Believing on Christ is a evidence of being born again !

[ProDeo]

You said the Bible convinced you ...where does the Bible tell you that it convinces you ,that your spirit is Born Again?
There is nowhere in the word that says any of what you have said on a previous post

By accident I clicked on a thread I was not supposed to read, if you know what I mean, so in order not to make things more complicated (you are busy enough as I just noticed) I will only address this question by a testimony of 50 years ago which I still remember as if it was yesterday.

The Lord God baptized me in His love (by the lack of a better description) an irresistible experience impossible to refuse, I became born again without knowing that, I later learned that from Scripture. And I was walking home from the house of my fiance who I was going to marry in about the next 3 months, still pondering about the wonderful thing that happened to me. I just knew 3 things, a) God existed, b) He was full of love and c) He was holy. And while walking home (as always) I came along my regular cafe where I came 5/6/7 days a week to have a good time, meet friends, play some cards, or billiards. And there was a thought, don't go there, I did not understand, saw nothing bad and went anyway, and it did not feel good. And I went again and I saw the bad things I did not see before and decided not to go any longer. It's only in retrospect that I understood it was the indwelling Holy Spirit had spoken to me in my carnal mind. Just as Scripture told me years later -

John 16:4 But I have said these things to you, that when their hour comes you may remember that I told them to you. “I did not say these things to you from the beginning, because I was with you.
John 16:5 But now I am going to him who sent me, and none of you asks me, ‘Where are you going?’
John 16:6 But because I have said these things to you, sorrow has filled your heart.
John 16:7 Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you.
John 16:8 And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment:
John 16:9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in me;
John 16:10 concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father, and you will see me no longer;
John 16:11 concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.
John 16:12 “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.
John 16:13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.
John 16:14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.
John 16:15 All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.

Next, still unsure and figuring out what happened to me and on a certain moment I was in a book store looking for a book to read for the upcoming weekend. I was in a hurry and could not make up my mind quickly, then I saw a book "The late great planet" and without reading the back side I took it because I liked science fiction. And guess what? It was not science fiction, it was about the Bible. And the book put me on the right track up to a point I wanted to know everything about God, still do. One of those reasons I like a Bible forum, you can share and learn from others.

My spirit is Born Again...of course I understand exactly where you are coming from ...when you say..she is convinced that the Holy Spirit speaks to her, I can’t convince myself of anything....the Holy Spirit testifies with my spirit Gods word and truth......when you say ,she is convinced that the Spirit speaks to her, that’s you thinking from your natural man, imo..........maybe you are a main line Christian and aren’t Born Again....I mean you are being honest above about me, let’s be honest, you are certainly referring to me above.
So now, I believe I can be honest with you, I’m not taking offence whatsoever on what you have said about me ...remember what God says about the natural man, they have no discernment...when it comes to understanding Spiritual matters...I mean at your rebirth, were you given a new heart/ spirit? do you have spiritual ears and eyes?..do you even know what they are...?

Yes I do, see above.

Another thing how can reading a Bible conform you into Jesus image?
Do you understand that the Living Spirit in our spirit is at work all day every day, conforming us into Jesus image..,,can you see your “ spiritual “ growth .as you look back to when you were a new babe...or have you only grown in head knowledge?...like a few on here have..yet I see no spiritual growth in them?

How could I possibly know about my rebirth without the Scriptures?

See your own signature.

I want to know everything about God.

According to quite a few on here according to you also, that I’m wrong and that I have everything backwards.

NOT everything [!]

Just a last step, trust the Scriptures.

Not according to God’s Living Witness I don’t...I only go by his testimony alone....men/ woman are confused and it shows on many posts.
I stand on God’s Living testimony....I don’t stand on men’s/ woman’s testimony.
We are Born Of The Spirit......we are not Born Again by believing and reading scripture....being Born Again is a supernatural divine heart revelation experience, it’s a testifying with our spirit that we are Gods Children...
A mind blowing experience....I mean, who gets Gods Living testimony witnessing that truth to one’s spirit?

That.

Indeed.

Life changing, isn't it?

 

[Ritajanice]

Amen! I notice how the atmosphere changes (in a good way) when the name of JESUS is lifted up. It was faith in Jesus (that He gave me) that reconciled me to the Father (because the Father and Son are one..

Not according to my belief they aren’t, they are Father and Son..they are not one.

...who has the Son has the Father also, and who has not the Son has not the Father)..

That’s not how the Bible confirms how we are Born Of The Spirit

.... CHRIST came to dwell in my heart by faith in HIM....HIS Spirit, HE, HIM, JESUS, in my heart. My living testimony. Thank you Lord.

Again that is not how the Bible confirms how we are Born Of The Spirit
We are Born Of The Spirit..The Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are the children of God.

That is your testimony...which I respect, that is your own personal testimony......I suggest that you do the same with my Living testimony....respect it......do you understand this scripture?

Heirs with Christ

12Therefore, brothers, we have an obligation, but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. 13For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.

15For you did not receive a spirit of slavery that returns you to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption to sonship, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!” 16The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. 17And if we are children, then we are heirs: heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ—if indeed we suffer with Him, so that we may also be glorified with Him.

Future Glory
(2 Corinthians 5:1–10)

18I consider that our present sufferings are not comparable to the glory that will be revealed in us. 19The creation waits in eager expectation for the revelation of the sons of God. 20For the creation was subjected to futility, not by its own will, but because of the One who subjected it, in hope 21that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.

22We know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until the present time. 23Not only that, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. 24For in this hope we were saved; but hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what he can already see? 25But if we hope for what we do not yet see, we wait for it patiently.

26In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know how we ought to pray, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groans too deep for words. 27And He who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.


As we also see here, the word of God liveth and abideth forever....that’s because his word is Alive and Active.

The Bible won’t liveth and abideth forever, because it’s a book...it can be destroyed....the words that come out of Gods mouth can never be destroyed....that’s why we must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God....that can only happen by an act of God....man cannot make their spirit Born Again.

1 Peter 1:23​

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King James Version​

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23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

We should also be bearing fruit of the Spirit as a Born Again...we are being conformed into Jesus image, by the power that indwells our heart, the Holy Spirit.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

 

[Ritajanice]

By accident I clicked on a thread I was not supposed to read, if you know what I mean, so in order not to make things more complicated (you are busy enough as I just noticed) I will only address this question by a testimony of 50 years ago which I still remember as if it was yesterday.

The Lord God baptized me in His love (by the lack of a better description) an irresistible experience impossible to refuse, I became born again without knowing that, I later learned that from Scripture. And I was walking home from the house of my fiance who I was going to marry in about the next 3 months, still pondering about the wonderful thing that happened to me. I just knew 3 things, a) God existed, b) He was full of love and c) He was holy. And while walking home (as always) I came along my regular cafe where I came 5/6/7 days a week to have a good time, meet friends, play some cards, or billiards. And there was a thought, don't go there, I did not understand, saw nothing bad and went anyway, and it did not feel good. And I went again and I saw the bad things I did not see before and decided not to go any longer. It's only in retrospect that I understood it was the indwelling Holy Spirit had spoken to me in my carnal mind. Just as Scripture told me years later -

Yes, that is your own testimony..which I respect....plus your own private testimony, is none of my business it’s between you and God........you say that you didn’t know what happened, you had to read scripture.

I knew exactly what happened to me , the moment the Spirit testified with my spirit that I was God’s child, I knew in my spirit that I was Born Again....I did not need to read any scripture to know that.

John 16:4 But I have said these things to you, that when their hour comes you may remember that I told them to you. “I did not say these things to you from the beginning, because I was with you.
John 16:5 But now I am going to him who sent me, and none of you asks me, ‘Where are you going?’
John 16:6 But because I have said these things to you, sorrow has filled your heart.
John 16:7 Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you.
John 16:8 And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment:
John 16:9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in me;
John 16:10 concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father, and you will see me no longer;
John 16:11 concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.
John 16:12 “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.
John 16:13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.
John 16:14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.
John 16:15 All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.

Heirs with Christ

12Therefore, brothers, we have an obligation, but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. 13For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.

15For you did not receive a spirit of slavery that returns you to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption to sonship, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!” 16The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. 17And if we are children, then we are heirs: heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ—if indeed we suffer with Him, so that we may also be glorified with Him.

Future Glory
(2 Corinthians 5:1–10)

18I consider that our present sufferings are not comparable to the glory that will be revealed in us. 19The creation waits in eager expectation for the revelation of the sons of God. 20For the creation was subjected to futility, not by its own will, but because of the One who subjected it, in hope 21that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.

22We know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until the present time. 23Not only that, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. 24For in this hope we were saved; but hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what he can already see? 25But if we hope for what we do not yet see, we wait for it patiently.

26In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know how we ought to pray, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groans too deep for words. 27And He who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.

Next, still unsure and figuring out what happened to me and on a certain moment I was in a book store looking for a book to read for the upcoming weekend. I was in a hurry and could not make up my mind quickly, then I saw a book "The late great planet" and without reading the back side I took it because I liked science fiction. And guess what? It was not science fiction, it was about the Bible. And the book put me on the right track up to a point I wanted to know everything about God, still do. One of those reasons I like a Bible forum, you can share and learn from others.

So, my question is, I can’t relate to you being unsure, because I was 100% sure the moment my spirit was birthed, that I was a child of God, because that is what God’s Living testimony witnessed to my spirit ...

I don’t need to look at any scripture to know that I was Supernaturally birthed by the Living Spirit Of God.

Yes I do, see above.


How could I possibly know about my rebirth without the Scriptures?

I don’t need any scripture to know that my spirit is Born Again, the scripture confirms that the Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children, he spoke to my spirit as he was indwelling me...I knew in my spirit, how else could I know God without His Living testimony...witnessing that truth to my heart/ spirit?

If I never had a Bible again in my life, I 100% know that I am Born Of The Spirit, Gods Living testimony witnesses that truth to my spirit since day one,,all day every day.

The scriptures don’t testify to our spirit, the Living Spirit does, the Bible confirms this.

See your own signature.

I want to know everything about God.

I crave to know the Living Heart Of God, my heart craves to know his heart more, because my spirit belongs to him, as it’s been Born Of His/ The Spirit..

I crave to me more like Jesus..,in spirit, I don’t crave to be like the Bible....the Bible confirms how we will be conformed into Jesus image.....we should also be bearing the fruit of the Spirit.

NOT everything [!]

Just a last step, trust the Scriptures.

I don’t need to trust the scriptures, they didn’t birth my spirit..the Living Spirit did.

That.

Indeed.

Life changing, isn't it?

As we also see here, the word of God liveth and abideth forever....that’s because his word is Alive and Active.

The Bible won’t liveth and abideth forever, because it’s a book...it can be destroyed....the words that come out of Gods mouth can never be destroyed....that’s why we must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God....that can only happen by an act of God....man cannot make their spirit Born Again.

1 Peter 1:23​

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King James Version​

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23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

 

[Ritajanice]

 

[Ritajanice]

 

[Ritajanice]

 

[Ritajanice]

By accident I clicked on a thread I was not supposed to read, if you know what I mean, so in order not to make things more complicated (you are busy enough as I just noticed

No matter my situation....I am never to busy to talk/ Praise / worship/ Honour/ Glorify my Father God on the forum....all my problems aren’t there when I’m doing that, if that makes sense....my heart is wrapped up in the Heart Of my Father God.

God is good all of the time....even in times of spiritual warfare/ adversity etc,etc.

 

[ProDeo]

The scriptures don’t testify to our spirit, the Living Spirit does, the Bible confirms this.

Just one more question -

Following what you believe, the above, I am curious what the Living Spirit says about :

John16:13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.
John 16:14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.

Matt 21:9 And the crowds that went before him and that followed him were shouting, “Hosanna to the Son of David! Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord! Hosanna in the highest!”

Matt 14:33 And those in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”

Matt 28:9 And behold, Jesus met them and said, “Greetings!” And they came up and took hold of his feet and worshiped him.

What does the Living Spirit say about glorifying / worshiping Jesus ?

 

[Ritajanice]

Just one more question -

Following what you believe, the above, I am curious what the Living Spirit says about :

John16:13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.
John 16:14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.

Yes, who do you think is Glorifying the Father through me...myself or the Living Spirit?
My heart is open to the Spirit...not to the self....at one time it was all about me.....my heart wasn’t inline or in harmony with the Spirit at one time......NOW IT IS 100%

Matt 21:9 And the crowds that went before him and that followed him were shouting, “Hosanna to the Son of David! Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord! Hosanna in the highest!”

Matt 14:33 And those in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”

I’m Born Again, I wasn’t there with Jesus 2,000 yrs ago...so no, I don’t worship Jesus ..... I worship his Father, as he too is my Spirit Father?

They were worshipping Jesus.....” then” 2,000 years ago.......I don’t worship Jesus.....the Spirit wont let me!...my belief!
A Born Again only worships the Father...again, my belief.

Matt 28:9 And behold, Jesus met them and said, “Greetings!” And they came up and took hold of his feet and worshiped him.

2,000 years ago yes..not now..no..

What does the Living Spirit say about glorifying /

The Spirit does not give any glory to Jesus....all Glory goes to God....as if God hadn’t sent his Son ...then we wouldn’t be on this forum today ,would we?

All Glory goes to my Father God...all thanks go to Jesus, plus there is no name above his Name....he was the perfect Son Of God who was slain...suffered an horrific death....there is none on this earth...who could / would ever do what Jesus did @ProDeo ....plus he was God’s only begotten Son!

Jesus Name is Above all names on the earth today.....he is our spiritual role model so to speak...we are being conformed into his image, why, because he was perfect Son Of God in every-way...he was without blemish...a Born Again I believe is being prepared for Heaven.....by the Living Spirit.

worshiping Jesus ?

....the Spirit Glorifies and worships the Father through me...and my heart is open to the will of the Father ,via His Living Witness..His Living Holy Spirit.and no...I do not worship Jesus.....Jesus worshipped His Father while he walked this earth...he didn’t worship himself...quite the opposite in fact.

Jesus is my brother...God is my Spirit Father...my testimony/ belief...in all my above post....

 

[ProDeo]

Yes, who do you think is Glorifying the Father through me...myself or the Living Spirit?
My heart is open to the Spirit...not to the self....at one time it was all about me.....my heart wasn’t inline or in harmony with the Spirit at one time......NOW IT IS 100%

I’m Born Again, I wasn’t there with Jesus 2,000 yrs ago...so no, I don’t worship Jesus ..... I worship his Father, as he too is my Spirit Father?

They were worshipping Jesus.....” then” 2,000 years ago.......I don’t worship Jesus.....the Spirit wont let me!...my belief!
A Born Again only worships the Father...again, my belief.

2,000 years ago yes..not now..no..

The Spirit does not give any glory to Jesus....all Glory goes to God....as if God hadn’t sent his Son ...then we wouldn’t be on this forum today ,would we?

All Glory goes to my Father God...all thanks go to Jesus, plus there is no name above his Name....he was the perfect Son Of God who was slain...suffered an horrific death....there is none on this earth...who could / would ever do what Jesus did @ProDeo ....plus he was God’s only begotten Son!

Jesus Name is Above all names on the earth today.....he is our spiritual role model so to speak...we are being conformed into his image, why, because he was perfect Son Of God in every-way...he was without blemish...a Born Again I believe is being prepared for Heaven.....by the Living Spirit.

....the Spirit Glorifies and worships the Father through me...and my heart is open to the will of the Father ,via His Living Witness..His Living Holy Spirit.and no...I do not worship Jesus.....Jesus worshipped His Father while he walked this earth...he didn’t worship himself...quite the opposite in fact.

Jesus is my brother...God is my Spirit Father...my testimony/ belief...in all my above post....I know you respect my belief as I too respect your belief.

Sad to hear, you miss so much.

 

[Ritajanice]

Sad to hear, you miss so much.

Miss so much?..bible reading....?
Do you know where my heart is with God...I think not?
The Bible is not my God...the Bible confirms who my Living God is.

I do plenty of bible reading.i get spiritual knowledge revealed to me most of the day....how do you think I know what I know......just by reading a Bible, you won’t find Gods heart in any bible.....I know God in my heart....that’s the best place to be....in the arms of my Spirit Father God...my belief is my belief.....your opinion is just your opinion...no truth in your opinion.....it can’t penetrate my spirit..only the Spirit can minister to my heart and he does, most of the day...

My question is @ProDeo why are you and a few others on this thread ,so desperate for me to believe as you believe?...

Have you seen me forcing my belief onto you?...I answer you ,when you quote me?

Does God force us ....no....unfortunately that’s the trait of humans....a bad trait at that....the human will forces.....God will NEVER force or condemn....I think some need to get their will in line with Gods will.....his Will doesn’t force......a few on here tend to force their beliefs onto others...thinking that their truth is the only truth..by the way speaking from experience....I too used to force my belief onto others....until God showed me that it’s WRONG.....Praise God for the gift of discernment.

Respect the beliefs/ testimony of other members....period...

 

[ProDeo]

My question is @ProDeo why are you and a few others on this thread ,so desperate for me to believe as you believe?...

Because we love you and don't want to see you fall into false teachings and/or how the devil might creep into your mind as he (for instance) did with king David, notable blessed with the Holy Spirit (Ps 51:11) and yet -

1Kron 21:1 Then Satan stood against Israel and incited David to number Israel.
1Kron 21:7 But God was displeased with this thing, and he struck Israel.

You might learn from Jesus when He was tempted by the devil and how He rebuked the devil with ?

Matt 4:4 But he answered, “It is written, “‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”
Matt 4:7 Jesus said to him, “Again it is written, ‘You shall not put the Lord your God to the test.’”
Matt 4:10 Then Jesus said to him, “Be gone, Satan! For it is written, “‘You shall worship the Lord your God and him only shall you serve.’”

 

[Ritajanice]

Because we love you and don't want to see you fall into false teachings

With respect, your understanding of Born Again is foreign to me, because it doesn’t line up with the word of God....you explain what it means from your own understanding...with no scripture to back up what you claim, you’re in confusion imo...yet have the nerve to tell me that I am...yet can’t back up your belief that I’m being deceived..LOL.

and/or how the devil might creep into your mind as he (for instance) did with king David, notable blessed with the Holy Spirit (Ps 51:11) and yet -

Oh my goodness..LOL....I’m Born Again, you obviously don’t understand my testimony, which is Biblical..

The Spirit testifies with our spirit...do you understand that?....now you tell me...do you understand who Gods Living testimony is?

I don’t think you do...I have a Living Faith and it’s very much Alive and Active.
I think your faith/ belief is in reading the Bible..
Do you understand what supernatural faith is from God?

Personally, I think you are still in the natural mind of thinking...you have no understanding of what spiritual matters are....because you too, never answered my last post to you...you skated over it.

1Kron 21:1 Then Satan stood against Israel and incited David to number Israel.
1Kron 21:7 But God was displeased with this thing, and he struck Israel.

You might learn from Jesus when He was tempted by the devil and how He rebuked the devil with ?

You are posting scripture...sorry my friend, imo your heart knowledge is non existent.

I see no spiritual life in what you post..just scripture that isn’t speaking to a Born Again, that’s why we’re told to .

1John.4. [1] Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Matt 4:4 But he answered, “It is written, “‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”
Matt 4:7 Jesus said to him, “Again it is written, ‘You shall not put the Lord your God to the test.’”

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1 Corinthians 2 ►

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Berean Standard Bible Par ▾ Paul’s Message by the Spirit’s Power 1When I came to you, brothers, I did not come with eloquence or wisdom as I proclaimed to you the testimony about God. 2For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified. 3I came to you in weakness and fear, and with much trembling. 4My message and my preaching were not with persuasive words of wisdom, but with a demonstration of the Spirit’s power, 5so that your faith would not rest on men’s wisdom, but on God’s power. Spiritual Wisdom (Ephesians 1:15–23) 6Among the mature, however, we speak a message of wisdom—but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7No, we speak of the mysterious and hidden wisdom of God,a which He destined for our glory before time began. 8None of the rulers of this age understood it. For if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9Rather, as it is written: “No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no heart has imagined, what God has prepared for those who love Him.”b 10But God has revealed it to us by the Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11For who among men knows the thoughts of man except his own spirit within him? So too, no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12We have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13And this is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom, but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.c 14The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15The spiritual man judges all things, but he himself is not subject to anyone’s judgment. 16“For who has known the mind of the Lord, so as to instruct Him?”d But we have the mind of Christ

Matt 4:10 Then Jesus said to him, “Be gone, Satan! For it is written, “‘You shall worship the Lord your God and him only shall you serve.’”

I too don’t want your heart to be deceived by the enemy..from what I read of your posts, he’s doing exactly that.

Do you understand Living heart revelation?

I have no concern of where you are in your belief in God...

You are concerned that I am deceived..nonsense....how do you know that you aren’t deceived?

Your posts speak volumes....head knowledge only...seek the Lord God out with all your heart...try putting the Bible down for a moment...,and speak to God from your heart...you should be doing that, if you have been Born Of The Spirit..?

We are spirit children, the Bible confirms this...which you seen to have no understanding of who spirit children are?

Why must we be spirit children?...why must Spirit give birth to spirit?

Answer me that..I’ve answered all of your questions, now please answer mine?

 

[IronMaiden]

Oh my goodness..LOL....I’m Born Again, you obviously don’t understand my testimony, which is Biblical..

A person is born again upon believing in Jesus Christ who was crucified to bring us salvation to eternal life. In Jesus, we are a new creation!
2 Corinthians 5:17 (NKJV) Therefore, if anyone [is] in Christ, [he is] a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.

 

[ProDeo]

With respect, your understanding of Born Again is foreign to me, because it doesn’t line up with the word of God....you explain what it means from your own understanding...with no scripture to back up what you claim, you’re in confusion imo...yet have the nerve to tell me that I am...yet can’t back up your belief that I’m being deceived..LOL.

Oh my goodness..LOL....I’m Born Again, you obviously don’t understand my testimony, which is Biblical..

The Spirit testifies with our spirit...do you understand that?....now you tell me...do you understand who Gods Living testimony is?

I don’t think you do...I have a Living Faith and it’s very much Alive and Active.
I think your faith/ belief is in reading the Bible..
Do you understand what supernatural faith is from God?

Personally, I think you are still in the natural mind of thinking...you have no understanding of what spiritual matters are....because you too, never answered my last post to you...you skated over it.

You are posting scripture...sorry my friend, imo your heart knowledge is non existent.

I see no spiritual life in what you post..just scripture that isn’t speaking to a Born Again, that’s why we’re told to .

1John.4. [1] Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

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Berean Standard Bible Par ▾ Paul’s Message by the Spirit’s Power 1When I came to you, brothers, I did not come with eloquence or wisdom as I proclaimed to you the testimony about God. 2For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified. 3I came to you in weakness and fear, and with much trembling. 4My message and my preaching were not with persuasive words of wisdom, but with a demonstration of the Spirit’s power, 5so that your faith would not rest on men’s wisdom, but on God’s power. Spiritual Wisdom (Ephesians 1:15–23) 6Among the mature, however, we speak a message of wisdom—but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7No, we speak of the mysterious and hidden wisdom of God,a which He destined for our glory before time began. 8None of the rulers of this age understood it. For if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9Rather, as it is written: “No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no heart has imagined, what God has prepared for those who love Him.”b 10But God has revealed it to us by the Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11For who among men knows the thoughts of man except his own spirit within him? So too, no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12We have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13And this is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom, but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.c 14The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15The spiritual man judges all things, but he himself is not subject to anyone’s judgment. 16“For who has known the mind of the Lord, so as to instruct Him?”d But we have the mind of Christ

I too don’t want your heart to be deceived by the enemy..from what I read of your posts, he’s doing exactly that.

Do you understand Living heart revelation?

I have no concern of where you are in your belief in God...

You are concerned that I am deceived..nonsense....how do you know that you aren’t deceived?

Your posts speak volumes....head knowledge only...seek the Lord God out with all your heart...try putting the Bible down for a moment...,and speak to God from your heart...you should be doing that, if you have been Born Of The Spirit..?

We are spirit children, the Bible confirms this...which you seen to have no understanding of who spirit children are?

Why must we be spirit children?...why must Spirit give birth to spirit?

Answer me that..I’ve answered all of your questions, now please answer mine?

I am flabbergasted by your post.

This is a Bible forum, so people post Scripture.

John 16:13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.
John 16:14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.

If one is born again and understands the Gospel, my spirit will glorify Jesus, your "Living Spirit" apparently not.

One of us has it wrong.

 

[Ritajanice]

A person is born again upon believing in Jesus Christ who was crucified to bring us salvation to eternal life. In Jesus, we are a new creation! View attachment 58315

That is not biblical on how we are Born Again..we must go by the word, on how one’s spirit is Born Again..

Not what you think it means.

2 Corinthians 5:17 (NKJV) Therefore, if anyone [is] in Christ, [he is] a new creation; old things have passed away; behold,

Once they are Born Again...that is referring to once we have been birthed, we are then a new creation in Christ..and not before.

all things have become new.

All things become new, once our spirit is Born Again..we are partakers Of the divine nature?
, they believe , once they are Born Again..we believe and know God in our heart/ spirit...not by believing any gospel message.

If you believe the gospel message and understand it, then you must be Born Again...
It’s because of the gospel that we can be birthed.

Hearing the gospel does not birth our spirit...that is not how God says we are Born Again..if it was he would have said so.,..he doesn’t...his word says...we must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God...

That’s what you believe it means to be Born Again hearing the gospel..it’s not..as I posted above.
We must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God.

Spirit gives birth to spirit = means what?

 

[Ritajanice]

I am flabbergasted by your post.

I m flabbergasted at you telling me that you love me , because you believe I am deceived

This is a Bible forum, so people post Scripture.

I suggest you do the same and not post a testimony that doesn’t line up with the scripture on how one is Born Of The Spirit...not what you think it means to be Born Of The Spirit.

John 16:13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.

The Spirit Of truth is not Jesus in the flesh...it’s the Spirit Of Jesus that we are Born Again of...Jesus Spirit glorifies the Father, he does not glorify himself....The Spirit of truth births our spirit into his..only then can we be guided into all “ Spiritual “ truth...not head truth?

I’ve got plenty more scripture coming your way...I suggest you post scripture that refers to a Born Again...in the meantime.

John 16:14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.

If one is born again and understands the Gospel, my spirit will glorify Jesus, your "Living Spirit" apparently not.

The word does not tell us, that one is Born Again and understands the gospel message, that is not how God tells us that we are Born Again..we are Born Of The Spirit,Spirit gives birth to spirit..means what..why don’t you answer the question?

God says we must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God....if you understand the gospel message, then you must already be Born Again...it’s because of the gospel that we can be birthed in the Spirit.

Spirit gives birth to spirit...explain what it means..I’m waiting?

One of us has it wrong.

I have plenty of scripture to post.,here’s some for now....,let’s duscuss?

We are not in the flesh were in the Spirit = means what?

By whose testimony do you know that you are in the Spirit?

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8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

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Not according to my belief they aren’t, they are Father and Son..they are not one.

1Jo 2:23
Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

2Jo 1:9
Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.

(It's very important then that we receive and understand the doctrine of CHRIST and not reject and deny it.)

Jhn 10:30-31

I and my Father are one.

Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

Jhn 17:11

And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

Jhn 17:21-23

That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.


Jhn 14:9

Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

 

[Lizbeth]

That’s not how the Bible confirms how we are Born Of The Spirit

Yes it very much does.........but you cannot see/hear it in scripture, probably to start with because you don't seem to know the scrips well enough........as well as that you have heeded those who have pre-emptively talked you out of believing those scrips that address other aspects of what it means to be born of Him.

Again that is not how the Bible confirms how we are Born Of The Spirit
We are Born Of The Spirit..The Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are the children of God.

Yes, those scriptures are true but also so are these true that I will post here. God does not contradict Himself in His Spirit-breathed word, everything that is written in scripture is the truth. We must not deny any of it. I can quote these scriptures for you, but I can't receive/accept them for you, or understand (hear/see) them for you....you will need the Lord to give you understanding:

Jhn 6:56

He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

Col 1:27

To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Eph 3:17

That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love

Rom 8:9

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Rom 8:10

And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

2Co 13:5

Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

Gal 4:19
My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,

Col 3:16
Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.

Eph 1:17
That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

1Ti 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

 

[Ritajanice]

1Jo 2:23
Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

2Jo 1:9

Who has denied the Son?

Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.

You must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God..we abide in the Son because we are in the Sons Spirit..Born Again.

(It's very important then that we receive and understand the doctrine of CHRIST and not reject and deny it.)

Jhn 10:30-31

I and my Father are one.

That is not saying that they are both God.

Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

Jhn 17:11

And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

Yes, the Father gives the Born Again to Jesus, we are his sisters/ brothers.

Jhn 17:21-23

That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

None of that scripture says that Jesus is God.

Jhn 14:9

Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

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3 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.