Are Mormons Christians? (Latter Day Saints)

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While Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery were working on the translation of the Book of Mormon, they read about baptism for the remission of sins. On May 15, 1829, they went to a wooded area near Joseph’s home in Harmony, Pennsylvania, and prayed about what they had learned.


In answer to their prayer, John the Baptist, under the direction of the Lord Jesus Christ, appeared and conferred upon them the Aaronic Priesthood, saying, “Upon you my fellow servants, in the name of Messiah I confer the Priesthood of Aaron, which holds the keys of the ministering of angels, and of the gospel of repentance, and of baptism by immersion for the remission of sins.”3 Following John’s instructions, Joseph and Oliver then baptized each other and ordained each other to the Aaronic Priesthood.4


Sometime after John the Baptist’s appearance, the ancient Apostles Peter, James, and John also appeared to Joseph and Oliver, again under the direction of Jesus Christ, and conferred upon them the Melchizedek Priesthood.5 “The Melchizedek Priesthood holds the right of presidency, and has power and authority over all the offices in the church in all ages of the world, to administer in spiritual things.”6 With this authority again on the earth, the Church of Jesus Christ could be restored in its fulness.

Restoration of the Priesthood

After the death of Jesus’s original Apostles, the priesthood was taken from the earth. It was restored to Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery by John the Baptist and Peter, James, and John.

www.churchofjesuschrist.org

 

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Marks, does your definition of God depend on man?

How do you mean?

Much love!

 

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In harmony with the plan of happiness, the premortal Jesus Christ, the Firstborn Son of the Father in the spirit, covenanted to be the Savior.2 Those who followed Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ were permitted to come to the earth to experience mortality and progress toward eternal life. Lucifer, another spirit son of God, rebelled against the plan and “sought to destroy the agency of man.”3 He became Satan, and he and his followers were cast out of heaven and denied the privileges of receiving a physical body and experiencing mortality.4

You'll notice that Jesus and Satan are both presented as "the spirit children of God". Does this sound like Christianity to anyone here?

Much love!

 

[Jane_Doe22]

How do you mean?

Much love!

Rather than talking about the nature of God, you've copy/pasted a bunch of stuff on the nature of man. What is the relevance -- does your definition of God depend on the definition of man?

Another exhibit: you try to deflect from talking about Christ to talking about Satan:

You'll notice that Jesus and Satan are both presented as "the spirit children of God". Does this sound like Christianity to anyone here?

Much love!

Does you definition of God depend on Satan?

If yes, then this is relevant and we can talk about it.
If not, then this is irrelevant deflection and hazing to deny mine and other LDS Christians relationship with Christ.

 

[amadeus]

mixture has always been the fuel and the food of the lukewarm . YOU are right indeed dear sister .
GOD didnt like it when the jews did it with baal , And HE STILL dont like it . NEVER WILL sister .
SO HE did warn didnt he . The gray is the working of the lukewarm .
but know this on the day of the LORD there was not THREE GROUPS .
its not goats on the left and sheep on the right and shoats or geep in the middle .
THERE is no gray in the eyes of the LORD . EITHER ITS TRUTH or its a lie .
EITHER its sin or its not a sin . BUT IT CANNOT BE BOTH . its SIN IF ITS BOTH .
actually is a delusion if its both . Ye cannot serve GOD and mammon ,
ye cannot love the world and GOD . by world i mean the lusts of the flesh , pride of life and etc
YE cannot serve both darkness and light

And God doesn't like 'mixture'.

And growth in the right direction is away from lies and away from mixtures [truth and lies] and toward God's truth alone. What did Jesus lack?

Lu 1:80

And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, and was in the deserts till the day of his showing unto Israel.

And what do any of us still lack?

Ro 3:23

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Are all of us still coming up short of all that God has to offer or have some of already stopped growing because there is no more?

Eph 4:13

Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Jas 3:2

For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.

 

[amigo de christo]

Lu 1:80

And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, and was in the deserts till the day of his showing unto Israel.

And what do any of us still lack?

Ro 3:23

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Are all of us still coming up short of all that God has to offer or have some of already stopped growing because there is no more?

Eph 4:13

Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Jas 3:2

For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.

we correct all error and expose all false doctrine , we expose false ones who continually
lead peoples astray through the winds of their crafity doctrines .
Most are not gonna come into the UNITY of the faith my friend , because
they just keep sitting under false doctrines and worse we are now being told to keep company
with such . the only thing that results out of that is , WE FALL AWAY TOO ,
we cannot forget to expose that which is false . Now a church in revleation had done this .
THEY had not been warning against a false prophetess who was teaching and seducing the people .
AND GOD was NOT AT ALL HAPPY WITH THEM WHO DID THIS .
the mormon religoin is dangerous amadeus . i dont hate mormons or catholics or etc
BUT THEM places are A DANGER unto those who sit under it . I JUST expose what is false .

 

[Wrangler]

rather odd all the apostels did . and did teach the church to do so .

Friend, I'll type this slowly so you can read and understand it better ... Jesus did not command us to argue doctrine. It seems that does not matter to you!

When I met Mormons, we did life together. Their goodness made an impression on me.

Maybe I did not become good enough friends to discuss Scripture with them. We are not supposed to even be friends to each other. Unbelievers are our neighbors. Fellow believers are supposed to be brothers and sisters in Christ. When I think about all these threads on CyB that relentless bash certain denominations, I get sick to my stomach and think of these verses.

I was hungry, but you did not give me anything to eat, and I was thirsty, but you did not give me anything to drink. I was a stranger, but you did not welcome me, and I was naked, but you did not give me any clothes to wear. I was sick and in jail, but you did not take care of me.”
Then the people will ask, “Lord, when did we fail to help you when you were hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in jail?” The king will say to them, “Whenever you failed to help any of my people, no matter how unimportant they seemed, you failed to do it for me.”
Matthew 25:42-45 (CEV)

NOTE: The above says nothing about "under the condition their doctrine is right." Maybe Christ's doctrines could be deemed wrong by you! I will stand with the Mormons and other persecuted Christ followers as I would for Christ, himself.

 

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Rather than talking about the nature of God, you've copy/pasted a bunch of stuff on the nature of man. What is the relevance -- does your definition of God depend on the definition of man?

Another exhibit: you try to deflect from talking about Christ to talking about Satan:

Does you definition of God depend on Satan?

If yes, then this is relevant and we can talk about it.
If not, then this is irrelevant deflection and hazing to deny mine and other LDS Christians relationship with Christ.

I've just been posting some information. There seems to be a lot of confusion among some thinking that LDS is like Christianity, and it's not.

This website I've been quoting from, is it in your opinion accurate?

Much love!

 

[Jane_Doe22]

I've just been posting some information. There seems to be a lot of confusion among some thinking that LDS is like Christianity, and it's not.

This website I've been quoting from, is it in your opinion accurate?

You've been copy/paste spamming. For an extreme example, even Satan can do that & even quote God's words.

Now, understanding and thinking are a different story (Satan obviously misunderstands God's words).

It's you choice whether you want to seek Truth & understanding, or just keep mindless copy/paste spamming and using that ignorance to deny my relationship with Christ.

 

[amigo de christo]

Friend, I'll type this slowly so you can read and understand it better ... Jesus did not command us to argue doctrine. It seems that does not matter to you!

When I met Mormons, we did life together. Their goodness made an impression on me.

Maybe I did not become good enough friends to discuss Scripture with them. We are not supposed to even be friends to each other. Unbelievers are our neighbors. Fellow believers are supposed to be brothers and sisters in Christ. When I think about all these threads on CyB that relentless bash certain denominations, I get sick to my stomach and think of these verses.

I was hungry, but you did not give me anything to eat, and I was thirsty, but you did not give me anything to drink. I was a stranger, but you did not welcome me, and I was naked, but you did not give me any clothes to wear. I was sick and in jail, but you did not take care of me.”
Then the people will ask, “Lord, when did we fail to help you when you were hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in jail?” The king will say to them, “Whenever you failed to help any of my people, no matter how unimportant they seemed, you failed to do it for me.”
Matthew 25:42-45 (CEV)

NOTE: The above says nothing about "under the condition their doctrine is right." Maybe Christ's doctrines could be deemed wrong by you! I will stand with the Mormons and other persecuted Christ followers as I would for Christ, himself.

we are not to be unequally yoked . that dont mean we cannot do GOOD to them , like feed them and etc .
IT DO MEAN not to unequally yoked with THEM .
And if any within the churches teaches doctrine contrary to the DOCTRINE ye have learned , mark them and AVOID THEM .
we do CORRECT THE CHURCH my friend . ONLY not with baptist methodists catholic and other junk .
WITH THE BIBLICAL DOCTRINE . not the denominatial teachings of men .
I WISH TO GOD people would just throw away all their denominational stuff
and start over in the bible for themselves . HAD WE JUST taught THAT DOCTRINE and that PATTERN . hurry , and dont look back
either . Just get back in the bible and enjoy .

 

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Marks, does your definition of God depend on man?

Is God the Father the same kind of spirit as are we? I'm not talking about how much He loves, for instance, that would be about what He does. I'm talking about what He is.

What I've been told in the past is that all of us, you, me, the guy on the other side of the world, God the Father, Satan, Jesus, Michael the archangel, I've been told we are all the same kind of spirit, none made of "better stuff", only that the Father loves the most, and Satan loves the least. That Jesus loves like the Father, but the Father a little more so, which is why He is the Father. But that all spirits are the same "kind" of being.

Is this correct?

Much love!

 

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You've been copy/paste spamming.

I've been posting selected info. Do you consider that website correct or incorrect? Is what I'm posting correct? Inconvenient? Incorrect?

Much love!

 

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In the premortal life, our Heavenly Father called a Grand Council to present His plan for our progression.1 We learned that if we followed His plan, we would become like Him. We would be resurrected; we would have all power in heaven and on earth; we would become heavenly parents and have spirit children just as He does.2


We learned that He would provide an earth for us where we would prove ourselves.3 A veil would cover our memories, and we would forget our heavenly home. This would be necessary so we could exercise our agency to choose good or evil without being influenced by the memory of living with our Heavenly Father. He would help us recognize the truth when we heard it again on earth.4

Council in Heaven

In the premortal life, our Heavenly Father called a Grand Council to present His plan for our progression.

www.churchofjesuschrist.org

 

[amigo de christo]

You've been copy/paste spamming. For an extreme example, even Satan can do that & even quote God's words.

Now, understanding and thinking are a different story (Satan obviously misunderstands God's words).

It's you choice whether you want to seek Truth & understanding, or just keep mindless copy/paste spamming and using that ignorance to deny my relationship with Christ.

you should see what i read in their own books and teachings . YOU are simply trying to overlook the deadly dangerous doctirines
that jospeh smith and later bringem young taught . But you are not alone
a lot of others within their own denominations are now removing their core doctrines too .
AND while that might have sounded great , ITS ONLY CAUSE THEY ALL have and are buying into an even greater lie
to unify . EVEN JESUS is getting TROD UNDER FOOT by this false unity love common ground crap .
My advice to all is this . Just get back in THE BIBLE ITSELF for YOU
forget the teachings and docrtrines of your denominations and etc
and start learning for yourselves . cause had folks done that , THE CHURCH WOULD UNIFY UNDER GOD UNDER CHRIST
and not rather UNDER ANTI CHRIST that so many now are uniyfing as one under .

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Is God the Father the same kind of spirit as are we? I'm not talking about how much He loves, for instance, that would be about what He does. I'm talking about what He is.

What I've been told in the past is that all of us, you, me, the guy on the other side of the world, God the Father, Satan, Jesus, Michael the archangel, I've been told we are all the same kind of spirit, none made of "better stuff", only that the Father loves the most, and Satan loves the least. That Jesus loves like the Father, but the Father a little more so, which is why He is the Father. But that all spirits are the same "kind" of being.

Is this correct?

Much love!

Please answer my point blank question: Does you definition of God depend on man? "Yes", or "no".

After you answer and show thought, then I can respond and we can have a conversation.

 

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to deny my relationship with Christ.

I'm not saying anything about you. No need to take things personally.

I'm finding from this thread that there is a lack of understanding of the distinctives of LDS teaching, and I've been posting some select examples, from their own source.

Much love!

 

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Under the direction of Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ created the heavens and the earth.1 From scripture revealed through the Prophet Joseph Smith, we know that in the work of the Creation, the Lord organized elements that had already existed.2 He did not create the world “out of nothing,” as some people believe.

The scriptures also teach that Adam was “the first man of all men.”3 God created Adam and Eve in His own image and in the image of His Only Begotten.4

The Creation is an integral part of Heavenly Father’s plan of salvation. It gives each of us the opportunity to come to the earth, where we receive a physical body and exercise our agency. In the premortal Council of the Gods, the following declaration was made: “We will go down, for there is space there, and we will take of these materials, and we will make an earth whereon these may dwell; and we will prove them herewith, to see if they will do all things whatsoever the Lord their God shall command them.”5

Creation

Jesus Christ created the heavens and the earth, organizing elements that already existed.

www.churchofjesuschrist.org

 

[Jane_Doe22]

I'm not saying anything about you. No need to take things personally.

I'm finding from this thead that there is a lack of understanding of the distinctives of LDS teaching, and I've been posting some select examples, from their own source.

Much love!

You are trying to address the question "Are Mormons Christian". I'm a "Mormon", hence the question can be proxied "Is Jane a Christian?"

You are literally judging me and denying MY relationship with Christ.

 

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Please answer my point blank question: Does you definition of God depend on man? "Yes", or "no".

I don't understand what you are asking me. The Bible was penned by men by authored by God. My understanding of God is from Him, yet I am but a man. Can you as a more meaningfully worded question?

Much love!

 

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You are trying to address the question "Are Mormons Christian". I'm a "Mormon", hence the question can be proxied "Is Jane a Christian?"

You are literally judging me and denying MY relationship with Christ.

Only if you take it that way.

Maybe my source I've been quoting isn't accurate? You've not affirmed that it is. Maybe it's accurately presenting LDS teaching, but you don't hold to all of it? You've not affirmed that either. Maybe I've taken it out of context, and it seems to say one thing, but it needs more context? You've not affirmed that either.

Only, somehow, in posting LDS teaching from an LDS site I'm judging your personal walk with Christ.

It sounds like you aren't denying the validity of these quotations, only that your are endeavoring to impugn me for posting them as if it were a personal attack.

I simply think there is a lack of knowledge of LDS teaching. This does not mean there cannot be individual LDS members who know and walk with Christ.

You are literally judging me and denying MY relationship with Christ.

What I'm literally doing is posting teachings from an LDS website.

Much love!