Argumentative

[Ritajanice]

These things happened unto Israel for ensamples and were written down for our admonition sister. Need ears to hear this.

You are imo in spiritual ignorance of Gods truth.only he can reveal the truth to your spirit.

Plus you evade everyone of my Spirit questions...you never answer them..
Whose seed are we Born Again of Abraham’s seed or Gods seed?

By whose living witness are we Born Again of?

Did Abraham’s seed birth your spirit?

Seed of God is spiritual is it not?

I hope you understand that the seed of God is a Living seed, he ain’t the Bible you know.

Whose Alive and Active in our spirit?

Whose Living testimony do we need to know that our spirit is Born Again?

Good day Lizbeth I’m not arguing over this any longer..I want to grow in spirit knowledge and maturity.

God Blees.

 

[Wrangler]

Are you?

I know I can be..,is it learnt from childhood?

What’s makes us keep wanting to have the last word?

Is it because of self, ego, pride?

I want to define terms. From here,

conflict is more than just a disagreement. It is a situation in which one or both parties perceive a threat (whether or not the threat is real).​

From m-w.com Argument. a coherent series of reasons, statements, or facts intended to support or establish a point of view

Argumentative. having or showing a tendency to disagree or argue with other people in an angry way : DISPUTATIOUS​

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I grew up in a family that enganged in a lot of banter. They pursued logical arguments on a host of topics as a way to spend holidays together. Who is the best athlete in a given sport? Who is the best team in a given sport throughout history? This fosters one acquiring command of facts and logic. Not bad.

Having the last word may be presenting more facts or analysis on facts already in evidence. For instance, I once did an analysis of the best heavyweight champions. 3 greats had their careers interrupted by politics, which skews their record downward. Each was affected by about the same amount of time. Joe Louis due to WWII. Muhammad Ali due to the Vietnam War. And Mike Tyson due to a bogus rape conviction.

In baseball, the Splendid Spinner, Ted Williams had his career interrupted by not 1 war but 2 wars: WWII and the Korean War. One can only imagine the stats by the last .400 batter in baseball without such political interference.

By contrast, argumentative is clearly crossing the line for one of the parties to become angry. Finally, there is conflict. I do sense some here get angry and perceive threats when all we are doing is exchanging electrons through the internet.

To answer your question, I can be argumentative, get angry when people are intellectually dishonest, deny facts or logic from these facts. Is it because they are weak logically or psychologically?

 

[Ritajanice]

. Is it because they are weak logically or psychologically?

I can’t answer for others.

I can only look into myself and ask God..which I now believe he is showing me the answer...

I was weak in the old man..I am becoming more confident in the Spirit..he brings me to confidence in his name..imo.

There is no confidence in me..confidence can only come from the Spirit.

 

[Lizbeth]

I never repent of my sins,

Yes I have noticed that. Jesus said after having the bath we still need to let Him wash our feet as needed........OR ELSE WE HAVE NO PART WITH HIM. Notice its in context of the Lord's supper............where in Corinthians we are told we must examine ourselves before partaking....and also if we judge our selves we will not by judged with the world.

Post Born Again scripture..not what you think is Born Again scripture, as I will continue to rebuke it.

ALL scripture is profitable and is God's living testimony. If we keep rebuking and rejecting scriptures that we personally need to light your path, we will continue to be the poorer for it. A little leaven, left to its own just keeps on growing and waxing worse. I don't know where you are getting some of this doctrine from sister, but it's messed up and you seem to be painted into a corner with it unfortunately.

 

[Ritajanice]

Yes I have noticed that. Jesus said after having the bath we still need to let Him wash our feet as needed........OR ELSE WE HAVE NO PART WITH HIM. Notice its in context of the Lord's supper............where in Corinthians we are told we must examine ourselves before partaking....and also if we judge our selves we will not by judged with the world.


ALL scripture is profitable and is God's living testimony.

Scripture is not Gods Living testimony.,..I rebuke you claim @Lizbeth that it is.

In the Name Of Jesus..Amen..you bear false witness that the Bible is a Living testimony.

No one can say Jesus is Lord except by the Living Holy Spirit.

If we keep rebuking and rejecting scriptures that we personally need to light your path, we will continue to be the poorer for it. A little leaven, left to its own just keeps on growing and waxing worse. I don't know where you are getting some of this doctrine from sister, but it's messed up and you seem to be painted into a corner with it unfortunately.

All in your opinion ..

You have not painted me into any corner..as you have evaded All Of my Spirit questions.

The scripture is Gods truth.that I posted, therefore you have no authority to say that a Born Again sins...as you have no spiritual understanding of SEED..

Therefore I rebuke everything that you post..including the scripture, as it’s NOT speaking to a Born Again, plus I don’t care who agrees with you.

I stand on God’s word..not yours or anyone else’s.

All of these questions went unanswered, that’s why I rebuke her religious preaching.
She has been blinded from God’s truth.
Plus you evade everyone of my Spirit questions...you never answer them..
Whose seed are we Born Again of Abraham’s seed or Gods seed?

By whose living witness are we Born Again of?

Did Abraham’s seed birth your spirit?

Seed of God is spiritual is it not?


I hope you understand that the seed of God is a Living seed, he ain’t the Bible you know.

Whose Alive and Active in our spirit?

Whose Living testimony do we need to know that our spirit is Born Again?

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◄ 1 John 3:9 ►

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. New Living Translation Those who have been born into God’s family do not make a practice of sinning, because God’s life is in them. So they can’t keep on sinning, because they are children of God. English Standard Version No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God. Berean Standard Bible Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. Berean Literal Bible Anyone having been born of God does not practice sin, because His seed abides in him, and he is not able to continue sinning, because he has been born of God. King James Bible Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. New King James Version Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God. New American Standard Bible No one who has been born of God practices sin, because His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin continually, because he has been born of God.

 

[amigo de christo]

These things happened unto Israel for ensamples and were written down for our admonition sister. Need ears to hear this.

Brethren if any of you sees his brother sin a sin not unto death .
Same JOHN wrote that .
lady rita is not rightly dividing truth at all sister . she be picking and choosing what to beleive and what not to beleive
brethern if any of you sees his brother sin a sin not unto death
he shall pray for him ..
There is a sin unto DEATH and i do NOT say he shall pray for it .........
There is another thing i notice .
this dear lady only says the born again . She never makes mention of THOSE WHO BELEIVE IN JESUS THE CHRIST .
i am smelling something sister . ME thinks inclusvism runs amuck now and it does grow .
WHY did she have such a problem with me reminding of the DIRE NEED TO BELEIVE JESUS is CHRIST
WHY did she have such a problem with me when i was reminding all to simply be reading their bibles .
And marvel not that is loveth what epi and men like mathew say as it resonates so much with HER SPIRIT
but she sure dont seem to like what others be saying that she says DOES NOT RESONATE at all with her spirit .
SISTER , it brought a deep troubling and a heavy sorrow when i seen what i seen .
Because all i ever desired was GOOD for people . LOVING ALL and wanting only life for them .
One once wrote to me a few weeks back and said they beleive another spirit was at work .
I have to agree and say that sister was and IS RIGHT . and you know who she be sister . something has went dead wrong sister
and there be many that sure seem to love to have it so .

 

[Lizbeth]

You are imo in spiritual ignorance of Gods truth.only he can reveal the truth to your spirit.

Plus you evade everyone of my Spirit questions...you never answer them..
Whose seed are we Born Again of Abraham’s seed or Gods seed?

By whose living witness are we Born Again of?

Did Abraham’s seed birth your spirit?

Seed of God is spiritual is it not?

I hope you understand that the seed of God is a Living seed, he ain’t the Bible you know.

Whose Alive and Active in our spirit?

Whose Living testimony do we need to know that our spirit is Born Again?

Good day Lizbeth I’m not arguing over this any longer..I want to grow in spirit knowledge and maturity.

God Blees.

You're taking things too literally. In case it helps, John was exhorting in a similar vein as Paul in Romans:

Rom 6:1-2
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

 

[Ritajanice]

Brethren if any of you sees his brother sin a sin not unto death .
Same JOHN wrote that .
lady rita is not rightly dividing truth at all sister . she be picking and choosing what to beleive and what not to beleive .

And you have no understanding of being Born Of God, His SEED remains in us.

Therefore I rebuke all your words and scripture you post.
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Because you have no authority to say that I sin.as you have no understanding of the above..

You need spiritual eyes and ears to understand the above.

 

[Ritajanice]

You're taking things too literally. In case it helps, John was exhorting in a similar vein as Paul in Romans:

Rom 6:1-2
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Explain being Born Of God that his seed remains in us?

You can’t .thefefore I rebuke your scripture that you post plus your words, in Jesus Name..Amen!

I never sin in the eyes of my Father.

 

[Ritajanice]

Brethren if any of you sees his brother sin a sin not unto death .

Romans 6

King James Version

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6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

[Ritajanice]

You're taking things too literally

Romans 6

King James Version

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6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

[amigo de christo]

And you have no understanding of being Born Of God, His SEED remains in us.

Therefore I rebuke all your words and scripture you post.
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Because you have no authority to say that I sin.as you have no understanding of the above..

You need spiritual eyes and ears to understand the above.

Oh but EPI sure seems to KNOW what it means to be born of GOD .
mathew sure seems to know it . SISTER as every day continues i grow far more worried and far more concerned for you .
YOU SEEM to be drawn to certain folks and REPULSED by others . This is not looking good sister . not at all .

 

[Ritajanice]

Oh but EPI sure seems to KNOW what it means to be born of GOD .
mathew sure seems to know it . SISTER as every day continues i grow far more worried and far more concerned for you .
YOU SEEM to be drawn to certain folks and REPULSED by others . This is not looking good sister . not at all .

Sounds like a bit of jealousy going on here.

Would you like a cuddle from Mummy.LOL.

I’m done here, made my point very clearly .good day to you both, no more from me.l

Except that I never sin .toodle pip.

 

[amigo de christo]

Romans 6​

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King James Version​

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6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

I already fully agree with this . the same man wrote as did john warning brethren not to sin .
Those who SIN rebuke before all that others might fear .
same man wrote to timothy speaking well of rightly dividing the word of truth .
they all warned against sinning . They all warned about CONTINUING IN CHRIST
IF that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you , YOU SHALL CONTINUE in the FATHER , N THE SON .
you all pick and choose sister what things to beleive and what things to omit .
WHY o why did you have such a problem with me for reminding the brethren to get into and stay in the scriptures .
The scriptures , i might add that yourself use to contradict other scrips . something went wrong rita .
But i bring words of hope and not condemnation . OTHERWISE I would say ITS TOO LATE FOR YOU
and would never have bothered to correct . Rita you are in danger sister , if i didnt love you and desire only GOOD for you
i would have not warned you . Just read the bible for yourself . Do not fear to read the letters as a whole .
YE have no need that men guide you with a few scrips here and there . YOU read for you and learn well them scrips for you .

 

[amigo de christo]

Sounds like a bit of jealousy going on here.

Would you like a cuddle from Mummy.LOL.

I’m done here, made my point very clearly .good day to you both, no more from me.l

Except that I never sin .toodle pip.

not jealously rita . Its all out fear . I KNOW what both epi and mathew teach sister . ITS BAD NEWS SISTER .
its bad news . my heart yearns only for your well being . only for your well being .

 

[Ritajanice]

Unfortunately there are those who have no knowledge of being Born Of God that his seed remains in them.

They try and fear monger with their posts.insinuating that we are destined to hell if we don’t agree with their doctrine..that we sin.

A Born Again cannot go on sinning as his seed remains in us...this is where they have been blinded by Gods truth..they are so indoctrinated that their eyes have been blinded and their ears cannot hear.

just look how these religious leaders can’t answer any of my Spirit questions...point made.

I pray for them to have the scales removed from their eyes that they receive by divine heart revelation the truth that a Born Again cannot go on sinning.as God’s Living seed remains in them..this part is spiritually discerned...I post Gods word, unfortunately what they post contradicts the word of God.

I never listen to their false preaching..in Jesus Name!..Amen!

Not worth arguing with them ,sadly imo, they are indoctrinated.

 

[amigo de christo]

 

[Ritajanice]

John 3:3-8​

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King James Version​

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3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit

1 Peter 1

King James Version

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1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:
7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

 

[Rita]

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