Are you sending your neighbors to Hell?
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I didn’t twist your words and intentionally twisting the words of others benefits no one.
If I were you, I would direct interested readers to your many posts and threads on the subject of doctrine. Perhaps you will provide the thread titles and forum locations for their convenience.
You also have the opportunity now to restate your position on doctrine here, if you feel it necessary and desire to do so.
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“To rise from error to truth is rare and beautiful.” - Victor Hugo
Honour Edward William Fudge - Afterlife | Conditional Immortality
It is with a deep sense of gratitude that we Honour Edward William Fudge, who passed away on November 26. What an outstanding contribution he has made.
Being Baptist (if I remember correctly), I thought you might appreciate this piece (“In Honour of Edward William Fudge”) written by Baptist Pastor Warren Prestidge.
Pastor Prestidge also wrote a book on the subject of conditional immortality titled Life, Death & Destiny. If you haven’t read, I would recommend it to you.
He also runs a website in New Zealand which contains many articles on the subject. Here is a link to the site, for you and / or others who may be interested.
Afterlife: Evangelical Conditional Immortality
Exploring issues of the afterlife from a Christian Evangelical Perspective including human nature, the soul, life after death, final punishment, the resurrection and eternity
RLT63
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Thank you“To rise from error to truth is rare and beautiful.” - Victor Hugo
Honour Edward William Fudge - Afterlife | Conditional Immortality
It is with a deep sense of gratitude that we Honour Edward William Fudge, who passed away on November 26. What an outstanding contribution he has made.www.afterlife.co.nz
Being Baptist (if I remember correctly), I thought you might appreciate this piece (“In Honour of Edward William Fudge”) written by Baptist Pastor Warren Prestidge.
Pastor Prestidge also wrote a book on the subject of conditional immortality titled Life, Death & Destiny. If you haven’t read, I would recommend it to you.
He also runs a website in New Zealand which contains many articles on the subject. Here is a link to the site, for you and / or others who may be interested.
Afterlife: Evangelical Conditional Immortality
Exploring issues of the afterlife from a Christian Evangelical Perspective including human nature, the soul, life after death, final punishment, the resurrection and eternity
“Unquenchable courage”
I’m close to finishing reading The Little Shepherd of Kingdom Come; a novel about the Civil War in Kentucky. The author uses the phrase “unquenchable courage” (p. 270) to describe a Union soldier’s admiration of the Confederate soldiers he is fighting against. There was nothing a Union soldier could do, implies the author, that would extinguish the courage of the South’s fighting men. The Confederates - outnumbered and ill supplied - just kept coming. Their unquenchable courage ceased, quenched, on the battlefield only when death rendered them no longer able to act [courageously or otherwise].
I’m close to finishing reading The Little Shepherd of Kingdom Come; a novel about the Civil War in Kentucky. The author uses the phrase “unquenchable courage” (p. 270) to describe a Union soldier’s admiration of the Confederate soldiers he is fighting against. There was nothing a Union soldier could do, implies the author, that would extinguish the courage of the South’s fighting men. The Confederates - outnumbered and ill supplied - just kept coming. Their unquenchable courage ceased, quenched, on the battlefield only when death rendered them no longer able to act [courageously or otherwise].
Pancho Frijoles
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To state with confidence that "no Christian" is going to pay attention to X or Y, you would need to have a comprehensive and intimal knowledge of the minds and lives of around 2400 million Christians. Alternatively, you would have to be appointed by those Christians as their representative or spokesperson.
Humbleness starts with recognizing our own position.
I do not speak in the name of God, or in the name of my religious community. My opinions are as fallible as those of anyone else. I am fully responsible for the opinions I post.
I don't come here to "instruct", but to share and, if possible, to help building bridges between believers.
May God continue to bless your life and that of your family and beloved ones, Dan.
Pancho Frijoles
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Notice how the words "FILLED" and "FOREVER" are capitalized in the post that I'm quoting.
Some people seem emotionally attached to a doctrine in which millions of his fellowmen suffer unbelievable pain forever. A hell in which people like @Matthias and me get from God indestructible physical bodies that withstand third-grade burns and Sulphur gas intoxication for the sole purpose of feeling pain day and night. A torture that, because of our beliefs, we deserve.
However, maybe this emotional attachment to hell is mere appearance.
Perhaps what these people are emotionally attached to is not hell as such, but the Bible as a text to be interpreted as literally as possible.
Perhaps the doctrinal tower they have has built, where their self-esteem and religious identity seek refuge, has as cornerstone the text, rather than the Christ which the text was meant to reveal.
Challenge that foundation, and the tower collapses.
The fear of collapsing is so big, that these brothers and sisters are willing to sacrifice rationality, prudence, kindness, love, mental health, everything. How to deal with this situation? Not sure, but I imagine we should stick to the love of Christ.
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Agree.
From the OP (opening post #1)
Christian Universalism has an answer.
- Does Christian Universalism sidestep the justice of God?
- Does Christian Universalism deny the justice of God?
- Where did Christian Universalism come from? - New or old?
Apokatastasis in the early church
When many hear about Apokatastasis (the restoration of all things), Universalism, Christian Universalism, Universal Restoration, Universal Reconciliation, Ultimate Redemption, Ultimate Reconciliation, UR... There is an assumption that this is a new idea. Something modern liberal theologians...
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Pancho Frijoles
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I did not… but it would be better to evade Scripture, than to quote Scripture while evading reason.
Sounds like JW confusion!
Matthew 5:22
22 Whoever says, 'You fool!' shall be in danger of hell fire.
Pancho Frijoles
Active Member
I’m not calling you fool, @Jack. I believe you are a noble, intelligent being. You and me are like waves of the same sea.
We all evade reason when we feel afraid or confused… we evade reason when we feel that our personal attachments are being threatened.
Quoting Scripture while avoiding reason results from making the text the foundation of our life.
God existed before the first page of the Bible was written.
Our notions of good and evil existed before we read the first page of the Bible. Those notions were nurtured by our mothers at home.
Among those notions is the certainty that defending people of all religions from being hurted is good.
We all evade reason when we feel afraid or confused… we evade reason when we feel that our personal attachments are being threatened.
Quoting Scripture while avoiding reason results from making the text the foundation of our life.
God existed before the first page of the Bible was written.
Our notions of good and evil existed before we read the first page of the Bible. Those notions were nurtured by our mothers at home.
Among those notions is the certainty that defending people of all religions from being hurted is good.
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