Before the flood is actually "after"

[rebuilder 454]

Obviously, they are believing Jews as after the Church is raptured............before the tribulation..........the Jews have their blindness removed.

Romans 11
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.


Obviously, they are believing Jews as after the Church is raptured............before the tribulation..........the Jews have their blindness removed.

Romans 11
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Gog/Magog does not happen until after the 1000 years

Revelation 20
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.


Satan goes after the remnant of the woman, Israel seed. The seed of the woman is the 12 tribes across the earth. Gog Magog happens after the 1000 year.

The days are cut short and the second rapture which is the gathering from heaven and earth, happens immediately after the tribulation, and BEFORE THE WRATH OF GOD BEGINS.

Those singing the song of Moses are raptured from the earth and are found in heaven before the throne in Rev 15. This is why there are 144,000 first fruits from the twelve tribes as there is a rapture of the 12 tribes across the earth at the 6th seal.

Close enough.
Have a blessed day

 

[rebuilder 454]

14 pages of attempts by postribbers, to "prove" Jesus was mistaken, and did not declare 2 separate comings in matt 24 ,to save a flawed postrib rapture doctrine.

Most of the attempts post verses trying to void Jesus's words in matt 24.
Comical watching postribbers on their hamster wheel efforts against Jesus's words.


SMH

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

14 pages of attempts by postribbers, to "prove" Jesus was mistaken, and did not declare 2 separate comings in matt 24 ,to save a flawed postrib rapture doctrine.

Most of the attempts post verses trying to void Jesus's words in matt 24.
Comical watching postribbers on their hamster wheel efforts against Jesus's words.


SMH

You are welcome to exegete Matthew 24 and show exactly how there are 2 separate comings of Christ taught there. Can you do that? Why should anyone just take your word for that? Prove it. Go through the scripture and show it. Your claims mean nothing if you don't back them up by showing how what you're claiming is taught in scripture.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Jesus was referring to "before the flood/trib" as opposed to "after the gt".
The rapture of the church, " before the flood" ....not Pentecost.
Jesus used Lot right alongside Noah to ensure the context and meaning.
If one keeps reading ,we find those taken and left behind are The same ratio as the 10 virgins in the ones taken/ left, just a few sentences later.
So, in context, it is : Noah taken preflood, lot taken prejudgement, and half the virgins taken.
All 3 in peacetime, commerce, normal life.
All in the same thought of mat 24 , mat 25, and Luke 17.

Noah went into the ark the same day the flood came and Lot was taken out of Sodom the same day the fire came down on Sodom, so how does "Noah taken preflood" support a pretrib (before 7 years of tribulation) rapture?

 

[rebuilder 454]

Noah went into the ark the same day the flood came and Lot was taken out of Sodom the same day the fire came down on Sodom, so how does "Noah taken preflood" support a pretrib (before 7 years of tribulation) rapture?

You just proved both removed pretrib
Thanks!!!!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You just proved both removed pretrib
Thanks!!!!

What are you talking about? Please try to communicate clearly so that I don't have to guess as to what you are saying. I showed that Noah and Lot were removed THE SAME DAY that God's wrath came down and destroyed all unbelievers. That is what will happen on the day Jesus returns. We will be caught up to Him and then His wrath will come down on all unbelievers (1 Thess 4:14-5:3, 2 Thess 1:7-10).

 

[No Pre-TB]

Simply the belief that tribulation =wrath. A belief disproved by definition, usage and scriptures. The stumbling block they stumble over

 

[rebuilder 454]

You just LIED against God's Word with your 2nd statement above.

There is only a ONE time of gathering of Christ's Church written of in God's Word. Just because that single-gathering event of the Church is written of in several Bible Scriptures does not... mean each mention is a NEW gathering event! That's STUPIDITY!

You know, a LIAR could even do that with each time that a different Title for GOD is written in The Bible, and try to say each one is about a DIFFERENT GOD! That's how STUPID you idea is! Your only consolation is that YOU didn't come up with that stupid idea, I've heard it before from other deceived believers on man's false pre-trib rapture theory leaven doctrines.

I truly am amazed at how totally ignorant deceived brethren on man's false Pre-trib Rapture lie can be with being tricked by charlatans who lie against the simplicity of Bible Scripture.

Lol
I have no doubt you hate the pretrib rapture verses

Calling God's word stupid and lies is where your doctrine carried you.

That doctrine of yours is a beast that carried you into deception.

It died long ago, and is why it carried you into a wasteland, and you are now afoot.
Left you Frustrated and hateful.

 

[rebuilder 454]

What are you talking about? Please try to communicate clearly so that I don't have to guess as to what you are saying. I showed that Noah and Lot were removed THE SAME DAY that God's wrath came down and destroyed all unbelievers. That is what will happen on the day Jesus returns. We will be caught up to Him and then His wrath will come down on all unbelievers (1 Thess 4:14-5:3, 2 Thess 1:7-10).

Your doctrine has you confoosed .
Your beliefs is that Lot and Noah are rescued post trib.

....which is comical how Jesus showed the world, in His Word, that your deal is backwards.

Psssst...both lot and Noah are gathered pretrib.

I know you hate that and are frustrated by all 3 comings of the Bible.
SMH

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Your doctrine has you confoosed .
Your beliefs is that Lot and Noah are rescued post trib.

Define your terms. In this case, you are calling God's wrath the trib. My belief is not that the rapture is post-wrath. Noah and Lot were brought to a place of protection first and THEN God's wrath came down on all unbelievers. That's my understanding of the rapture as well. Jesus will come and we will be caught up to meet Him in the air after which He will proceed to destroy all of His enemies.

2 Thesslaonians 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

Your doctrine has you confoosed .

You couldn't possibly be more confuzed if you tried. It doesn't help when you misrepresent my view and end up talking to a straw man instead of actually addressing what I believe.

Your beliefs is that Lot and Noah are rescued post trib.

Not post God's wrath. Stop misrepresenting my view. The flood was God's wrath and happened after Noah went into the ark. Sodom was destoyed after Lot went out of the city. Likewise, Christ will destroy all of His enemies after we are caught up to Him.

....which is comical how Jesus showed the world, in His Word, that your deal is backwards.

What's comical is your terrible reading comprehension skills.

Psssst...both lot and Noah are gathered pretrib.

Pre-wrath. Which I agree with. Stop misrepresenting my view.

I know you hate that and are frustrated by all 3 comings of the Bible.
SMH

LOL. The only frustration I have is seeing you misrepresent my view which only makes you look bad and causes you to waste time arguing with a straw man.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Define your terms. In this case, you are calling God's wrath the trib. My belief is not that the rapture is post-wrath. Noah and Lot were brought to a place of protection first and THEN God's wrath came down on all unbelievers. That's my understanding of the rapture as well. Jesus will come and we will be caught up to meet Him in the air after which He will proceed to destroy all of His enemies.

2 Thesslaonians 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.


You couldn't possibly be more confuzed if you tried. It doesn't help when you misrepresent my view and end up talking to a straw man instead of actually addressing what I believe.


Not post God's wrath. Stop misrepresenting my view. The flood was God's wrath and happened after Noah went into the ark. Sodom was destoyed after Lot went out of the city. Likewise, Christ will destroy all of His enemies after we are caught up to Him.


What's comical is your terrible reading comprehension skills.


Pre-wrath. Which I agree with. Stop misrepresenting my view.


LOL. The only frustration I have is seeing you misrepresent my view which only makes you look bad and causes you to waste time arguing with a straw man.

Rapture verses are prewrath AND pretrib.
Normal life, buying and selling.
You model is way off.
There is zero buying and selling with out the mark. No normal life, and a blood bath.
In fact anyone refusing the mark is martyred.
So your model is 100% backwards

In your model, all are protected during Sodom and during the flood.( there is no prewrath persecuting in Jesus model, nor in the verses.)
Normal life VIVIDLY DECLARED, THEN ILLUSTRATED, in the "one taken/one left" example.
Postrib rapture is unsupported, and nobody can biblically substantiate the claim.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Define your terms. In this case, you are calling God's wrath the trib. My belief is not that the rapture is post-wrath. Noah and Lot were brought to a place of protection first and THEN God's wrath came down on all unbelievers. That's my understanding of the rapture as well. Jesus will come and we will be caught up to meet Him in the air after which He will proceed to destroy all of His enemies.

2 Thesslaonians 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.


You couldn't possibly be more confuzed if you tried. It doesn't help when you misrepresent my view and end up talking to a straw man instead of actually addressing what I believe.


Not post God's wrath. Stop misrepresenting my view. The flood was God's wrath and happened after Noah went into the ark. Sodom was destoyed after Lot went out of the city. Likewise, Christ will destroy all of His enemies after we are caught up to Him.


What's comical is your terrible reading comprehension skills.


Pre-wrath. Which I agree with. Stop misrepresenting my view.


LOL. The only frustration I have is seeing you misrepresent my view which only makes you look bad and causes you to waste time arguing with a straw man.

I am not the one getting shellaced by the Bible. You are, along with your false doctrine that can not address the 3 comings.
Nor can it address the "one taken" of mat 24, or the "like manner" of Acts 1.

"Before the flood" is the "sister analogy" of Lot removed pretrib, and both have normal life setting as does acts1.
You MUST omit that ,or change it.

That must be frustrating.

 

[rebuilder 454]

rebuilder 454 said:
Psssst...both lot and Noah are gathered pretrib.

SI quote
"Pre-wrath. Which I agree with. Stop misrepresenting my view."

Normal life, then the flood . Sodom the same.
Noah and Lot gathered pretrib.
No way to wiggle out of it.

Your model in no way fits.