the flock, (just like the Gentiles were accustomed to do), but the church has unfortunately continued to default to that same bad habit.

After finishing the book, I think everyone in the church should read it.
A question, Hepzibah. What exactly do you mean by "spiritual warfare" needed today?

Speaking out against what is accepted as normal.
 
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Speaking out against what is accepted as normal.
Okay, just checking on what you consider "spiritual warfare" to be. I should forewarn you that with my eschatology studies, I see scripture texts teaching that Christ eliminated the entire wicked Satanic realm completely back in AD 70. The entire body of unclean spirits were to "pass out of the land" at that point (Zech. 13:2).

Scripture passages teach me that God burned Satan the "anointed cherub" to ashes upon the earth back in AD 70 so that "never shalt thou exist anymore" (Ezekiel 28:18-19). So anybody in a "deliverance ministry" today of exorcising devils or battling Satan is wasting their energy trying to deal with a set of foes that no longer exists in this world.

The "spiritual warfare" we deal with at present is with our own heart's wicked desires as well as the "children of the devil" (as Christ called the Pharisees). Ever since AD 70, humanity has had no one but themselves to pin the blame on for their evil practices. "Spiritual warfare" is the family members of Christ's kingdom destroying the strongholds of wicked humanity exercising evil in this world. It is not three enemies which we struggle with ("the world, the flesh, and the devil"). The battle progress is one down, and two to go at this point. God eliminated Satan our great enemy and his hosts back in AD 70, and has been incrementally growing His "stone" kingdom in this world ever since.