Anyone interested in genealogy family trees and DNA?

[MA2444]

It is fun finding history and family connections... I looked up Ireland, IN haha I was born in IN. So you are related to this John Stewart? Interesting and says war hero..
The Irish war hero and pioneer who founded Ireland, Indiana

Even the small towns have a history which is fun!!!

A population of 9?!!! Bwahahaha! I didn't lnow that, lol. I never heard of John Stewart before you mentioned him. I read the link and it says he came with his four Brothers. SO either that blew my story out of the water...or...lol...somebody had a girrrl friend and made her change her name!

That's good info Brother. Every little bit helps. My house is 120 yrs old and set up like a rooming house, lol. I went underneath the floor boards in the attic and searched as far as I could reach. Something could be hidden here by someone? I did fin a showbox tied closed with string and it had in it not the gold bars that I had hoped for, but some very old bearings. I think from the 1930's IIRC. Brand new in the boxes. I should run a metal detector over the walls and backyard. People used to be about burying things on their property very commonly. It'd be nice to find the Wells Fargo box and the shipment of gold coins out in the yard.
Let's bury it until the heat dies down...then they all got shot in the shootout with the Possee.

Stranger things have happened!

 

[Jay Ross]

You sound like a programmer hired to do a job lol I don't like you calling it a monkey tree when the Lord calls it a pedigree in scriptures. It is like you calling Christs genealogy a monkey tree... do you see what saying that does? Genealogy is in scriptures and God used it to divide the tribes and am sure He will use it again to divide as seen in the book of Revelations. What the new programming and change to my husband did is set the year closer most were at 17000 BCE now they are most distant at 3350 BCE and some at 700 BCE with the computer update and number changed on haplogroup. I don't think we go back that far anyway, that is doing science not biblical to me, now he has been placed within the biblical years of 6000 years to me. So that might have been things they wanted to see. Science vs biblical...so two trees one vs the other.

It seems from your post that you have demonstrated no understanding of what I have posted previously.

In your rebuttal post, you also talk of DNA that suggested a link to around 750 years before the Flood. A bit fanciful to say the least.

You objected to my statement that people attempt to establish their Monkey Tree, and the reason I said that it was a monkey tree is because there is much "monkey business" going on in families back through the descendant generations such that we find out about the black sheep of the family and have to justify their existence within the family tree.

We need to be realistic in our expectation of DNA analysis being able to find connections with our extended family members who are 50th cousins or further removed.

In the work that I was involved in with respect to the transmission of accurate spatial utility data between the various utility data companies we found that the recording of the story of how the respective utility data was related to the spatial data layer provided the most useful means of transmitting our utility's spatial position irrespective of the accuracy of the respective spatial reference to other utility provider's data base reference...

This is also true as we construct our own particular family tree as we move back in time.

Shalom.

 

[Cyd]

It seems from your post that you have demonstrated no understanding of what I have posted previously.

In your rebuttal post, you also talk of DNA that suggested a link to around 750 years before the Flood. A bit fanciful to say the least.

You objected to my statement that people attempt to establish their Monkey Tree, and the reason I said that it was a monkey tree is because there is much "monkey business" going on in families back through the descendant generations such that we find out about the black sheep of the family and have to justify their existence within the family tree.

We need to be realistic in our expectation of DNA analysis being able to find connections with our extended family members who are 50th cousins or further removed.

In the work that I was involved in with respect to the transmission of accurate spatial utility data between the various utility data companies we found that the recording of the story of how the respective utility data was related to the spatial data layer provided the most useful means of transmitting our utility's spatial position irrespective of the accuracy of the respective spatial reference to other utility provider's data base reference...

This is also true as we construct our own particular family tree as we move back in time.

Shalom.

If that is what you think fine, I just was not expecting a person even to be in this topic unless there was an interest and you have stated you are not interested, so lets leave it there.. God seemed to be interested and divided the people and numbered them when they came out of Egypt said how. The genes in Adam and Eve were within Noah. Looks to me like they are trying to break that out maybe reason I said science vs biblical they might be doing.

 

[MA2444]

I was watching a good Pastos sermon once and he went through how we see as through a glass darkly. And the whole young eart/old earth questions and he explained what is very probably the truth.

The gist of it was, God is Omnipresent, which means all present or prestent all places and at all times. and God created time for us with a disparity of one day to Him is as 1000 years is to us. So from looking forward from the Lord's perspective the earth took 6 days to create. Now God is Omnipresent so He can see forard and backward in time clearly.

But we can only see backwards in time. And we see as through a glass darkly and look backwards only. So we do not see it clearly. But we think we do. And those guys say the earth is 16 Billion years old, is that right? I think so. And the pastor actually went through all the math of it, which I didnt follow because I'm not good at math and so just listened to him. And he broke it all down mathmatically to show that, using the ratio of 1 day per 1000 years, and then multiply it and divide and all that jazz and if his math is right for us to be able to identify 16 Billion years at that ratio, it comes out to over 6000 years old, just like the Bible says.

So actually, it is possible to believe both in a young earth and an old earth at the same time and be correct.

...and that made sense to me. Thought I'd share that. Through a Glass Darkly.

 

[Jay Ross]

If that is what you think fine, I just was not expecting a person even to be in this topic unless there was an interest and you have stated you are not interested, so lets leave it there.. God seemed to be interested and divided the people and numbered them when they came out of Egypt said how. The genes in Adam and Eve were within Noah. Looks to me like they are trying to break that out maybe reason I said science vs biblical they might be doing.

You are so funny.

The main purpose of my original post was the presenting of this statement: -

As we were prepared to establish our data's dependence and relationship with other data sets, we were able to establish the freedom of our data set and its independence from the destinies of the other data sets.

In looking back at our family tree, what we are doing is establishing our family tree's dependency and relationship with other family trees and as we do this, we are able to establish the freedom of our family tree and its independence from the destinies of the other family trees.

Let us consider the impact of CF on a family's tree.

When we consider the death of young children in our past descendant generations it highlights the fact that CF might be the probable cause of their early childhood deaths and that the CF gene may be found within the descendant generations. The impact of CF raises its dominance within a marriage when both parents carry this CF gene, and their offspring may end up with CF and probossible die young.

How do I know this? Well, I have two grandchildren with CF and the eldest one was only given a life expectancy of 18 years. In recent years with new drugs that have been developed, her life expectance has doubled. Her brother with CF has milder form of CF but even so his health could deteriorate rapidly if he gets sick. They are very aware of the signs/symptoms that affect their health and with careful management they can control the impact of their CF.

Other issues like cancer etc. can also be relevant when constructing our family's trees, however as the respective family diverge, i.e., into distant connections, any heal issue within the distant family connections may not have an impact on our immediate family's lives.

However, our DNA does not determine who we become as a person, and it is the environmental influences that begin to have a far greater impact.

Our searching for our root's borders upon ancestor worship whereas our focus should be on our relationship with and dependence on God. Yes, we should have an understanding of where we have come from, but it is far more important to know what our future holds.

 

[Cyd]

Our searching for our root's borders upon ancestor worship whereas our focus should be on our relationship with and dependence on God. Yes, we should have an understanding of where we have come from, but it is far more important to know what our future holds.

Now you are relating it to worship? Word, do I need to quote you all the scriptures out of the mouth of God regarding pedigree and numbering them and dividing them by tribes whom are all of Israel? Salvation is of the Jew so Messiah Jesus said... he also came for the lost sheep of Israel. I could quote you it being scriptural but why you already know it.

I had a reason for testing, and did not even think about it until commercials started and Ashkenazi Jewish showed up on people did I even consider doing dna. That being my only reason as the family sayings passed down on my husbands paternal (scriptural pedigree) to see if it would show to prove it. It did.

I asked my brother to do the Ydna and family finder for me as it would be like daddy's and daddy always felt he was bio connected to Israel but couldn't prove that one. Our last name is even said to be Ashkenazic, which dad never knew. So I asked my brother to do it for me I paid for it. His came out 2% Ashkenazi and also showed some mid-eastern. Yet my brother doesn't believe it, so I did mine at ancestry... they didn't show Ashkenazi in me but I downloaded my data file and uploaded it to familytreedna and there in me was the 2% also Ashkenazi. My brother still doesn't believe it hahaha but it really doesn't matter except I was curious because of daddy. With their new updates they now have my brother being both Ashkenaze and Misrahi Jewish. I laughed at that as what would brother think now lol.

I have stated I don't agree with how they do the Jewish dna... God said pedigree is by the fathers house not mothers which is how the Jews do things which is wrong. I also stated I don't think with God there is any 2%.. Aaron and Moses children would both have been 100% but no that is not what they do.. they put Moses children at 50% because he didn't marry an Israelite. I don't think God see's it that way. So now I just check in to see newest updates to things as more people test data changes.

For me it was fun plus I had a reason.

 

[DavidTaylor]

Interesting thought…
Going back 1 generation, each of us had 2 ancestors (parents).
2 generations, 4 grandparents.
3 generations, 8 1g grandparents.
4 generations, 16 2g grandparents.
5 generations, 32 3g grandparents.
etc.
Going back roughly 800 years ago, each of us had around 1 million ancestors.
Had just ‘one’ of those ancestors died prematurely, you would not exist.
Surely we each are fearfully and wonderfully made, and known by He who knitted us together in our mother’s womb.

 

[Cyd]

Interesting thought…
Going back 1 generation, each of us had 2 ancestors (parents).
2 generations, 4 grandparents.
3 generations, 8 1g grandparents.
4 generations, 16 2g grandparents.
5 generations, 32 3g grandparents.
etc.
Going back roughly 800 years ago, each of us had around 1 million ancestors.
Had just ‘one’ of those ancestors died prematurely, you would not exist.
Surely we each are fearfully and wonderfully made, and known by He who knitted us together in our mother’s womb.

 

[Cyd]

Interesting thought…
Going back 1 generation, each of us had 2 ancestors (parents).
2 generations, 4 grandparents.
3 generations, 8 1g grandparents.
4 generations, 16 2g grandparents.
5 generations, 32 3g grandparents.
etc.
Going back roughly 800 years ago, each of us had around 1 million ancestors.
Had just ‘one’ of those ancestors died prematurely, you would not exist.
Surely we each are fearfully and wonderfully made, and known by He who knitted us together in our mother’s womb.

I found the 2% would be 4th great grandparent. Yes we are fearfully and wonderfully made. My brother still thinks he is gentile which is fine too.. I see in the old testament that even strangers and sojourners were able to choose a tribe to live in as long as they followed the laws. So you could choose a tribe. I told Father God if I could choose a tribe I would have chosen Levites because God was their inheritance. That was what I wanted!

 

[Cyd]

@Rita
I forgot to tell you, I laughed, as one of the notables on my brothers ydna was Joseph Smith (Mormon) lol another was Daniel Boone haha

We talked about that Smith name.

 

[Rita]

@Rita
I forgot to tell you, I laughed, as one of the notables on my brothers ydna was Joseph Smith (Mormon) lol another was Daniel Boone haha

We talked about that Smith name.

How interesting - yes I would have smiled as well Xxxxxx