Born Again = Not a Sinner

[Taken]

So, no more sinners saved by grace. I'm going to miss those guys.

However, they can't yet call themselves saints, because they still do the works of the flesh like all other named sinners.

The only ones named sinners by God now, are unbelievers that do the works of the flesh, while those naming the name of Christ doing the same things, are not allowed to be named sinners by God.

They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

Weird and Deaf.

 

[robert derrick]

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Now that there are those who do the works of the flesh, who say they are not also sinners, then both sinners and nonsinners alike will not inheriting the kingdom of God.

In the end therefore, only them that know Jesus and keep His commandments will inherit His kingdom. Not calling ourselves sinners doesn't help much.

 

[robert derrick]

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Since a work of iniquity is a work of known sin, then are we now not allowed to call it a work of the flesh?

 

[Behold]

N will inherit His kingdom.

The born again already exist in the Kingdom of God. "seated in heavenly places", in Christ".

 

[Behold]

then are we now not allowed to call it a work of the flesh?

When you sin, what have you been calling it?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

@robert derrick

Let me help you get started with listing the Laws the Apostles Wrote with a simple concise format for all to see.

1) Apostles Name;
** A) Law this Apostle wrote;
** B) Scriptural reference;

Ephesians 4 & 5 is a good example. Too lengthy to post here. Then there's Colossians 3 & 4.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

When you sin, what have you been calling it?

SIN...because that's what the Bible calls it:

"in your struggle against SIN" Hebrews 12:4​

 

[Taken]

The born again already exist in the Kingdom of God. "seated in heavenly places", in Christ".

He can not separate and delineate Spiritual Understanding and Carnal Understanding.

 

[Behold]

SIN...because that's what the Bible calls it:

"in your struggle against SIN" Hebrews 12:4​

That verse is speaking as an analogy.
Its relating how Jesus Strived agains sin, to the point of BLOOD pouring out..
So, that is not saying that the born again are sinners., but you would now know that, as your bible understanding isn't related to discernment.

See, Jesus was a man, under the law, yet without Sin., and the struggle that He faced, during His Passion.....is what Paul is talking about, relating it to all of us who have no idea what that is like, nor will we ever.

So, what you should do, is stop trolling my Thread with your theological ignorance, Ferris.
But im sure you wont, as, you have no other reason to be on the Forum.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

SIN...because that's what the Bible calls it:

"in your struggle against SIN" Hebrews 12:4​

For some Sin and Still Be Saved Salvationists:

This has to do with their false belief in Dual Nature Theology.
They believe they can sin in the flesh or physically, but they don't believe they sin in the spirit because Jesus paid for all their sins on a spiritual level. This is just false theology because Paul says in 2 Corinthians 7:1, “...let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.”

So we are told to cleanse ourselves from ALL filthiness of the flesh AND spirit perfecting holiness in the FEAR of God. There is no fear of God in their belief. They can just party it up and believe in Jesus and they are saved. Granted, not all of them may party it up and sin excessively, but if they are teaching they can sin and still be saved on some level they are treating God's grace as a license to sin (Which can lead others to treat God's grace as a license to sin in an extremely bad way). In either case, justifying even one sin will condemn a person before God. That's what many of them are not getting.

 

[Behold]

They can just party it up and believe in Jesus and they are saved.

A real believers "party" is the Joy of the Lord.

 

[Behold]

...let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.”

Notice also that Paul didnt say to cleanse yourself of your SIN.
Why didnt he?
Because if you are born again, "Jesus BECAME sin", for you, and so its dealt with 2000 yrs ago, on the Cross.
The born again are "Made Righteous". having become "the righteousness of God, in Christ"

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Notice also that Paul didnt say to cleanse yourself of your SIN.
Why didnt he?
Because if you are born again, "Jesus BECAME sin", for you, and so its dealt with 2000 yrs ago, on the Cross.

What English grades did you get in high school?
He says... us (Which includes his readers).

 

[Bible Highlighter]

A real believers "party" is the Joy of the Lord.

There is no true joy for you.
Sorry, you worship another God other than the God of the Bible.
God cannot agree with another believer's thinking they can sin and still be saved because God is good.

 

[Behold]

What English grades did you get in high school?
He says... us (Which includes his readers).

The born again dont read the bible to understand it.....we study it so that God gives to us revelation. This is to Discern the word of God.
Reading it gets you nothing, as you have proven since '1993, Bible Highlighter.

 

[Behold]

Sorry, you worship another God other than the God of the Bible..

And you're a deceiver and a Cross Denier, as proven by the fact that you don't have any CROSS OF CHRIST in your Theology.
So, that will find you out one day.
Believe it, Bible Hightligher.
That day is coming.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

The born again dont read the bible to understand it....

Reading it gets you nothing

Madness!!!

“And it shall be with him, and he shall read therein all the days of his life: that he may learn to fear the LORD his God, to keep all the words of this law and these statutes, to do them: That his heart be not lifted up above his brethren, and that he turn not aside from the commandment, to the right hand, or to the left…” (Deuteronomy 17:19-20)

 

[Taken]

SIN...because that's what the Bible calls it:

"in your struggle against SIN" Hebrews 12:4​

AND...IF....<—-> Caveat, to CHANGE something.

So, IF; you struggle with SIN...IS there ANYTHING you can do about it? Hope, wish, ignore, complain, talk about it, have a hissy fit.....etc.?

OR IS THERE ANY OPTION TO GET RID OF SIN?

Inanutshell......most of the NT is about an OPTION “TO” get rid of Sin...
AND HOW TO accomplish “getting rid of Sin”.

Conversion...Baptism of Gods Holy Spirit. OVERCOMING Sin. Gods Spirit dwelling “IN” you. 24-7 Keep you from SIN 24-7 BY His Power. And that outer thingy to “PROTECT” your outside...You know that ARMOR God outfits you with?

Forgiven of Sin, Cleansed of Sin, Gods Power in you, Gods Armor on your outside.....

IF...you have opted and accepted those offerings...
What SIN are you STILL struggling with?

Hasn’t Heb 12:4 been addressed, put away, no longer applicable?

 

[Behold]

Madness!!!

Here is your madness. Its on you.

2 Timothy 2:1

15 STUDY.....(not read), but STUDY STUDY STUDY.... to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.""

See, you READ a newspaper, or a comic book, but you STUDY the word of God to get the LIGHT.. as that is how you "rightly divide" the spiritual word of God.
You DISCERN IT, by STUDY.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

you're a deceived Heretic, and a filthy liar, and a Cross Denier

You mad bro?