Am I the only one on the planet who understands Romans 7?

[Peterlag]

Paul doesn't mention Israel in Romans 7. He is talking to "those who know the Law," which is true whether Paul is talking to Jews, Gentiles, or both. Anyone can know the Law, whether Jew or Gentile; if they have access to and read the scriptures. I am a Gentile, and I know about the Law concerning marriage. Even if I didn't know about it, Paul specifies the particular law he has in mind, and he explains it to his readers.

Just because Paul refers to the Law doesn't mean his point is about the Law. In this particular case it isn't. Paul's point concerns justification, i.e. God's favor. According to Paul's objectors, obedience to the Law is the only means to gain justification. Paul argues that Justification is by faith in Jesus Christ and is impossible to attain through obedience to the Law.

His point is not limited to the Jewish people or Israel. His point is universal to all those who seek to gain God's favor through ritual praxis. This includes Christians who think that baptism, prayer, tithing, church attendance, meditation, teaching, giving money to the poor, or any other religious practice will gain God's favor.

This goes for the sacraments also. God is not impressed by those who keep the sacraments. Practicing or keeping the sacraments does not gain God's favor or bring grace or blessing from God.

This goes for the spiritual disciplines also. God is not impressed with the practice of spiritual disciplines. Practicing or keeping the spiritual disciplines does not gain God's favor or bring grace or blessing from God.

This goes for teaching the Bible also. God is not impressed with those who teach the Bible. Teaching the Bible does not gain God's favor or blessing or any other good thing from God.

We are sinners at the core of our being. And those who admit this are being led by the Holy Spirit. Those who refuse to admit this are not being led by the Holy Spirit.

He's referring to Israel and not Christians when he says I'm speaking to those who know the Law. He himself was one of them and so he's saying I speak to my own people. Those like me and this is what I felt then when I was one of you. He addresses Israel again in Romans 10:1 when he writes...

my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

 

[Ritajanice]

I get real close to the Christ. I use his authority and his faith. At the same time I get real close to God because it's His spirit.

So, you are Spirit filled 24/7 are you?
You walk in Gods power 24/7?

You never walk in that old mindset , that only by the power of Gods Spirit can be overcome?

I’m not saying it sins, I’m just saying that the old mindset needs to be overcome?...it can only be overcome by the Spirit of God, His supernatural power that indwells us?

A Born Again doesn’t continue to sin because they have been Born Again of imperishable seed...the seed of God cannot indwell the heart of a sinner...

Therefore I never confess my sins, because they are on Jesus and by his power I’m kept under grace....my old mindset is being renewed daily...as Gods Spirit continues to work in and through me on a daily basis, God never stops working in us, he’s preparing us to be presented before him one day, as in making us into the image of his beloved Son....my testimony and belief 100%

 

[rebuilder 454]

He's referring to Israel and not Christians when he says I'm speaking to those who know the Law. He himself was one of them and so he's saying I speak to my own people. Those like me and this is what I felt then when I was one of you. He addresses Israel again in Romans 10:1 when he writes...

my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

You say israel only is Paul's audience.
The letter by Paul, that you are quoting from is to the Saints in Rome. So you don't know really who it's addressed to. You just have this need for the letter to be only to the jew.
Not only that, but your claim is, he is writing to Jews under the law. IOW unsaved Jews.
The first church was Jewish. So messianic jewish saints would understand all about the law.
Paul can not be saying that while he was under the law he could no obey it.
He did obey it prior to conversion.
He declared his testimony pre conversion as such.
" ....according to the law, perfect"
So, as a pharisee he walked a holy life.
He is in fact, demonstrating the 2 natures.
Have you ever read the first sentence in the Book of Romans chapter 8? if you read that carefully he says ,"who walk not after the flesh but after the spirit". Are you aware that that in itself is the two natures?

 

[rebuilder 454]

So, you are Spirit filled 24/7 are you?
You walk in Gods power 24/7?

You never walk in that old mindset , that only by the power of Gods Spirit can be overcome?

I’m not saying it sins, I’m just saying that the old mindset needs to be overcome?...it can only be overcome by the Spirit of God, His supernatural power that indwells us?

A Born Again doesn’t continue to sin because they have been Born Again of imperishable seed...the seed of God cannot indwell the heart of a sinner...

Therefore I never confess my sins, because they are on Jesus and by his power I’m kept under grace....my old mindset is being renewed daily...as Gods Spirit continues to work in and through me on a daily basis, God never stops working in us, he’s preparing us to be presented before him one day, as in making us into the image of his beloved Son....my testimony and belief 100%

I agree with some of this. I do not agree with we never repent we never confess sin. I believe there's a effervescent action that we walk in as far as being cleansed. But when I sin I say wash me or Jesus cleanse me with your blood Make Me New". We always want to judge ourselves in this life. We come to him in repentance and humility when we mess up.

Now, something else. You are correct that nobody is 100% walking in the spirit 100% of the time.
Romans 8:1 refers to that

Also John in rev says " I was in the Spirit on the Lords day"
Meaning sometimes he was not.

 

[Ritajanice]

But when I sin I say wash me or Jesus cleanse me with your blood Make Me New". We always want to judge ourselves in this life. We come to him in repentance and humility when we mess up

He has already cleansed you with his blood, when God made you Born Of The Spirit.

I don’t judge myself when I mess up, neither does God as I’m under grace plus I’m Born Again of imperishable seed....my old mindset messed up yesterday, why would I repent of that, when I’ve already repented and had my sins forgiven....I’m Born Again therefore kept by Gods power, only his power can stop me from messing up...therefore I rest in him knowing this in my heart/ spirit..

Only the Holy Spirit can overcome my old mindset by his power within me...and he’s doing exactly that, he started a work in me and HE will bring it to completion....

 

[rebuilder 454]

He has already cleansed you with his blood, when God made you Born Of The Spirit.

I don’t judge myself when I mess up, neither does God as I’m under grace plus I’m Born Again of imperishable seed....my old mindset messed up yesterday, why would I repent of that, when I’ve already repented and had my sins forgiven....I’m Born Again therefore kept by Gods power, only his power can stop me from messing up...therefore I rest in him knowing this in my heart/ spirit..

Only the Holy Spirit can overcome my old mindset by his power within me...and he’s doing exactly that, he started a work in me and HE will bring it to completion....

Woah, that is way off.
The 7 letters to the 7 churches refutes your position.
They sinned.
The remedy was never;
" hey, gotcha covered, no big deal"
"Don't do a thing, it is all under the blood"
" you guys are ok, it is a grace thingy, carry on".
"Don't repent"

It was Just the opposite.

 

[Ritajanice]

Woah, that is way off.
The 7 letters to the 7 churches refutes your position.
They sinned.
The remedy was never;
" hey, gotcha covered, no big deal"
"Don't do a thing, it is all under the blood"
" you guys are ok, it is a grace thingy, carry on".
"Don't repent"

It was Just the opposite.

Gods word says.

A Born Again doesn’t continue to sin because they have been Born Again of imperishable seed.

I’m afraid the Holy Spirit cannot indwell a sinner...and Gods word not my word is spot on.

If one doesn’t understand what Born Again of imperishable seed means, then they won’t be able to understand that a Born Again doesn’t continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them..where he abideth and liveth forever.

You must be Born Of The Spirit....Spirit gives birth to spirit...that is a supernatural act of God.

Do you believe we were predestined to become Born Again?

The same could be said of those who continually repent, do you not know you have been Born Again of imperishable seed, predestined to become Born Again all according to God’s purpose and plan?

Those who have received Christ, who carry the Spirit that causes us to move, causes us to move where? To move closer to the Father. The Spirit of God that brings us back to God, the Spirit of God that causes us to love, to desire, to obey, and to be looking and seeking for what His will is in our life because it's growing on the inside.

You do not continue to repent if you have been Born Of The Spirit...we are kept by Gods power and are under grace therefore.

Romans 8​

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King James Version​

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8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Gods word says.

A Born Again doesn’t continue to sin because they have been Born Again of imperishable seed.

I’m afraid the Holy Spirit cannot indwell a sinner...and Gods word not my word is spot on.

If one doesn’t understand what Born Again of imperishable seed means, then they won’t be able to understand that a Born Again doesn’t continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them..where he abideth and liveth forever.

You must be Born Of The Spirit....Spirit gives birth to spirit...that is a supernatural act of God.

Do you believe we were predestined to become Born Again?



You do not continue to repent if you have been Born Of The Spirit...we are kept by Gods power and are under grace therefore.

Romans 8​

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King James Version​

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8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

I guess just cut rev out of your bible.
It totally refutes your position.
One of the sins was they lost their first love. Do you cover that one in your list of sins, since it is a sin of not being intimate?

Rev 2
3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.
4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate.
16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works

Rev3
14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see





Or these verses;
5 Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy?
6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.
9 Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness.
10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

Greasy grace is a doctrine that teaches christians to never repent and an attitude of God winks at sin once you are born again.
And BTW all born again believers are " born of the spirit" that is initial salvation.

 

[Ritajanice]

I guess just cut rev out of your bible.
It totally refutes your position.
One of the sins was they lost their first love. Do you cover that one in your list of sins, since it is a sin of not being intimate?

Rev 2
3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.
4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate.
16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works

Rev3
14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see





Or these verses;
5 Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy?
6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.
9 Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness.
10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

Greasy grace is a doctrine that teaches christians to never repent and an attitude of God winks at sin once you are born again.
And BTW all born again believers are " born of the spirit" that is initial salvation.

None of what you quoted here is for a Born Again.

And what does Born Again of imperishable seed means to you?

And I also see, no answer to my question, were you predestined to be Born Again?

I wait for your answer as I think that is where the problem may lay in our understanding of each other.

As Gods word says, I go by his “ Living “ word..do you understand what his Living word means?

A Born Again cannot go on sinning because they have been Born Again of imperishable seed, which means what exactly and what was Born Again?

 

[rebuilder 454]

None of what you quoted here is for a Born Again.

And what does Born Again of imperishable seed means to you?

And I also see, no answer to my question, were you predestined to be Born Again?

I wait for your answer as I think that is where the problem may lay in our understanding of each other.

As Gods word says, I go by his “ Living “ word..do you understand what his Living word means?

A Born Again cannot go on sinning because they have been Born Again of imperishable seed, which means what exactly and what was Born Again?

Really?
Jesus could learn something here since he doesn't know when he was riding to the churches that nobody in those churches were born again

 

[Ritajanice]

Really?
Jesus could learn something here since he doesn't know when he was riding to the churches that nobody in those churches were born again

A Born Again was predestined and chosen by God.

That’s where we aren’t understanding each other.

We’re talking about Born Again in the here and now not 2,000 yrs ago.

We must be Born Again of imperishable seed....that is the “ Living “ word of God, that still speaks today...

His word is Alive and Active today....and his word never comes back void, it always accomplishes what is pleasing to Him.

So no, none of that scripture is relevant to his child...they were chosen by him for HIS purpose and his plan.

A Born Again Glorifies the Father and Son....they don’t glorify their own knowledge of scripture or anything else.....they live God morning, noon and night.

We’re under Grace....we’ve been set free from the law, when we were Born Of The Spirit.

Born Again of imperishable seed that liveth and abideth forever.....maybe if you could answer what that means, we may then be able to move the discussion forwards.

I know what imperishable seed means..therefore believe Gods word, A Born Again does not continue to sin because they have been Born Again of imperishable/ incorruptible seed.

This being said to lead us to the necessity of being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible (i.e. that seed that is not subject to decay, deterioration and death — a seed that lives forever). This is the same seed by which Jesus was conceived.

Holy Spirit is the seed....the Living seed that abideth and liveth forever in the heart/ spirit of Gods child...

Gods word is Alive and Active ,it ain’t dead!.

 

[RedFan]

We must be Born Again of imperishable seed

1 Peter 1:23 doesn't tell us, but I welcome any insight here: CAN ONE BE BORN AGAIN OF PERISHABLE SEED, OR IS THAT JUST AN OXYMORON?

 

[Ritajanice]

1 Peter 1:23 doesn't tell us, but I welcome any insight here: CAN ONE BE BORN AGAIN OF PERISHABLE SEED, OR IS THAT JUST AN OXYMORON?

Check out my posts ..I’ve explained what it means to be Born Again of imperishable/ incorruptible seed..many ,many times..that’s my opinion and belief.

This being said to lead us to the necessity of being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible (i.e. that seed that is not subject to decay, deterioration and death — a seed that lives forever). This is the same seed by which Jesus was conceived.

The Enduring Word
(Isaiah 40:6–8)

22Since you have purified your souls by obedience to the truth so that you have a genuine love for your brothers, love one another deeply, from a pure heart.e 23For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. 24For,

“All flesh is like grass,

and all its glory like the flowers of the field;

the grass withers and the flowers fall,

25but the word of the Lord stands forever.”f

And this is the word that was proclaimed to you.






What needs to be Born Again in us?

It’s a supernatural act that only the “ Living “:word of God can do....unfortunately many don’t understand that God is a Living Spirit...they try and contain him to their own human understanding....which if they aren’t Born Of The Spirit ,is understandable ,as the carnal mind cannot understand things of the Spirit, it is foolishness to them..

 

[RedFan]

Check out my posts ..I’ve explained what it means to be Born Again of imperishable/ incorruptible seed..many ,many times..that’s my opinion and belief.

This being said to lead us to the necessity of being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible (i.e. that seed that is not subject to decay, deterioration and death — a seed that lives forever). This is the same seed by which Jesus was conceived.

The Enduring Word
(Isaiah 40:6–8)

22Since you have purified your souls by obedience to the truth so that you have a genuine love for your brothers, love one another deeply, from a pure heart.e 23For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. 24For,

“All flesh is like grass,

and all its glory like the flowers of the field;

the grass withers and the flowers fall,

25but the word of the Lord stands forever.”f

And this is the word that was proclaimed to you.






What needs to be Born Again in us?

It’s a supernatural act that only the “ Living “:word of God can do....unfortunately many don’t understand that God is a Living Spirit...they try and contain him to their own human understanding....which if they aren’t Born Of The Spirit ,is understandable ,as the carnal mind cannot understand things of the Spirit, it is foolishness to them..

I understand what it means to be Born Again of imperishable seed. That wasn't my question. My question was, Is there such a thing as being Born Again of perishable seed? If you can direct me to the answer in one of your earlier posts I would appreciate it.

 

[CadyandZoe]

He's referring to Israel and not Christians when he says I'm speaking to those who know the Law.

Not necessarily. He is speaking to those who know the Law. That can be anyone who knows the Law.

Nonetheless, Paul is speaking autobiographically about his own experience. He is a Christian claiming that he has sin at the core of his being.

 

[Ritajanice]

I understand what it means to be Born Again of imperishable seed. That wasn't my question. My question was, Is there such a thing as being Born Again of perishable seed? If you can direct me to the answer in one of your earlier posts I would appreciate it.

There must be..because God’s word say not of perishable seed but of imperishable seed.

Born Again not of perishable but imperishable seed.

I guess the perishable seed is mans and obviously imperishable is the Living word of God His seed.the Holy Spirit.

1 Peter 1:23 ►

Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. New Living Translation For you have been born again, but not to a life that will quickly end. Your new life will last forever because it comes from the eternal, living word of God. English Standard Version since you have been born again, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God; Berean Standard Bible For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Born again is any blood bought christian saint.

 

[Peterlag]

Not necessarily. He is speaking to those who know the Law. That can be anyone who knows the Law.

Nonetheless, Paul is speaking autobiographically about his own experience. He is a Christian claiming that he has sin at the core of his being.

You might mean anyone when you talk to those who know the Law. Paul means Jews when he says he speaks to those who know the Law. The reason you believe Paul is a sinner is because you do not believe he's talking just to Jews. I believe he's not a sinner and therefore cannot be talking to Christians, but rather Jews.

 

[Peterlag]

You say israel only is Paul's audience.
The letter by Paul, that you are quoting from is to the Saints in Rome. So you don't know really who it's addressed to. You just have this need for the letter to be only to the jew.
Not only that, but your claim is, he is writing to Jews under the law. IOW unsaved Jews.
The first church was Jewish. So messianic jewish saints would understand all about the law.
Paul can not be saying that while he was under the law he could no obey it.
He did obey it prior to conversion.
He declared his testimony pre conversion as such.
" ....according to the law, perfect"
So, as a pharisee he walked a holy life.
He is in fact, demonstrating the 2 natures.
Have you ever read the first sentence in the Book of Romans chapter 8? if you read that carefully he says ,"who walk not after the flesh but after the spirit". Are you aware that that in itself is the two natures?

I'm not talking about the book of Romans. I'm talking about Romans 7.

 

[Peterlag]

So, you are Spirit filled 24/7 are you?
You walk in Gods power 24/7?

You never walk in that old mindset , that only by the power of Gods Spirit can be overcome?

I’m not saying it sins, I’m just saying that the old mindset needs to be overcome?...it can only be overcome by the Spirit of God, His supernatural power that indwells us?

A Born Again doesn’t continue to sin because they have been Born Again of imperishable seed...the seed of God cannot indwell the heart of a sinner...

Therefore I never confess my sins, because they are on Jesus and by his power I’m kept under grace....my old mindset is being renewed daily...as Gods Spirit continues to work in and through me on a daily basis, God never stops working in us, he’s preparing us to be presented before him one day, as in making us into the image of his beloved Son....my testimony and belief 100%

I write it this way...

Now remember our minds are similar to computers in the sense they can be programmed, and once programmed, they will continue to function as programmed until we reprogram them. This is what I believe the twelfth chapter of Romans is talking about when it states we should renew our minds. Our old sin nature programmed our minds how to walk by the flesh when we were born in sin. To renew our mind deals with breaking or changing a habit and to do this we must tap into the subconscious portion of our mind because habits are controlled by the subconscious mind. It's necessary to harness the full powers of our mind to successfully free ourselves from the habit of our "old man." Why? Because it's indeed true that people have become what they are because of their dominating thoughts and desires.

Let's compare our thinking to a computer which is extremely fast and powerful only when it has a set of instructions known as a program. The human subconscious mind is a lot like a computer program because it's within the human subconscious mind that more than ninety percent of our mental life is programmed. And most of this programming are habits that have been on the job from the time we were born up to the present where it has accepted and stored a wealth of information that we operate on very much like the operating system of any computer program.

What this so-called "programming" consists of is a vast storehouse of everything that's ever happened in our life. Everything that we have ever felt from failures to successes, which does involve our emotions, habits, relationships, health, and even our financial condition. We are what we think, and that does not only refer to what we think, but it also applies to what we do not think. Often, we are unaware that our subconscious mind exerts far more control over our life than we realize. It literally directs our reality because the subconscious mind contains no reasoning power of its own. It's not at all like the conscious mind that tends to be logical and objective. The subconscious mind accepts ideas implanted in it without question and then influences our life accordingly.

Present it with the "old man" concepts and it operates as a failure mechanism. Present it with our "new nature" that we have in Christ and it will work just as hard as a success mechanism. We can think of our subconscious mind as a machine or a computer program that we can control. Changing our life becomes a matter of changing our internal "programming" or the belief system in our inner mind. It is written that "as a man thinks in his heart, so is he." And this is how one can change an image to fit their goals, aspirations, and desires because any vivid image that we hold in our mind will eventually become a reality in our life. We are not born with whatever subconscious mind we have, but rather it's acquired in several ways, and all of them relate to what we have used to build our mental structure. It's our blueprint that is responsible for making our life what it is today.

This mental blueprint is our subconscious or inner mind because all our experiences depend on the nature of the mental building blocks we have used. What we say and think on a conscious level impacts the subconscious mind and over time becomes a part of our internal mindset. To break or change a habit we must tap into the subconscious portion of our mind because habits are controlled by the subconscious mind. And therefore, it's necessary to harness the full powers of our mind to successfully free ourselves from the demands of our "old man" nature. Why? Because it's indeed true that people have become what they are because of their dominating thoughts and desires.