Any tips?

[Jabre]

So...I'm trying to learn how to ignore the unwanted thoughts and whatnot, but they linger much longer than expected and risk me thinking slipping back into the torment of thinking I do want to think this stuff, perhaps because i'm so used to putting energy into the thought patterns in forms of fear and whatnot i just subconciously put energy into it anyway and struggle to actually let it go without actively pushing it away somehow. I end up worrying about them or just thinking about the fact that a certain thought might happen and that triggers it. It makes me feel still guilty because it makes me feel like I still was indirectly responsible for such things popping up.

I also seem to have been in fear that letting them happen without caring and letting them pass counts as thinking it on purpose for so long, with that so deeply ingrained that I end up sometimes getting those false feelings and scenarios running through my head of me thinking it purposely and liking it. I even often have to think through what I've learned about how these thought processes work to get over such things happening...it seems no matter what o try i can't escape ruminating on what "really went through my intentions", even letting it pass and the associated idea of not being able to distinguish intentional thought and not caring about intrusive thoughts has become part of the elaborate, multi-layered and complex to unfold illusion that wants to drag me down...

If anyone has tips for this it'll be greatly appreciated.

 

[Papa Smurf]

Hello @Jabre, I don't have much time to talk right now, but I wanted you to know that there is an answer to the problem that you are facing (at least there was for me when I was faced with the same kind of frustrating, painful and seemingly unending "thought-life" problems that you are now).

It is a process that will principally involve three major changes to your daily (moment by moment) walk with Him. The first change will necessitate a radical growth in the trust that you have for God, the second will involve a change in how you practice spiritual warfare, and the third involves an emptying (or perhaps better, a cleaning out) of all of the stale, stinky garbage that you have stored in your mind right now (which is done by permanently replacing all of the bad with something that is infinitely better :)).

I'll try to return sometime later today to talk more about all of this and what is involved (to see if it's something that you might like to try) but for now I'll just give you a few Scripture verses/passages to consider (in no particular order).

James 4​

7 Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. ​

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2 Corinthians 10​

5 We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we ~take captive every thought~ to make it obedient to Christ.​

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John 17​

17 Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.​

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Romans 12​

2 Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may dprove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect. ​

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2 Timothy 3​

16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; ​

17 so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work. ​

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Psalm 1​

1 How blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked, ​

Nor stand in the cpath of sinners, ​

Nor sit in the seat of scoffers! ​

2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD, ​

And in His law he meditates day and night. ​

3 He will be like a tree firmly planted by streams of water, ​

Which yields its fruit in its season ​

And its leaf does not wither; ​

And in whatever he does, he prospers. ​

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Psalm 119​

9 How can a young man keep his way pure? By keeping it according to Thy word.​

11 Thy word I have treasured (hidden/stored up) in my heart, that I may not sin against Thee.​

There is much more, of course, but this will have to do for now.

Praying for you!

God bless you!! (1 Thessalonians 5:23-24)

--Papa Smurf

Proverbs 3:5-6/Lamentations 3:22-24/Philippians 1:6
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[Raccoon1010]

So...I'm trying to learn how to ignore the unwanted thoughts and whatnot, but they linger much longer than expected and risk me thinking slipping back into the torment of thinking I do want to think this stuff, perhaps because i'm so used to putting energy into the thought patterns in forms of fear and whatnot i just subconciously put energy into it anyway and struggle to actually let it go without actively pushing it away somehow. I end up worrying about them or just thinking about the fact that a certain thought might happen and that triggers it. It makes me feel still guilty because it makes me feel like I still was indirectly responsible for such things popping up.

I also seem to have been in fear that letting them happen without caring and letting them pass counts as thinking it on purpose for so long, with that so deeply ingrained that I end up sometimes getting those false feelings and scenarios running through my head of me thinking it purposely and liking it. I even often have to think through what I've learned about how these thought processes work to get over such things happening...it seems no matter what o try i can't escape ruminating on what "really went through my intentions", even letting it pass and the associated idea of not being able to distinguish intentional thought and not caring about intrusive thoughts has become part of the elaborate, multi-layered and complex to unfold illusion that wants to drag me down...

If anyone has tips for this it'll be greatly appreciated.

Hi @Jabre! I always enjoy hearing from you and pray and hope that the Lord blesses you much. As always my advice is to seek the Lord thru prayer and also a question: have you been baptized, confirmed with the Holy Ghost and given the bread and wine of the new testament? It is important that you have been performed those things from a reverent and responsible Christian church.

Don't be hard on yourself. I see that you have learned to separate the unwanted thoughts from your own which is important. If you are blocking those thoughts yourself that is good. Is medication taking a part in that process. You should consult with your doctor and make sure it is not caused by medication you are taking from those doctors. I know that can happen. It is important to take medication for some disorders that are mental. If you can you should discern if those thoughts are spiritually inflicted or some form of other problem. If it is spiritually inflicted than it is clearly not God. God can deal with the spiritual matters that are not welcome.

Cheers!

 

[Jabre]

Hi @Jabre! I always enjoy hearing from you and pray and hope that the Lord blesses you much. As always my advice is to seek the Lord thru prayer and also a question: have you been baptized, confirmed with the Holy Ghost and given the bread and wine of the new testament? It is important that you have been performed those things from a reverent and responsible Christian church.

Don't be hard on yourself. I see that you have learned to separate the unwanted thoughts from your own which is important. If you are blocking those thoughts yourself that is good. Is medication taking a part in that process. You should consult with your doctor and make sure it is not caused by medication you are taking from those doctors. I know that can happen. It is important to take medication for some disorders that are mental. If you can you should discern if those thoughts are spiritually inflicted or some form of other problem. If it is spiritually inflicted than it is clearly not God. God can deal with the spiritual matters that are not welcome.

Cheers!

"You know what?

I get it now...the whole purpose of this whole system is to get me to run out of mental stamina so I can be tricked into thinking I did think it, so that i end up wallowing in rumination over "what went wrong", so the cycle as a whole can be reinforced and it can start again.
But the fact I without fail have been morally distressed and ashamed of when this happens proves it to be a lie...this all relies on me ignoring that amd doubting because I let them take me to exhaustion."

...is what I would say, but is mental exaustion truly even an excuse for giving in to such things, even if I hate the entire experience in my spirit and am in spiritual pain over it immediately afterwards?

 

[Raccoon1010]

"You know what?

I get it now...the whole purpose of this whole system is to get me to run out of mental stamina so I can be tricked into thinking I did think it, so that i end up wallowing in rumination over "what went wrong", so the cycle as a whole can be reinforced and it can start again.
But the fact I without fail have been morally distressed and ashamed of when this happens proves it to be a lie...this all relies on me ignoring that amd doubting because I let them take me to exhaustion."

...is what I would say, but is mental exaustion truly even an excuse for giving in to such things, even if I hate the entire experience in my spirit and am in spiritual pain over it immediately afterwards?

Have you expressed all of those things to your doctor? I don't know what the laws are in your country, so you might want to investigate the laws and reporting requirements your doctor and counselor have if you express certain thoughts and or feelings. You can certainly express them to God safely. In my country a doctor or counsellor can actually "lock a person up" for expressing what the serpent or devil tempts people with, which is not Christian conduct. At least that was my concern over here in the USA.

I will pray to the Lord God that you can receive peace from God and rest that you need from those struggles. Take care my friend and always know God loves you.

 

[Lambano]

so please pray both that I'll overcome that and that I'll learn to accept these thoughts as just the mental static they are.

Accepting (and ignoring) the unwanted thoughts as just "mental static" sounds like as good a strategy as any.

If you don't give them a mental platform, they may just go away on their own.

 

[Raccoon1010]

Accepting (and ignoring) the unwanted thoughts as just "mental static" sounds like as good a strategy as any.

If you don't give them a mental platform, they may just go away on their own.

Submersion into God's good works is always a good way to ward off dark things, they don't co-exist. God does seal us thru the Holy Spirit from the dark things of this world and also the spirit realm. I do also know it is the Father, Son and Holy Ghost that all perform that as well.

 

[Debp]

As I mentioned in another topic of yours....

Read the Word of God....it will help your mind as you read it more and more. The Word of God is living.

When some thoughts start to assail your mind, think upon some Scripture verse or verses that fit the situation that is bothering you.

 

[Windmill Charge]

So...I'm trying to learn how to ignore the unwanted thoughts

Do first of all get medical advice about your intrusive thoughts.
There can be various reasons for them and medication can help.
2nd take a look, at this Web site:- 25 Tips for Succeeding in Your OCD Treatment
Particularly "point 4.. Always try hard to agree with all obsessive thoughts
Never analyze, question, or argue with them. The questions they raise are not real questions, and there are no real answers to them. Try not to get too detailed when agreeing — simply say the thoughts are true and real."

These are a
Suggestion by a qualified psychiatrist and are worth trying.

 

[Hepzibah]

Blessed is the man
Who walks not in the counsel of the ungodly,
Nor stands in the path of sinners,
Nor sits in the seat of the scornful;
But his delight is in the law of the LORD,
And in His law he meditates day and night (Psalm 1:1–2, NKJV)

Beware of the cult of psychiatry. Try trauma specialists, many to be found free on youtube. Some are Christians. They deal with brain structural damage.

 

[Jay Ross]

Do not just write "TIP JAR" on the glass jar which you expect people to put their monetary tips into as an indication of their appreciation of the service that you have provided, as they may take the instruction literally and just tip the jar over. tip.

 

[Jabre]

Do not just write "TIP JAR" on the glass jar which you expect people to put their monetary tips into as an indication of their appreciation of the service that you have provided, as they may take the instruction literally and just tip the jar over. tip.

I don't get what you're trying to say. How is that relevant to the post?

 

[Debp]

Always try hard to agree with all obsessive thoughts
Never analyze, question, or argue with them. The questions they raise are not real questions, and there are no real answers to them. Try not to get too detailed when agreeing — simply say the thoughts are true and real."

I would not agree with any thoughts that go against God and His Word. Those sort of thoughts should be rebuked in Jesus' name.

 

[Jay Ross]

I don't get what you're trying to say. How is that relevant to the post?

If the Tips jar is tipped over, then any money in the Tips jar will spill out onto the surface that the jar has been placed on and people may help themselves to that money.

The title of this thread is "Any Tips," and I gave a tip on what not to do to the tip jar that is place on the counter. My post was on topic and is relevant.

A better instruction would be to say, "Place any monetary tips, you may want to give, in this glass jar. Thank you."

 

[Jabre]

Submersion into God's good works is always a good way to ward off dark things, they don't co-exist. God does seal us thru the Holy Spirit from the dark things of this world and also the spirit realm. I do also know it is the Father, Son and Holy Ghost that all perform that as well.

I'm still trying to not give any attention but... no matter what I end up getting offended or disgusted by such thoughts, since at this point they often are of Jesus or another member of the Godhead, and I feel guilty to just let that pass, no matter how much i convince myself it's just a brain misfire and I can't control these thoughts. I also have started feeling tormented by the fact that these might have continued for so long and even gotten to the point of how bad they are because I couldn't get over the content of them and worris that I might just be a horrible creep...this of course also only fuels it. Can you pray for me?

 

[Windmill Charge]

I would not agree with any thoughts that go against God and His Word. Those sort of thoughts should be rebuked in Jesus' name.

Please reread the definition of intrusive thoughts again.
This is not demonic possession or spiritual warfare, but an ill mind that needs treating and technics for dealing with out of control thoughts.