Are demons/fallen angels capable of loving themselves?

[friend of]

Since God is the truest essence of what Love actually is and since He has abdicated Himself from that race of rebellious angels and their cohorts the demons (if there's a difference between them at all) how then is it possible for these evil ones to love anything or anyone at all, including themselves?

On one hand, I think they probably do love themselves and only themselves (pride is self-obsession), it's just not the same kind of love as God's love. They rebelled because they wanted to be their own gods and put their own self-wills above God's will. This implies that they regard themselves with high-esteem to some degree.

Would they then be capable of loving their fellow evil cohorts? In the same way evil human beings love others around them who are evil whose presence enables them to gratify themselves and promulgate evil in this world? Is there warring's and strivings and jockying for position in the demonic hierarchy between the egos of those evil angels, like the same competition man has between his fellow man in this world, or are they all of one accord, much like the angels of heaven in their ranks?

 

[MatthewG]

All that comes to my mind is this:

Love Your Enemies
(Leviticus 24:17–23; Luke 6:27–36)

38You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’o 39But I tell you not to resist an evil person. If someone slaps you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also; 40if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well;41and if someone forces you to go one mile,p go with him two miles.q 42Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

43You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor’r and ‘Hate your enemy.’ 44But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,s 45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Do not even tax collectors do the same? 47And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even Gentiles do the same?

48Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.



Of course I don't believe fallen angels, or demons exist anymore having been done away with by Jesus Christ. Do believe Darkness, and spirits of the world still exist.

 

[TheOneHeLoves]

Simple terms. No they can not love themselves as they don't know what LOVE is. God is Love. They are full of pride, envy and deceit. Demonic spirits still exist, they roam the earth and look for people to control. Turn on the news and see all the demon possessed people in the world. They harm not only others but themselves as they don't know how to love.

 

[MatthewG]

Best bet is to turn the news off in my opinion. I don’t watch the stuff. But people believe what they want, I don’t see people as demons. Human beings either choose to love the darkness or love the light only seen from Jesus who is the light of all mankind.

 

[friend of]

Simple terms. No they can not love themselves as they don't know what LOVE is. God is Love. They are full of pride, envy and deceit. Demonic spirits still exist, they roam the earth and look for people to control. Turn on the news and see all the demon possessed people in the world. They harm not only others but themselves as they don't know how to love.

At one point before their rebellion they must have known what Love is. Did they lose that knowledge in the fall? Did got extricate it from their being? If they are full of pride and envy, that seems to suggest a will to self preservation, does it not?

 

[TheOneHeLoves]

Best bet is to turn the news off in my opinion. I don’t watch the stuff. But people believe what they want, I don’t see people as demons. Human beings either choose to love the darkness or love the light only seen from Jesus who is the light of all mankind.

Scripture shows us that people are demon possessed.

John 13:27 As soon as Judas took the bread, Satan entered into him.

Mark 1:32 & 34 & 39, Luke 11:14, 1 Cor 10:20, Romans 8:38, Matt 11:18, Mark 5:12, James 2:19, Acts 16:18

 

[MatthewG]

Sorry I don’t believe people are demon possessed due to Jesus Christ and his victory over Satan and his angels. You may believe that if you choose to, I choose not to anymore. No condemnation from me towards you, and I do believe there was a time demon possession was real; just not anymore due to the victory of Christ over all things, sin, death, Satan, the beast, the false prophet, Satans angels, hell/hades/Sheol. Most people don’t believe this, so it’s kind of a give and take. @TheOneHeLoves.

 

[MatthewG]

I do believe darkness exist and spirits of the world like spirit of anger, spirit of lust, spirit of manipulation.

Jesus said people loved darkness more than the light.

“And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him may have eternal life.” For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God sent the Son into the world, not to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through him. He who believes in him is not condemned; he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. And this is the judgment, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one who does evil hates the light, and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. But he who does what is true comes to the light, that it may be clearly seen that his deeds have been wrought in God.”
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John 3:14-21 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him may have eternal life.” For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, th | Revised Standard Version (RSV) | D

And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him may have eternal life.” For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, th

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[friend of]

Sorry I don’t believe people are demon possessed due to Jesus Christ and his victory over Satan and his angels. You may believe that if you choose to, I choose not to anymore. No condemnation from me towards you, and I do believe there was a time demon possession was real; just not anymore due to the victory of Christ over all things, sin, death, Satan, the beast, the false prophet, Satans angels, hell/hades/Sheol. Most people don’t believe this, so it’s kind of a give and take. @TheOneHeLoves.

Not everyone is in Christ though. So not everyone is protected by his victory. Only the believers.

 

[MatthewG]

From my perspective Jesus has had the victory even for unbelievers. The only thing though is due to unbelief I believe God justifies this in which they are not saved to the Kingdom. They are saved from all the other things, so this is why I don’t believe people are demon possessed, @friend of and hope you can understand my stance on that matter. They simply aren’t saved to the kingdom, by their own merit to choose not to believe.

According to John in the book of Revelation, there are two places God has set up, for unbelievers outside the kingdom, for believers inside.

 

[Scott Downey]

17 These are wells without water, [g]clouds carried by a tempest, for whom is reserved the blackness of darkness [h]forever.

There is no love in hell, and the fallen ones know they are going there, some already are in that place, locked away by the Lord into gloomy dungeons which in the Greek is Tartarus. Jesus calls it a place of weeping and gnashing of teeth.

2 Peter 2
But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. 3 By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction [a]does not slumber.

Doom of False Teachers
4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to [b]hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; 5 and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; 6 and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly; 7 and delivered righteous Lot, who was oppressed by the filthy conduct of the wicked 8 (for that righteous man, dwelling among them, tormented his righteous soul from day to day by seeing and hearing their lawless deeds)— 9 then the Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations and to reserve the unjust under punishment for the day of judgment, 10 and especially those who walk according to the flesh in the lust of uncleanness and despise authority. They are presumptuous, self-willed. They are not afraid to speak evil of [c]dignitaries, 11 whereas angels, who are greater in power and might, do not bring a reviling accusation against them before the Lord.

Depravity of False Teachers​

12 But these, like natural brute beasts made to be caught and destroyed, speak evil of the things they do not understand, and will utterly perish in their own corruption, 13 and will receive the wages of unrighteousness, as those who count it pleasure to [d]carouse in the daytime. They are spots and blemishes, [e]carousing in their own deceptions while they feast with you, 14 having eyes full of [f]adultery and that cannot cease from sin, enticing unstable souls. They have a heart trained in covetous practices, and are accursed children. 15 They have forsaken the right way and gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Beor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness; 16 but he was rebuked for his iniquity: a dumb donkey speaking with a man’s voice restrained the madness of the prophet.

17 These are wells without water, [g]clouds carried by a tempest, for whom is reserved the blackness of darkness [h]forever.

 

[Scott Downey]

In Greek mythology, Tartarus (/ˈtɑːrtərəs/; Ancient Greek: Τάρταρος, Tártaros)[1] is the deep abyss that is used as a dungeon of torment and suffering for the wicked and as the prison for the Titans. Tartarus is the place where, according to Plato's Gorgias (c. 400 BC), souls are judged after death and where the wicked received divine punishment.

2 Peter 2:9

G5020 - tartaroō - Strong's Greek Lexicon (kjv)

G5020 - ταρταρόω tartaróō, tar-tar-o'-o; from Τάρταρος Tártaros (the deepest abyss of Hades); to incarcerate in eternal torment:—cast down to hell.

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Outline of Biblical Usage [?]

1. the name of the subterranean region, doleful and dark, regarded by the ancient Greeks as the abode of the wicked dead, where they suffer punishment for their evil deeds; it answers to Gehenna of the Jews
2. to thrust down to Tartarus, to hold captive in Tartarus

Strong’s Definitions [?](Strong’s Definitions Legend)
ταρταρόω tartaróō, tar-tar-o'-o; from Τάρταρος Tártaros (the deepest abyss of Hades); to incarcerate in eternal torment:—cast down to hell.

 

[Scott Downey]

Demons though are not fallen angels. Demons are the dead spirits of the Nephilim, the 'giants' of Genesis 6 whose bodies died in the flood releasing their evil spirits onto the world. Fallen angels for the most part are locked up in hell to await the judgement for the sins they committed when they left their heavenly abode and took wives and birthed the abominable giants, the Nephilim. They ruled the ancient world and filled the earth with violence, they corrupted all flesh and God had to destroy the world and start over using the great flood of Noah.

Demons are still free to roam this world. Satan somehow God chose to not lock away with the other fallen angels, perhaps because he did not do the sins the others did that brought on the flood. Read Jude about that.

 

[MatthewG]

You know your subject there Scott. I don’t disagree at all, just do believe those angels had been judged already, personally.

 

[Scott Downey]

You know your subject there Scott. I don’t disagree at all, just do believe those angels had been judged already, personally.

Yes, judged in a sense, but they are right now locked up in Tartarus to await the final judgement.

Book of Jude
5 But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. 6 And the angels who did not keep their [c]proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; 7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the [d]vengeance of eternal fire.

If you notice the sin of those fallen angels was the taking of women to create the Nephilim Giants and corrupt all flesh. This was the plan of Satan to prevent the birth of Christ, which meant his destruction. Christ could not have any part in Satanic manipulation of the gene pool, the corruption of the DNA he caused, as Christ was to be fully human, uncorrupted, not also part angel flesh and was to be the savior of man alone not angels, they have no claim on Christ to save them.

Noah was a perfect man in all his generations, plural. God preserved the line of Noah, his family was pure, he was all human being, not corrupted by the fallen angels. All the others, God destroys, they were like satanic hybrid creatures..

Gen 6, Noah was not a perfect man as only Christ was sinless, Noah was perfect in his generations, referring to his DNA, He was not corrupted.

9 This is the genealogy of Noah. Noah was a just man, [f]perfect in his generations. Noah walked with God. 10 And Noah begot three sons: Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

 

[MatthewG]

Not going into the nephelim thanks.

Just stating I believe they done been taken care of and done away with Scott, from my perspective of what the Bible states with Revelation 20. Though most believe 4-20 hasn’t even happened yet.

 

[amigo de christo]

Sorry I don’t believe people are demon possessed due to Jesus Christ and his victory over Satan and his angels. You may believe that if you choose to, I choose not to anymore. No condemnation from me towards you, and I do believe there was a time demon possession was real; just not anymore due to the victory of Christ over all things, sin, death, Satan, the beast, the false prophet, Satans angels, hell/hades/Sheol. Most people don’t believe this, so it’s kind of a give and take. @TheOneHeLoves.

Christains are not demon possesed . but unbelievers and etc sure can be .
Its true there is power in the blood , but ya gotta believe and follow JESUS to have such power over the darkness.
Otherwise they sure can be possesed .

 

[friend of]

I do believe darkness exist and spirits of the world like spirit of anger, spirit of lust, spirit of manipulation.

Okay so you believe that there are spirits that tempt us to evil right? Where do you think such spirits come from if not from the active enemies of God?

 

[grumix8]

They cannot love themselve only A lie.

 

[MatthewG]

I simply believe what James has written,

13 When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; 14 but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed. 15 Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.
16 Don’t be deceived, my dear brothers and sisters. 17 Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows. 18 He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of all he created.



But we wrestle around with the darkness of the world,

The Armor of God​

10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.


I believe Satan was cast out heaven with the death of Christ, and Jesus Christ destroyed the wiles of the devil and his angels in his day in age.

Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil— Hebrews 2:14.


So there is no more accuser Revelation 12, and Satan had his demise which before he had power in the ability to accuse people before God because there was law, but because Law was nailed to the cross, Satan can not do anything anymore, especially after all enemies are placed beneath the feet of Christ.



Do we still wrestle around with the darkness of our mind, and to have lust, to have greed, to manipulate and lie? Yes, I do believe so but it all deals with the minds and the darkness of the world itself. Darkness hasn't went away it has always existed, just like evil had existed when God made the tree of knowledge of good and evil.