Are we in the precursor to what becomes Hell?

[pittsburghjoe]

Does being made in God's image intrinsically cause free will and eternal life? Can we think somewhat like God because of this?

Is this why souls in Hell have to live forever? We can't complain about it because it is what allows us to think with an infinite soul.

Are we given a similar choice to Adam and Eve but from within the fallen reality they caused us to be born in? Are we choosing Jesus over the sin that is possible here?

If Adam and Eve were created physical, why wasn't the Son of God physical before original sin?
What are the scientific requirements to be one with God? I don't think a physical body can achieve it. Jesus is a special case because he is God and can do anything.

If angel sin isn't physical, was the tree of knowledge connected to the sin of Satan? Did it represent the free will choice they had? Was Adam not created with knowledge of evil because that would have caused this fallen reality without disobeying God? (edit: God doesn't create anything that is evil, the garden was made of good, I'm just saying original sin had to have happened)

 

[CharismaticLady]

Does being made in God's image intrinsically cause free will and eternal life? Can we think somewhat like God because of this?

Is this why souls in Hell have to live forever? We can't complain about it because it is what allows us to think with an infinite soul.

Are we given a similar choice to Adam and Eve but from within the fallen reality they caused us to be born in? Are we choosing Jesus over the sin that is possible here?

If Adam and Eve were created physical, why wasn't the Son of God physical before original sin?
What are the scientific requirements to be one with God? I don't think a physical body can achieve it. Jesus is a special case because he is God and can do anything.

If angel sin isn't physical, was the tree of knowledge connected to the sin of Satan? Did it represent the free will choice they had? Was Adam not created with knowledge of evil because that would have caused this fallen reality without disobeying God?

I have my own thoughts on this, but your questions are interesting.

I believe Adam was created immortal, but when he willfully sinned that caused his spirit to become mortal, and his nature to become carnal. Angels are created immortal and Satan and his angels remain immortal.

Hell is forever, and was made for Satan and his immortal angels. They will be there forever.

Unsaved mankind with mortal spirits will die instantly in the second death.

But a Christian who becomes born again, goes from death to life. Their spirit is now immortal. And eventually their mortal body will die and at the resurrection will put on immortality. But woe to a born again Christian that later rejects Christ. There spirit is still immortal.

2 Peter 2:
20 For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. 21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. 22 But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: “A dog returns to his own vomit,” and, “a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.”

Hebrews 10:

26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. ... 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

 

[CharismaticLady]

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[Stumpmaster]

What are the scientific requirements to be one with God?

None.

 

[Stumpmaster]

If angel sin isn't physical, was the tree of knowledge connected to the sin of Satan? Did it represent the free will choice they had? Was Adam not created with knowledge of evil because that would have caused this fallen reality without disobeying God?

• It wasn't called just the Tree of Knowledge but the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, and prior to eating of it Adam and Eve did not have knowledge of good and evil. Their act of disobedience gave them that experiential knowledge in that they knew they had done what they weren't supposed to.
• The connection with Satan is that he tempted Eve to disobey God by taking and eating fruit from the TOTKOFGAE.
• The suggestion that this fallen reality could be caused without the first two humans disobeying God is contrary to Scripture and defeats reason. It is exactly the disobedient act of eating forbidden fruit that resulted in the Fall of Creation.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

• It wasn't called just the Tree of Knowledge but the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, and prior to eating of it Adam and Eve did not have knowledge of good and evil. Their act of disobedience gave them that experiential knowledge in that they knew they had done what they weren't supposed to.
• The connection with Satan is that he tempted Eve to disobey God by taking and eating fruit from the TOTKOFGAE.
• The suggestion that this fallen reality could be caused without the first two humans disobeying God is contrary to Scripture and defeats reason. It is exactly the disobedient act of eating forbidden fruit that resulted in the Fall of Creation.

You know what good is when you live in it. We know what both are because we are in a fallen reality.

I was dealing with some atheists that were trying to play a game with me over Adam not knowing what the evil was in the Tree before touching it. You, of course, are correct that God doesn't create anything evil. Adam only needed told not to touch it and that he would die if he did. He ended up choosing to follow Satan over God.

 

[Stumpmaster]

Are we in the precursor to what becomes Hell?

No. This Psalm and its quoting in Acts speaks of hell existing simultaneously with this temporal existence.

Psa 16:10 For you will not leave my soul in hell; neither will you suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Act 2:22-27 You men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as you yourselves also know: (23) Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, you have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: (24) Whom God has raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it. (25) For David speaks concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved: (26) Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope: (27) Because you will not leave my soul in hell, neither will you suffer your Holy One to see corruption.

 

[Bobby Jo]

... Jesus is a special case because he is God and can do anything. ...

Ummmmmmmmmmm, Jesus emptied HIMSELF while on earth so that HE could be Tempted, Suffer Hunger, Pain, Thirst, and DEATH; so that HE could become our Savior.

If you think about it, if Jesus were PERFECT, (HE was SINLESS), then why did it take TWO ATTEMPTS to heal the blind man. -- Moses was PARTIALLY TRANSFIGURED when his face shown LIGHT; Peter walked on water; etc., etc.

-- Sometimes church doctrines bias our understanding of Scripture, including the above; the purported 7-Year tribulation; the purported fulfillment of Jesus in Dan. 9; the purported Catholic Church in Rev. 17; the purported "Nero" in the "666"; and on, and on, and on.

With Very Best Regards,
Bobby Jo

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Does Einstein's relativity describe this fallen reality that original sin caused us to be born into?

 

[Bobby Jo]

Does Einstein's relativity describe this fallen reality that original sin caused us to be born into?

MOST CERTAINLY, -- if you've departed from REALITY. And there are people who've been "INSTITUTIONALIZED" who will GLADLY AGREE WITH YOU!


Bobby Jo

 

[pittsburghjoe]

What do you think of the idea that Adam and Eve knew what Good was before eating from the tree because they were living in it?

We are quantum waves right now, but this fallen reality causes the waves to be decoherent. This place isn't compatible with God's Kingdom.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

What was this fallen reality like when only fallen angels were here before us?
God cast the fallen angels to the physical earth? Is this just where all fallen go even if angels don't use physicality?
We can't currently see God's Kingdom, so we couldn't see the fallen reality when we were in the Kingdom?

 

[pittsburghjoe]

There had to be two realities running for the fallen angels to have been cast somewhere before us.
The fallen reality has entropy, death, and disorder ..sin

 

[pittsburghjoe]

God's Kingdom = Waves
fallen reality = particles

 

[pittsburghjoe]

God placed the Free Will choice to be in this fallen reality at the tree. The two realities met there, when you eat from the tree you take on the fallen reality. The fallen reality causes: a present state (the now), physicality, entropy, death, and decay. This place allows sin to happen.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Was Satan at the Tree of Knowledge because that is where the fallen reality pokes its head out at in the garden?

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Why else was Satan there if it wasn't the gateway?

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Did God use something that was already fallen to be the choice that allowed Free Will? God doesn't create evil, so using something that was already fallen sounds about right.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Is Satan able to be anywhere that has something fallen? Does that mean he is connected to decoherence somehow? Is he able to do this because he was the first to sin? Is this how he was able to be at the Tree of Knowledge?

 

[Taken]

Does being made in God's image intrinsically cause free will and eternal life?

Being in Gods Likeness, is the goal.
Reaching that goal requires the individual to
Believe, Trust, Commit to God.
Thereafter the individual has the internal Power of God; (Salvation/Born Again)
AND has available to use the Power of God for direction and Guidance...
or continue to rely on his own power ...and individually be accountable for Consequences of his word and actions.

Jesus- The Word of God; came to Earth, humbled, without reputation, in the "Likeness" as a human man, to teach ...
Human men; Verbally and By Sight...
HOW human men could Become in Gods "Likeness"...as Acceptable BY God...
BY Hearing and Observing Jesus...as an Example- for Human men.