Assisted dying

[Rockerduck]

Liked your comment but don’t like you had to experience that. That had to be extremely difficult. I’ve experienced it when my brother passed, but he was always pushing people away. I know that sounds horrible but while I did love my brother, we also had a strained relationship. I can’t imagine going through that with a child.

It’s a needful consideration though that you brought up, on the topic how there is already many families suffering the difficult choice to remove life support. I’m thankful for hospice. How they will come in to help those suffering have less pain.

The question on this topic is a tough one for me. After watching my mom deteriorate slowly and her about to be 95. I just went to see her at the nursing home yesterday where she is wasting away, her crying yesterday from sores and pain. Her roommate crying also in pain. Both in the bed with diapers on. Both repeating they wish they could die. Moms roommate was out of it, she laid there going back to times in her life where she relived phones calls. Her mumbling and talking to someone about calling to check on her alterations for her clothing. She is awake but talks to herself, at one point her mumbling “I need prayer. Someone pray for me, because I need prayer. Yes I do. I need lots of prayer because I hurt so bad.” It is a tough question about assisted dying. It would be easy to say you’re against it, until you right smack in the middle of a loved one begging for death to come, day in and day out. I will say with mom… there is no choice but to wait for God to decide when. I don’t think it’s moms choice although my mom is stubborn. But I don’t know why she is still going through it. When she has prayed for death, I have come into agreement with her prayer, and prayed for her passing. It makes me feel like a horrible daughter. But I have asked “how much longer?” I’ve been asking for years. First prayed for mom to pass at home while we were caring for her. She has been in the nursing home for about three months now.

You can request hospice care for your mother. They will take away all drugs she is taking and put her on a morphine drip. I've seen this work miracles. No more pain and lucid, but the morphine drip does accelerate death on some, most others extend their life. This is a good way to talk to her and take care of things she requests after passing. If no legal will in available, then it's a great way to make one before her passing.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

You can request hospice care for your mother. They will take away all drugs she is taking and put her on a morphine drip. I've seen this work miracles. No more pain and lucid, but the morphine drip does accelerate death on some, most others extend their life. This is a good way to talk to her and take care of things she requests after passing. If no legal will in available, then it's a great way to make one before her passing.

We considered hospice. But they said they have to think she has less than six months to come in to assist. I’ve been caring for mom over a decade. My sisters worked but my oldest sister stepped in fully four years ago after her retirement. While mom is hurting. While we feel her passing must be close…we have thought this for years. We do realize this could go on for another several years. That is where hospice is tough. They have to feel it is close. I’ve been asking when is the right time, so she can be made comfortable. No one knows which makes her in between.

 

[Scott Downey]

Both my parents, dad turned 90, mom 89 died this year.
Dad died in hospice care after about 2 months of having to go there from home to a hospital to home to hospice.
Not of anything like cancer, more of just old age issues. Mom said he had long covid, vax did nothing for him. I noticed they both died within 3 years of their covid vax. My brother did not want him to know he was in hospice, but he kept saying I know where I am. Also lost interest in many things. He had gotten pneumonia and was incontinent for couple months. Right before going to hospice, hospital kicked him out saying was nothing wrong with him, and was he like this all the time?, called my brother to take him back home. My brother was very upset, goes to hospital at 9pm and finds him in wheelchair at door exit. Thinking what can he do for dad. Dad died a month later after hospital docs said nothing was medically wrong with him. I do think insurance and protocols dictate to hospitals what happens. A few days after, Dad went to hospice as a doctor determined he would die in 6 months or less.

Mom died at home hospice care 2 months after Dad died. She had a UTI infection, went to hospital to be treated and while there suffered a stroke. Docs removed the clot as we were told she was certain to die if nothing done, so we approved the go ahead. She survived but was greatly subdued about living afterwards and died about a month after at home. That clot-stroke changed everything as before she was lively and talkative and afterwards like not interested in anything at all, total passivity.

My mom dying, we were more surprised at how fast it all happened. Neither were in pain.

 

[Jericho]

Looks as if they are going to introduce a bill in parliament for this, it was voted for yesterday and got approved.
I honestly sit in the middle with some of it , watching many suffer makes you aware that end of life is horrible sometimes. Also are we sometimes contributing to that death by putting in drivers with morphine in it anyway, we know it speeds things up.
Life/ Death is complicated with all the medical help available for sustains life , do we play God anyway.
Be interested in your views - do they ever discuss this issue in your countries ?
Would you vote for or against it ?
Would you want that option if you had terminal cancer, or dementia or a progressive illness that would make you decline in an awful way ?
Just to give context, at the moment it will only be those with 6months or less to live that will be given the option., However I think, in time, it could change and become a slippery slope

If someone wants to off themselves, they don't need a bill to do it. Legislating euthanasia is a slippery slope.

 

[Scott Downey]

If someone wants to off themselves, they don't need bill to do it. Legislating euthanasia is a slippery slope.

What happens is someone else decides if your life is worth continuing or should it be terminated.
Such a law gives more legal cover for the one(s) doing the determination.
Reality is these decisions are being made everyday to people who are in the process of dying.
What codifying a law does is expand the outreach of who can be terminated to even healthy people who are mental cases.
And if someone desires to commit suicide, if the law passes, why stop them, just help them do it.

 

[marks]

It is God who gives life. If man takes a life, it is murder.

Exactly!

Much love!

 

[dad]

If a machine is artificially keeping someone alive, this isn't natural, so pulling the plug isn't murder, its artificially keeping a dead person functioning. Pull the plug and they die naturally.

That is kind of how I look at it

 

[quietthinker]

Assisted dying​

When I look in the mirror I don't see the same thing I saw fifty years ago. There must be gremlins in my blood determined to wrinkle, shrink and change da colour of my hairs!