BAPTISM SAVES, FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS"

[ScottA]

No Scott. I am trying to get you to run from whoever is teaching you your bizarre interpretation of scripture.

If you believe the Holy Spirit is teaching you then why did the Holy Spirit teach other men something completely OPPOSITE of what you believe?

Is the Holy Spirit confused or are you???

Curious Mary

I can speak for me and the Holy Spirit...so, to answer your question: "Other men" must be confused.

 

[ScottA]

WRONG.

Your line of reasoning doesn't make one SRED of sense, given the context of what the people were grumbling about - and what Jesus asked the Apostles.

In verse 66, it shows that a large number of His disciples left because they could NOT handle what Jesus was telling them. This marks the ONLY time in the Gospel that His followers left Him for doctrinal reasons.

Did Jesus stop them? Did He explain what He was REALLY talking about so they wouldn't leave??
NO. He simply turned to the Twelve and asked, "Do you ALSO want to leave."

No explanation about "symbolism" or "metaphors".
He MEANT what He said.

And that would be your "SRED of sense", meaning, your own understanding - which has a spiritual hole in it and does not stand up to the whole word of God.

Nonetheless, for those who have ears to hear what the Spirit says: When many left following Jesus, it was because they could not hear what He was saying spiritually. So, to go after them or to appeal to their carnal nature about the things of the spirit, simply indicated that they were not whom He had come for, for His sheep hear His voice. Thus, those who did not leave, even though they too did not understand, they stayed by faith. Yet even they did not go and teach the matter in the way it was given to them ("My words are spirit"), just as it is with you.

 

[ScottA]

What is a "religious doctrine"?? That makes no sense.

You read scripture and interpret one way and believe you interpreted it correctly because you had guidance from the Holy Spirit.

Someone else reads scripture (i.e. Clement of Rome who walked and talked with the Apostles) and interprets it OPPOSITE of you (2,000 years before you) and you call his interpretation "religious doctrine" and say he is wrong and you are right.

Can you not see how ridiculous your logic is and why it is hard to take you serious????

Curious Mary

Only One is right.

 

[Marymog]

As I told you...I got my information from the Holy Spirit. Which 100% accurate compared with the fallible apostles and church leaders: Jesus Himself called Peter Satan, and was somewhat against 5 out of the 7 churches of Revelation.

And having to repeat myself to you, makes me question your ability to comprehend what is written, even from me, let alone from God.

Oh goodness....Jesus called Peter Satan....Your killing me Scott....thank you infallible Scott....now I know for sure I can never take you serious.

Mary

 

[Marymog]

I can speak for me and the Holy Spirit...so, to answer your question: "Other men" must be confused.

Please stop.....your making a fool of yourself.

 

[Marymog]

Only One is right.

Yup....And it's clearly not you with another ridiculous statement.

 

[ScottA]

Please stop.....your making a fool of yourself.

Yup....And it's clearly not you with another ridiculous statement.

You do not know me, nor do you know who it is who speaks to you.

 

[Marymog]

You do not know me, nor do you know who it is who speaks to you.

Oh, trust me, I do know who is speaking to me. You are the fulfillment from scripture

 

[ScottA]

Oh, trust me, I do know who is speaking to me. You are the fulfillment from scripture

Hahaha. No...I don't trust you. Nor, since you do not receive the word in spirit, will I trouble you any further.

 

[BreadOfLife]

And that would be your "SRED of sense", meaning, your own understanding - which has a spiritual hole in it and does not stand up to the whole word of God.

Nonetheless, for those who have ears to hear what the Spirit says: When many left following Jesus, it was because they could not hear what He was saying spiritually. So, to go after them or to appeal to their carnal nature about the things of the spirit, simply indicated that they were not whom He had come for, for His sheep hear His voice. Thus, those who did not leave, even though they too did not understand, they stayed by faith. Yet even they did not go and teach the matter in the way it was given to them ("My words are spirit"), just as it is with you.

HOGWASH.

John was one of those Twelve – and it is John who uses the word “Trogon” – the way an animal rips apart his food as opposed to “Phagon”, which is the normal word for human eating.

Also - in 1 Cor. 11:27-30, Paul speaks to the reality of the Eucharist and the severity of the consequences to those who take this lightly: “Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord. A person should examine himself, and so eat the bread and drink the cup. For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body, eats and drinks JUDGMENT on himself. That is why many among you are ill and infirm, and a considerable number are dying.”

This is pretty harsh language for something that YOU claim is only a “symbol”.
"JUDGMENT" is a salvation matter . . .

 

[mjrhealth]

You do not know me, nor do you know who it is who speaks to you.

you do know this is a pointless senseless arguement.....

 

[ScottA]

HOGWASH.

John was one of those Twelve – and it is John who uses the word “Trogon” – the way an animal rips apart his food as opposed to “Phagon”, which is the normal word for human eating.

Also - in 1 Cor. 11:27-30, Paul speaks to the reality of the Eucharist and the severity of the consequences to those who take this lightly: “Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord. A person should examine himself, and so eat the bread and drink the cup. For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body, eats and drinks JUDGMENT on himself. That is why many among you are ill and infirm, and a considerable number are dying.”

This is pretty harsh language for something that YOU claim is only a “symbol”.
"JUDGMENT" is a salvation matter . . .

Harsh indeed. The flesh dies, and flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[mjrhealth]

Something to do with

Jas_4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

no one said to argue with him...

 

[Marymog]

Nor.....will I trouble you any further.

THANK YOU......

 

[Marymog]

you do know this is a pointless senseless arguement.....

Now, now not ALL of @ScottA post are pointless and senseless. Why are you being so harsh on him?

Curious Mary

 

[BreadOfLife]

Harsh indeed. The flesh dies, and flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.

That's NON-answer.
Explain why Paul was using such harsh and cautionary language for something that is a mere symbol.

"JUDGMENT" is a salvation matter.

 

[GodsGrace]

Jesus was literal in a worldly sense, but just as He said, "My words are spirit."

Yes...This is what my brother always tells me.
Thanks for reminding me....

My words are spirit and they are life.
He didn't say my body is life if you eat it...
But He did say, Unless you eat the flesh of the Son...
What would this mean?

 

[GodsGrace]

I know Catholic doctrine and dogma. I just find it faulty in this regard.
Again: The Lord's Supper doesn't have to literally turn into flesh and blood to be critically important. It is very faulty thinking to set up the false dichotomy "it has to literally be flesh or it's not important."

How could we BE SURE it's faulty?
John 6:54 says that unless we CHEW on the body of Jesus we will not have eternal life. Why use the word chew?

Jesus said THIS IS MY BODY, as He held up the bread.
What could He have meant by this?

 

[Jane_Doe22]

John 6:54 says that unless we CHEW on the body of Jesus we will not have eternal life. Why use the word chew?

Jesus said THIS IS MY BODY, as He held up the bread.
What could He have meant by this?

My belief: it is symbolically taking Him in. Not literal, symbolic.
Obviously I acknowledge others beliefs other things.

How could we BE SURE it's faulty?

Go ask God. He will answer you.

 

[mjrhealth]

Now, now not ALL of @ScottA post are pointless and senseless. Why are you being so harsh on him?

Curious Mary

i can only quote one thing after you said you have being learning from a certain person

Mat_23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

keep it up your just digging teh same grave