BAPTISM SAVES, FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS"

[Marymog]

Ok. Mary, I respect your heretical views.

To respect heretical views is not keeping in line with the teaching of scripture which tells us we are not to receive him into your house or give him any greeting and their condemnation is not idle and they are false prophets and we are to treat them as heathens.

If you respect people that hold "views" that are contrary to scripture, such as abortion and gay marriage, you are violating scripture.

3rd try....How do you justify saying to me that my "views" are anti-biblical but you can't say that pro-abortion and pro-gay marriage "views" are anti biblical???

You can't say it because you support those anti-biblical "views"?

Mary

 

[Jane_Doe22]

To respect heretical views is not keeping in line with the teaching of scripture which tells us we are not to receive him into your house or give him any greeting and their condemnation is not idle and they are false prophets and we are to treat them as heathens.

If you respect people that hold "views" that are contrary to scripture, such as abortion and gay marriage, you are violating scripture.

Respect doesn't mean adopting or supporting that view. It means being respectful about that person and charitable in our treatment of them.

3rd try....How do you justify saying to me that my "views" are anti-biblical but you can't say that pro-abortion and pro-gay marriage "views" are anti biblical???

I have repeatedly answered that question:

I did say that: I likewise respect all number of different views (Christian and non) I completely disagree with. That includes views those two particular views you mentioned plus a million other different views.

I respect but passionately disagree with (at least parts, maybe not all) all the following view points and many more:
Catholicism, Calvinism, Wiccans, atheistism, pro-gray, marriage, pro-aborition, Islam, SDA, anti-envermentalism, discrimination, Hinduism, + a ton more ideas.

I do NOT agree with these ideas. I do NOT support them. I passionately disagree with them. But I am going to respect them and their believers, and treat them (and all others) with charity.

 

[Marymog]

Respect doesn't mean adopting or supporting that view. It means being respectful about that person and charitable in our treatment of them.


I have repeatedly answered that question:

I respect but passionately disagree with (at least parts, maybe not all) all the following view points and many more:
Catholicism, Calvinism, Wiccans, atheistism, pro-gray, marriage, pro-aborition, Islam, SDA, anti-envermentalism, discrimination, Hinduism, + a ton more ideas.

I do NOT agree with these ideas. I do NOT support them. I passionately disagree with them. But I am going to respect them and their believers, and treat them (and all others) with charity.

To respect heretical views is not keeping in line with the teaching of scripture which tells us we are not to receive him into your house or give him any greeting and their condemnation is not idle and they are false prophets and we are to treat them as heathens.

Is treating someone as a heathen, false prophet and not receiving them into your house treating them with charity???? Doesn't sound charitable to Marymog ;)

Curious Mary

 

[Marymog]

I respect but passionately disagree with (at least parts, maybe not all) all the following view points and many more: Catholicism, Calvinism, Wiccans, atheistism, pro-gray, marriage, pro-aborition, Islam, SDA, anti-envermentalism, discrimination, Hinduism, + a ton more ideas.

I do NOT agree with these ideas. I do NOT support them. I passionately disagree with them. But I am going to respect them and their believers, and treat them (and all others) with charity.

Now the question is, "How do you know you are right and the Catholics and Calvinist are wrong"?

JK...you don't have to answer that.

Mary

 

[Jane_Doe22]

To respect heretical views is not keeping in line with the teaching of scripture which tells us we are not to receive him into your house or give him any greeting and their condemnation is not idle and they are false prophets and we are to treat them as heathens.

Is treating someone as a heathen, false prophet and not receiving them into your house treating them with charity???? Doesn't sound charitable to Marymog ;)

Curious Mary

The phrase "to receive them into your home" mean to accept them. That's not happening.

Being respectful / polite / charitable is happening. I treat these people with love. Without that it doesn't matter if I preach Truth with the very tongue of angels, I am nothing more than a clanging brass (1 Corin 13:1).

 

[Marymog]

The phrase "to receive them into your home" mean to accept them. That's not happening.

Being respectful / polite / charitable is happening. I treat these people with love. Without that it doesn't matter if I preach Truth with the very tongue of angels, I am nothing more than a clanging brass (1 Corin 13:1).

Oh, bible study. I LOVE it.

Have you read all of Corinthians? You know like 1 Corinthians 5:13 or 2 Corinthians 6:14-18 ?

Curious Mary

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Oh, bible study. I LOVE it.

Have you read all of Corinthians? You know like 1 Corinthians 5:13 or 2 Corinthians 6:14-18 ?

Curious Mary

Many times. In fact I've personally read every chapter in the Bible multiple times.

But let's not get distracted: we do not want to be clanging brass. Hence my urging of myself, you, and everyone else to be respectful and charitable to others, even when we disagree with views.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Many times. In fact I've personally read every chapter in the Bible multiple times.

But let's not get distracted: we do not want to be clanging brass. Hence my urging of myself, you, and everyone else to be respectful and charitable to others, even when we disagree with views.

(elaborating more)
I passionately disagree with some parts of Catholicism. But I'm still going to respect Catholicism. This means I'm going:
- Be accurate and truthful about what it is Catholics believe. No propagating myths and when a myth comes up (like "Catholic worship Mary"), I say the truth ("Catholics venerate Mary").
- Not going to sit here fling random insults or call people names. Not going to do this to Catholic individuals, large groups, or the Catholic Church organization in any part.
- Not going to deny a Catholics person's very real love of Christ.
- Not going to deny the parts of Catholicism I do admire.
- Not going to turn down going to a Catholic event when my Catholic friend asks me to come and support them. Example: I attended Stations of the Cross for over a decade because my friend was the speaker and and wanted me to support her.
- I'm going to try my hardest in every way to be polite, respectful, and charitable to Catholic people and whenever possible their beliefs.

Ironically all of these respectful things have gotten my called a "Catholic lover" by some clanging-brass individuals. I am not Catholic. I passionately disagree with the Catholic faith/people/church on many fronts. But I am going to do all of these things and respect this faith because I respect Catholic individuals.

 

[amadeus]

Nonsense. It is simply a symbolic understanding, coming from a teacher known for abundantly using symbolic teaching methods.

And yes, you MUST respect other people's views. It doesn't not matter if you think they are completely wrong. Just like I respect your Catholic views even though I think much about Catholicism is completely wrong.

This "respect" of which you speak relates directly, I believe, to what charity/love of I Corinthians chapter 13 really is... We are be charitable to those with whom we disagree...

 

[Marymog]

Many times. In fact I've personally read every chapter in the Bible multiple times.

But let's not get distracted: we do not want to be clanging brass. Hence my urging of myself, you, and everyone else to be respectful and charitable to others, even when we disagree with views.

More bible study time:

Scripture is not a "view". It is the TRUTH..... PERIOD!!!! If one DENIES the Truth (scripture) that The Church teaches they are to be treated as a heathen man and a publican (KJV, Matthew 18:17) and we are to reprove them (Ephesians 5:11). We are commanded, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ to withdraw ourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly (2 Thessalonians 3:6). We are to have no company with him and we are to admonish him (2Thessalonians 3:14-15).

If I was to show you an orange and say it is an apple that is a lie. If I was to show you a scripture passage that shows you opposite of what you believe and practice that means you are believing and practicing a lie.

Bible study Mary

 

[Marymog]

This "respect" of which you speak relates directly, I believe, to what charity/love of I Corinthians chapter 13 really is... We are be charitable to those with whom we disagree...

Where does 1 Corinthians 13 say "We are be charitable to those with whom we disagree"?

I can't find it!!!

Bible study Mary

 

[Marymog]

(elaborating more)
I passionately disagree with some parts of Catholicism. But I'm still going to respect Catholicism. This means I'm going:
- Be accurate and truthful about what it is Catholics believe. No propagating myths and when a myth comes up (like "Catholic worship Mary"), I say the truth ("Catholics venerate Mary").
- Not going to sit here fling random insults or call people names. Not going to do this to Catholic individuals, large groups, or the Catholic Church organization in any part.
- Not going to deny a Catholics person's very real love of Christ.
- Not going to deny the parts of Catholicism I do admire.
- Not going to turn down going to a Catholic event when my Catholic friend asks me to come and support them. Example: I attended Stations of the Cross for over a decade because my friend was the speaker and and wanted me to support her.
- I'm going to try my hardest in every way to be polite, respectful, and charitable to Catholic people and whenever possible their beliefs.

Ironically all of these respectful things have gotten my called a "Catholic lover" by some clanging-brass individuals. I am not Catholic. I passionately disagree with the Catholic faith/people/church on many fronts. But I am going to do all of these things and respect this faith because I respect Catholic individuals.

NOW you are saying you "passionately disagree" with parts of Catholicism.

What happened to it being anti-Biblical?

WHY would you participate and support a anti-Biblical lie with a Catholic person by attending their events and how can you respect a teaching that is a lie about scripture? Are we not supposed to help our Christian brothers and sisters AVOID lies and living a lie?

Curious Mary

 

[Marymog]

The phrase "to receive them into your home" mean to accept them. That's not happening.

Being respectful / polite / charitable is happening. I treat these people with love. Without that it doesn't matter if I preach Truth with the very tongue of angels, I am nothing more than a clanging brass (1 Corin 13:1).

Dear Jane. I love you and want the best for you.

NOT calling out or "reproving" someone on a lie they believe in is not showing them love. Letting them continue to live in that lie is not showing love. We are, as scripture states, to reprove them and we are not supposed to let them deceive us with empty words. If they don't believe and practice the Truth of scripture they are being disobedient. And, like scripture says, the wrath of God comes on those who are disobedient. We, as scripture says, are not to be associated with them. We, as scripture says, are to take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. (Ephesians 5:6-11)

Mary

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Dear Jane. I love you and want the best for you.

NOT calling out or "reproving" someone on a lie they believe in is not showing them love. Letting them continue to live in that lie is not showing love. We are, as scripture states, to reprove them and we are not supposed to let them deceive us with empty words. If they don't believe and practice the Truth of scripture they are being disobedient. And, like scripture says, the wrath of God comes on those who are disobedient. We, as scripture says, are not to be associated with them. We, as scripture says, are to take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. (Ephesians 5:6-11)

Mary

Mary, I PASSIONATLY disagree with a lot of Catholic beliefs. Yes, even to the point of saying that they go against the Bible and are not Christ's way or Truth. Yes, I would LOVE it if you abandoned these parts of the Catholic faith. And I'm not going to hide that fact. But despite my very firm beliefs, I'm STILL going to respect you and what you believe, shining through with the very real charity I feel towards you. I'm going to keep doing all of these things:

- Be accurate and truthful about what it is Catholics believe. No propagating myths and when a myth comes up (like "Catholic worship Mary"), I say the truth ("Catholics venerate Mary").
- Not going to sit here fling random insults or call people names. Not going to do this to Catholic individuals, large groups, or the Catholic Church organization in any part.
- Not going to deny a Catholics person's very real love of Christ.
- Not going to deny the parts of Catholicism I do admire.
- Not going to turn down going to a Catholic event when my Catholic friend asks me to come and support them. Example: I attended Stations of the Cross for over a decade because my friend was the speaker and and wanted me to support her.
- I'm going to try my hardest in every way to be polite, respectful, and charitable to Catholic people and whenever possible their beliefs.

Ironically all of these respectful things have gotten my called a "Catholic lover" by some clanging-brass individuals. I am not Catholic. I passionately disagree with the Catholic faith/people/church on many fronts. But I am going to do all of these things and respect this faith because I respect Catholic individuals.

If you TRULY think I am wrong in showing you this charity and respect (even while so passionately disagreeing with those beliefs), please say so now.

If you would rather I call you an "anti-Christian" or spread other lies about what you belief, please say so now.
If you would rather quit supporting my Catholic friend at Stations of the Cross and instead rebuke with "sinful heretic, come to the REAL Christ!", please say so now.
If you would rather i mock the Eucharist, please say so now.

 

[Marymog]

This "respect" of which you speak relates directly, I believe, to what charity/love of I Corinthians chapter 13 really is... We are be charitable to those with whom we disagree...

Scripture actually says that "the name of God and his doctrine should not be blasphemed'. If one is teaching, practicing or believing something that is OPPOSITE of the Truth then they are bereft of the Truth. Whoever teaches other than the Truth and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that is in accordance with godliness is conceited, understanding nothing, and has a morbid craving for controversy and for disputes about words. From these come envy, dissension, slander, base suspicions and wrangling among those who are depraved in mind and bereft of the truth.

Scripture does not say, as you believe, that we are to respect those with whom we disagree.

Bible study Mary

 

[Marymog]

Mary, I PASSIONATLY disagree with a lot of Catholic beliefs. Yes, even to the point of saying that they go against the Bible and are not Christ's way or Truth. Yes, I would LOVE it if you abandoned these parts of the Catholic faith. And I'm not going to hide that fact. But despite my very firm beliefs, I'm STILL going to respect you and what you believe, shining through with the very real charity I feel towards you. I'm going to keep doing all of these things:

If you TRULY think I am wrong in showing you this charity and respect (even while so passionately disagreeing with those beliefs), please say so now.

If you would rather I call you an "anti-Christian" or spread other lies about what you belief, please say so now.
If you would rather quit supporting my Catholic friend at Stations of the Cross and instead rebuke with "sinful heretic, come to the REAL Christ!", please say so now.
If you would rather i mock the Eucharist, please say so now.

Jane, I PASSIONATLY disagree with your beliefs. Yes, even to the point of saying that they go against the Bible and are not Christ's way or Truth. I would LOVE it if you abandoned your un-Biblical faith. Scripture assures me that I do not need to hide that fact. It is because I firmly believe that I have been given the Truth that I am going to, as an act of love, help you come out of the darkness and into the light (Matthew 4:16).

Mary

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Jane, I PASSIONATLY disagree with your beliefs. Yes, even to the point of saying that they go against the Bible and are not Christ's way or Truth. I would LOVE it if you abandoned your un-Biblical faith. Scripture assures me that I do not need to hide that fact. It is because I firmly believe that I have been given the Truth that I am going to, as an act of love, help you come out of the darkness and into the light (Matthew 4:16).

Mary

You didn't answer my question:

Do you want me to REPENT of respecting a faith I find to not be supported by the Bible?
Yes or no.

 

[Marymog]

If you TRULY think I am wrong in showing you this charity and respect (even while so passionately disagreeing with those beliefs), please say so now.

If you TRULY think I am wrong in what I believe, practice and preach and that it is un-Biblical (a lie) and by me preaching that lie I am corrupting other souls which makes me a false prophet then you should treat me the way scripture tells you to treat me. No more, no less.

Mary

 

[Heb 13:8]

Ummmmm, for all of you who don’t understand the difference between “Attain” and “Earn” – time for a little English lesson . . .

“Attain” simply means to “Get” something. It doesn’t mean to “Earn” something.

attain verb
at·tain | \ə-ˈtān \
attained; attaining; attains
Definition of attain
transitive verb
1 : to reach as an end : GAIN, ACHIEVE
attain a goal
2 : to come into possession of : OBTAIN
3 : to come to as the end of a progression or course of movement

2 Tim. 4:7
I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith.

1 Cor 9:24
Know ye not that they that run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? Even so run; that ye may ATTAIN.

Rom 10:3
For they are ignorant of the righteousness that comes from God while they try to establish their own, and they have not submitted to God's means to ATTAIN righteousness.

Phil. 3:8-11
in order that I may ATTAIN to the resurrection from the dead.



earn verb (1)
\ˈərn \
earned; earning; earns
Definition of earn
transitive verb
1a : to receive as return for effort and especially for work done or services rendered
b : to bring in by way of return
2a : to come to be duly worthy of or entitled or suited to


There ends the lesson for the day.

Life is hard, b but His yoke is easy. everyone wants it hard

1 Cor 1:8-9 He will also keep you firm to the end, so that you will be blameless on the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9God is faithful, who has called you into fellowship with his Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.

1 Cor 15:56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 57But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

2Co 1:21-22 Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us, 22set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.

2Co 5:4-6 For while we are in this tent, we groan and are burdened, because we do not wish to be unclothed but to be clothed instead with our heavenly dwelling, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. 5Now the one who has fashioned us for this very purpose is God, who has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come. 6Therefore we are always confident and know that as long as we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

If you TRULY think I am wrong in what I believe, practice and preach and that it is un-Biblical (a lie) and by me preaching that lie I am corrupting other souls which makes me a false prophet then you should treat me the way scripture tells you to treat me. No more, no less.

Mary

And how do you think I should treat you (a person who I seeing as believing some non-biblical doctrines).

Should I deny your relationship with Christ?
Lie about what you believe?
Mock you?
Mock what you believe?
Refuse to support the good things about your relationship with Christ?
Shun you?


Or (my view) should I love you still? Treat you with kindness, charity, and respect. Even while hoping that you come closer to Christ and see His light.