Anyone going to watch the Presidential debates?

[historyb]

Democrats:

Trump against the Democrats, standing up for us all

 

[Rita]

I couldn’t watch it, reminded me of the House of Commons when we went through Brexit - why can’t people just communicate in a normal way, why does it have to turn into a shouting match.
How many more of the debates do you have before the election ?
I understand they have a debate between the Vice Presidents as well.

Rita

 

[Giuliano]

I don't think a person's religion should be a deciding factor when nominating SC Justices or when voting for the President, Senators, or federal, state and local representatives. I don't want a person to be in a leadership position like these if their religious beliefs will impair their judgment and cause them to exhibit personal bias and prejudices against people they don't personally like and they don't agree with politically. They need to be politically impartial, bipartisan, and they must honor our established laws and the Constitution. They must be capable of setting aside their feelings to do what's best for the people they represent and do what's best for America. If they can't do that, then they shouldn't be elected.

I think most judges do set aside their personal beliefs. I know Chief Justice Roberts did in a recent abortion case. The court had already tried practically the same case before, and Roberts said he was following precedent. It was wasting their time for states to keep passing laws that resembled those the court had already struck down and then trying to bring them again. What some people want is a Supreme Court that ignores all precedents to give them what they want.

I don't want one particular religious group to be promoted by the federal government, granted political influence in exchange for political support, and given special privileges/preferential treatment that other religious groups are denied. I especially don't like how Trump is coddling non-religious conservatives and conservative evangelicals in exchange for their undying loyalty to him. I don't like how these conservatives have seemingly thrown their moral convictions in the trash bin in unwavering support for Trump while simultaneously pretending that the unethical behavior of Biden and other Democrats is a serious moral issue for them. I don't want to hear "I didn't vote for a pastor when I voted for Trump," or "I didn't vote for a theologian-in-chief when I voted for Trump," or "I didn't vote for Trump because he's a saint or a choir boy" anymore either.

I can't think of the Republicans that support Trump as being real conservatives. They seem bent on undermining the very foundations of the nation if you ask me. A real conservative believes in the separation of church and state. A real conservative believes in integrity in government and responsibility in spending. A real conservative believes in the rule of law -- not in the Proud Boys and vigilante justice. These people are "fake conservatives."

Did you see that Cindy McCain endorsed Biden? I found that article at Breitbart of all places.

Cindy McCain Added to Joe Biden's Advisory Board

McCain formally endorsed Biden last week — news that did not necessarily come as a shock, given the McCains’ participation in the Democratic National Convention (DNC) last month, describing her late-husband’s friendship with the former vice president.

“My husband John lived by a code: country first. We are Republicans, yes, but Americans foremost. There’s only one candidate in this race who stands up for our values as a nation, and that is @JoeBiden,” McCain announced on Twitter last week.

“Joe and I don’t always agree on the issues, and I know he and John certainly had some passionate arguments, but he is a good and honest man. He will lead us with dignity,” she continued, adding that Biden will be a “commander in chief that the finest fighting force in the history of the world can depend on, because he knows what it is like to send a child off to fight”:​

I agree with her; and I can't see Joe Biden pardoning someone convicted of war crimes the way Trump did. It sends a horrible message to our soldiers: You can do anything, you can disobey orders, you can commit war crimes, and it's okay. Is it any wonder that sailors got involved in running a prostitution ring in Bahrain? Morale seems to be breaking down in the military. Last year, it was a discharged navy petty officer running a prostitution ring in Oklahoma, flying women in from Thailand. Suicides in the military are going up.

 

[historyb]

We have three more debates if Biden the coward doesn't cancel them. I am glad for Trump, in the past the good side always let the evil side walk all over them. Trump did not let the evil side walk all over him even though both the moderator and his opponent hated him.

 

[Rita]

We have three more debates if Biden the coward doesn't cancel them. I am glad for Trump, in the past the good side always let the evil side walk all over them. Trump did not let the evil side walk all over him even though both the moderator and his opponent hated him.

I am not sure Trump did himself any favours with the way things went last night. It hasn’t gone down to well over here. It’s actually being labelled the worst debate ever , and the moderator isn’t getting much praise either !
Rita

 

[historyb]

I am not sure Trump did himself any favours with the way things went last night. It hasn’t gone down to well over here. It’s actually being labelled the worst debate ever , and the moderator isn’t getting much praise either !
Rita

Trump was Trump, it was Biden who lied, and called Trump names. Wallace the mod was very bad you could tell he hated Trump and loved Biden

 

[Giuliano]

Trump isn't threatening to pack the court, he is filling a vacancy.

He said he wanted a full court in case the election was contested and went to the Supreme Court. In other words, he's interested in himself and would like to feel the Supreme Court was sufficiently Republican to rule in his favor.

The democrats show their partisanship by making that threat. And with their record I have no doubt it would be done if they had the white house and Senate but were being restrained by the court upholding the constitution.

I'm not sure what you're talking about here exactly.

You say "democrats" as if they all think alike and walk in lock step. I assure you that Democratic leadership does not endorse anything viewed as too radical. That's why Pelosi told AOC and a few others to chill. They were being too outrageously partisan -- and in some instances hateful.

 

[Giuliano]

I am not sure Trump did himself any favours with the way things went last night. It hasn’t gone down to well over here. It’s actually being labelled the worst debate ever , and the moderator isn’t getting much praise either !
Rita

I think Wallace probably regretted agreeing to be the moderator. I felt sorry for him. What did people expect him to do, get up and spank the candidates?

 

[Giuliano]

Trump was Trump, it was Biden who lied, and called Trump names. Wallace the mod was very bad you could tell he hated Trump and loved Biden

You are just annoyed he dared to ask Trump tough questions.

 

[lforrest]

He said he wanted a full court in case the election was contested and went to the Supreme Court. In other words, he's interested in himself and would like to feel the Supreme Court was sufficiently Republican to rule in his favor.
I'm not sure what you're talking about here exactly.

You say "democrats" as if they all think alike and walk in lock step. I assure you that Democratic leadership does not endorse anything viewed as too radical. That's why Pelosi told AOC and a few others to chill. They were being too outrageously partisan -- and in some instances hateful.

The threat that democrats are making is to add more judges, beyond the nine we have had since forever. Just like FDR threatened.

 

[Giuliano]

I couldn’t watch it, reminded me of the House of Commons when we went through Brexit - why can’t people just communicate in a normal way, why does it have to turn into a shouting match.
How many more of the debates do you have before the election ?
I understand they have a debate between the Vice Presidents as well.

Rita

There are two more debates for President -- at least there are two more planned.

The VP debate might be interesting because of the gay angle. She got Pete Buttigieg to help her prep. He's playing at being Pence. LOL @ a gay man standing in for a homophobe.

 

[Seven of Nine]

I can't think of the Republicans that support Trump as being real conservatives. They seem bent on undermining the very foundations of the nation if you ask me. A real conservative believes in the separation of church and state. A real conservative believes in integrity in government and responsibility in spending. A real conservative believes in the rule of law -- not in the Proud Boys and vigilante justice. These people are "fake conservatives."

One more thing I don't think about these Trump supporters is how they resort to juvenile behavior, such as name-calling, derogatory remarks, and spiteful slander. Sadly, many of these conservatives profess to be Christian. As Christians, we're called to love our neighbor as ourselves, love and pray for our enemies, tame our tongue, and not let unwholesome talk come out of our mouths. We're called to be Ambassadors of Christ.

I don't think these Christian Trump supporters realize that when they behave like Trump does that it tarnishes their personal witness and their reputation. In fact, it's detrimental to their profession of the Christian faith. It makes them look like sanctimonious hypocrites who are Christian in name only. It tarnishes the public image of Christians and the effectiveness of the Gospel. James 3:9-10 says, "With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse human beings, who have been made in God’s likeness. 10 Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers and sisters, this should not be." The words these Christian Trump supporters speak can be a blessing or their words can be a curse. I think they need to be reminded that they carry the name of Jesus Christ with them and they represent HIM to all the people they encounter.

 

[Grailhunter]

- but I cannot condone people forming gangs to enforce their own ideas about law and order. That is not the rule of law -- it is not law and order -- it is vigilantism and gang warfare.

Do you pay attention? It is BLM that is talking about gang justice. Defund the Police....neighborhood enforcement...trained Marxist and anarchist...Kill police! Kill Police! Loot, arson, murder...ambush and kill police....Do you pay attention?!!!

According to Chris Wallace, Biden, and people like you, if you are white, if your Christian, if have a job, if you are a patriot.....you are a white supremacist. People show up to back up the Police or protect their property...but no no...they do not have rights...only the arsonists...only the murderers have rights. Where you have your head stuck....does it all look brown?

 

[Giuliano]

The threat that democrats are making is to add more judges, beyond the nine we have had since forever. Just like FDR threatened.

Where do you get your history? The number has varied over the years.

https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/why-does-the-supreme-court-have-nine-justices

The Judiciary Act of 1789 established the first Supreme Court, with six Justices. “Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That the supreme court of the United States shall consist of a chief justice and five associate justices, any four of whom shall be a quorum, and shall hold annually at the seat of government two sessions, the one commencing the first Monday of February, and the other the first Monday of August,” the act read.

Since 1789, Congress changed the maximum number of Justices on the Court several times. In 1801, President John Adams and a lame-duck Federalist Congress passed the Judiciary Act of 1801, which reduced the Court to five Justices in an attempt to limit incoming President Thomas Jefferson’s appointments to the high bench. Jefferson and his Republicans soon repealed that act, putting the Court back to six Justices. And in 1807, Jefferson and Congress added a seventh Justice when it added a seventh federal court circuit.

In early 1837, President Andrew Jackson was able to add two additional Justices after Congress again expanded the number of federal circuit court districts. Under different circumstances, Congress created a 10th circuit in 1863 during the Civil War, and it briefly had a 10th Supreme Court Justice. However, Congress after the war passed legislation in 1866 to reduce the Court to seven Justices. That only lasted until 1869, when a new Judiciary Act sponsored by Senator Lyman Trumbull set the number back to nine Justices, with six Justices required at a sitting to form a quorum. President Ulysses S. Grant eventually signed that legislation and nominated William Strong and Joseph Bradley to the newly restored seats.​

 

[lforrest]

Where do you get your history? The number has varied over the years.

Why does the Supreme Court have nine Justices? - National Constitution Center

The Judiciary Act of 1789 established the first Supreme Court, with six Justices. “Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That the supreme court of the United States shall consist of a chief justice and five associate justices, any four of whom shall be a quorum, and shall hold annually at the seat of government two sessions, the one commencing the first Monday of February, and the other the first Monday of August,” the act read.

Since 1789, Congress changed the maximum number of Justices on the Court several times. In 1801, President John Adams and a lame-duck Federalist Congress passed the Judiciary Act of 1801, which reduced the Court to five Justices in an attempt to limit incoming President Thomas Jefferson’s appointments to the high bench. Jefferson and his Republicans soon repealed that act, putting the Court back to six Justices. And in 1807, Jefferson and Congress added a seventh Justice when it added a seventh federal court circuit.

In early 1837, President Andrew Jackson was able to add two additional Justices after Congress again expanded the number of federal circuit court districts. Under different circumstances, Congress created a 10th circuit in 1863 during the Civil War, and it briefly had a 10th Supreme Court Justice. However, Congress after the war passed legislation in 1866 to reduce the Court to seven Justices. That only lasted until 1869, when a new Judiciary Act sponsored by Senator Lyman Trumbull set the number back to nine Justices, with six Justices required at a sitting to form a quorum. President Ulysses S. Grant eventually signed that legislation and nominated William Strong and Joseph Bradley to the newly restored seats.​

My mistake, it's been that way for 150 years not forever.

 

[historyb]

The threat that democrats are making is to add more judges, beyond the nine we have had since forever. Just like FDR threatened.

and to close down the nation plunging us all into poverty. If anyone wants to know how bad dems are, dems in California just forced 28,000 to lose their jobs because they refused to let Disneyland open. From where I sit the dems are the vilest evil creatures, they make sauron in LOTR look nice.

Liberals:

Be nice to:

To liberals

 

[Seven of Nine]

There are two more debates for President -- at least there are two more planned.

The VP debate might be interesting because of the gay angle. She got Pete Buttigieg to help her prep. He's playing at being Pence. LOL @ a gay man standing in for a homophobe.

I'd like for you to know, Giuliano, that I appreciate you and your posts because of all the useful information you share. Thank you.

 

[Giuliano]

One more thing I don't think about these Trump supporters is how they resort to juvenile behavior, such as name-calling, derogatory remarks, and spiteful slander. Sadly, many of these conservatives profess to be Christian. As Christians, we're called to love our neighbor as ourselves, love and pray for our enemies, tame our tongue, and not let unwholesome talk come out of our mouths. We're called to be Ambassadors of Christ.

I hear vulgar words now on the radio and see them in newspaper articles that never would have shown up four years ago. At first, some reporters censored the words, but it looks as if they gave up.

It is also unfortunate that some Democrats looked at how Trump talked and seemed to think that maybe they could win if they were as vulgar as he was. I would have liked to see the DNC chairman removed from his office for his foul language. Then there was the newly elected Democratic Congressman who used an expletive to refer to Trump -- and in front of her own child. I'm not excusing those Democrats, but it seems to me Trump started America on a slippery slope into vulgarity, bad manners and unloving behavior in general.

 

[FollowHim]

SURPRISE!

Trump can be defeated by sound bites, well thought through points which are encapsulated in small sentences.
-- ANYONE can be defeated by distortions and misrepresentations

Reporting taxes, historical figures that will not change, just publish them.
-- Is wealth a criteria?

Building the wall paid for by the Mexicans, not delivered or deliverable.
-- They're paying with the MCUSA, and possibly other means.

Medicare repealed, not achieved.
-- Obama Care? Effectively DEAD!

North Korea, nice photo shop opportunity, nothing more.
-- Gained prisoners (one already DEAD); and no more Bluff and Bluster

Economy no better than under Obama.
-- ON MARS!

Polarised politics, splitting society and demonising the opponents.
-- Lies versus truth often has that result.

Supporting conspiracy stories, wild statements not worthy of any elected official, bleach, croquine.
-- Obama WILL end up bankrupt (lawyer fees) over his SPYING; and I suspect you're not a medical doctor?

Disaster withdrawal from Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria.
-- Soldiers and families reunited.

Disaster climate change engagement, world leadership, making friends with ones allies
-- THE SKY IS FALLING.

The official revolving door of employees, lasting months at most at the highest posts
-- If you can't do the job, YOU'RE FIRED.

Picking fights with government officials who are paid to be objective
-- DEEP STATE anyone?

Encouraging supporters not to take Covid-19 precautions seriously, threatening lives of 1000's
-- Both me and wife are (higher risk category) doing FINE. No worse than flu 4-5 years ago, except instead of entire body, just the lungs.

... even a nut job cannot do too much harm ...

-- So you're applying?


Bobby Jo[/QUOTE]

You like Trump. There is a simple problem with him, and its about lying, not a little or exaguration, its about everything.
Roger Stone followed the idea, make everything extreme, get attention, and use it, forget whether it is true or not.

It is the tactics of the corrupt and dictators, not christians or those who believe in honest, truth and love.
What is obvious is Trump is celebrity and power, pomp and being great, while actually being something else.
I am not against wealth, good use of resources and justice, but Trump only got to power because of Facebook data and targetting swing voters.
Without this this time around, what real chance does he have. I would rate it zero.

 

[Seven of Nine]

I hear vulgar words now on the radio and see them in newspaper articles that never would have shown up four years ago. At first, some reporters censored the words, but it looks as if they gave up.

It is also unfortunate that some Democrats looked at how Trump talked and seemed to think that maybe they could win if they were as vulgar as he was. I would have liked to see the DNC chairman removed from his office for his foul language. Then there was the newly elected Democratic Congressman who used an expletive to refer to Trump -- and in front of her own child. I'm not excusing those Democrats, but it seems to me Trump started America on a slippery slope into vulgarity, bad manners and unloving behavior in general.

I remember a time when conservatives refrained from using profanity and they publicly shunned adultery, lying, cheating, stealing, and slander. I remember a time when the moral character of the President actually meant something to the Republican Party and it was a very important moral factor for conservative evangelicals when deciding to support a presidential candidate or a politician. Sadly, it hasn't been this way in many years. It's like the Republican Party completely abandoned its moral conscience, its moral convictions, and its principles during Obama's presidency. As a matter of fact, this abandonment of morality has gotten worse within the Republican Party since Trump came along during the 2016 election.