A bit about gender and sex.

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MA2444

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So you think that was simply because he disagreed with them? He drove people out of the temple with a whip? I’m guessing that means you like the cowboy image of popping people with a whip huh?

It's a very similar situation! They got into the Temple and set up shop, and you aint supposed to do that!

We have them on our Christian board saying, accept us in christian Love...~~~ So it's so similar that I guess it went whoosh over your head?
 

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Whoa this one is only $56 bucks and is 8 ft long! They have another one that is 16 ft long but I never whipped any at all before so I'm guessing I should stick with something more manageable and shorter than that. They even have cheaper one but they are prolly too short for Tranny's, lol. I want to keep them wayy over there!
 

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You mean a full fledged bull whip like in the westerns? Do you think I should get one? I never thought of that before, but it's worth considering I guess. I could keep them at a distance with it, lol!

Man you gotta admit some of those bull whip scenes in westerns do look cool! Good idea brother! Maybe I'll just price them and see how much they are. Geez they might be 4 or 500 bucks, that would price me out.
I’m sure it will work out for you. Probably even find the white sheets m, crosses and gasoline all at one stop.
 

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I can also tell that yall did not the read the OP. Yall skimmed at best and it shows. But that’s typical of people like you. With that said. I’ll respond to only some of the posts this weekend. Then at the end I’ll edit much of it into the op.

Using woke language equals being woke.

God made them male and female... period, end of discussion.

At least is is for those that don't think God is a liar. agree.gif
 
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Using woke language equals being woke.

God made them male and female... period, end of discussion.

At least is is for those that don't think God is a liar. View attachment 52755
What about the other genders that the Bible mentions? Or are you only familiar with specific English translations? Ever bothered to see what biblical scholars and linguists have wrote on this subject?

Also remember this was written to ancient Jews. They had an entire worldview that you may not even be aware of and therefore are missing out on critical pieces of data.
 

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you just can’t understand it can you. Someone can tell you a thousand times…. When you say the Bible what you mean is your interpretation of the Bible. So back to ignoring you for a few weeks.
 
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You mean your interpretation of what you think it says
The bible is very clear, even for me and it is clear to you.
Genesis teaches that God made man and women for marriage to each other.
No where in scripture is any other sexual arrangement spoken of with approval and as you know way sexuality is condemned.

The words used are not vague or capable of being misunderstood, so as you have confirmed to support your views you have to disregard scripture and invent your morality that you want to force others to use.

You want tolerance, but are intolerant of other views.
 
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The bible is very clear, even for me and it is clear to you.
Genesis teaches that God made man and women for marriage to each other.
No where in scripture is any other sexual arrangement spoken of with approval and as you know way sexuality is condemned.

The words used are not vague or capable of being misunderstood, so as you have confirmed to support your views you have to disregard scripture and invent your morality that you want to force others to use.

You want tolerance, but are intolerant of other views.
How am I forcing others to have my view?
Can you explain to me what does tolerance of other views look like to you? What’s the difference between being tolerant of someone’s views versus not being tolerant of someone’s views that you disagree with?

You are right I do think the Bible is very clear on this issue. I just think that people who don’t practice contextual analysis misses its point. For example, your own interpretation that genesis teaches marriage is between a man and woman. I disagree. I don’t think Genesis teaches that at all.

That’s like saying Genesis teaches birds are of the air, therefore penguins are an abomination because Genesis never teaches birds of the water. Or that Genesis teaches that turtles don’t exist because it never mentions animals or land and water. Or that frogs must be fishes.

If you read genesis literally, that means you think we live in a flat earth with a dome over the top of us that holds back space water.

One of the threads I created actually digs into these issues………. It mentions the different genders brought up in the Bible and science about these issues….. no one seems to answer the statements in the OP…..

What are your thoughts on the different genders I mention in the OP? On the chromosomal issues I mentioned? On the genitalia issues I mentioned?
 

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How am I forcing others to have my view?
Can you explain to me what does tolerance of other views look like to you? What’s the difference between being tolerant of someone’s views versus not being tolerant of someone’s views that you disagree with?

Do you forget so soon? Just yesterday you compared me to KKK members looking for someone to set on fire with gasoline because I wouldnt come into agreement with your evil spirits of sexual immorality and exercise tolerance with them. Remember?!

This whole bit about it is a valid issue is your junk liberal science which is poppycock that you asked about in the other thread. It right here!

You are right I do think the Bible is very clear on this issue. I just think that people who don’t practice contextual analysis misses its point. For example, your own interpretation that genesis teaches marriage is between a man and woman. I disagree. I don’t think Genesis teaches that at all.

Oh yeah? Well I dont accept your interpretation and think you should go pray and read a lot more than you did before. WHy would you come here seeking to derail young christians faith in the Lord?

One of the threads I created actually digs into these issues………. It mentions the different genders brought up in the Bible and science about these issues….. no one seems to answer the statements in the OP…..

What are your thoughts on the different genders I mention in the OP? On the chromosomal issues I mentioned? On the genitalia issues I mentioned?

With tripe like this! Awww, are you meeting lots of resistance to your babblings? We're wise to you and your kind buddy and you'll get no agreement here.

Different genders in Genesis, lol! So if you was Adam & Steve instead of what you call yourself, which one would you be? Adam or Steve?
 

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What are your thoughts on the different genders I mention in the OP? On the chromosomal issues I mentioned? On the genitalia issues I mentioned?

My thoughts first is that you speak incredible lies. But then I thought, maybe not. Perhaps you have just been deceived in some (big) way?
 

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You're right, Brother! That's exactly what they do.

And that was exactly what Jesus did too!

It looks like their support the gays movement is not doing so well today, lol.
What does that even mean…. What’s not going well today? Flesh that out. What are you thinking exactly? How did you work your brain around to that thought?

That means that what you have been trying to explain all about gender flexibility seems to be according to what I know of their agenda, of the camp that you work for in trying to raise awareness and to be accepting of these strange people who speak not the gospel of Christ, but a different gospel. You putting forth effort and words to help them become accepted into all aspects of society (Especially the Christians?!!!) means you have come into agreement with the evil spirits which are behind those people and the entire gay agenda. And because you are in agreement with them you con not have two masters so are in rebellion to God. And in trying to keep clean hands by saying (I'm not gey myself), you dont realize that you got splashed with all sorts of mud from them and look to be in a terrible shape. You need to go home and wash and change your clothes Brother!

What didn't go well yesterday was the recruitment agenda for the sexual deviates. You ran into some super Jesus freaks that know the word of God a lot better than you, spiritually speaking. You need prayer.

I don't need to flesh it out. You need to spiritualize it out with the Lord, repent of your agenda and ask forgiveness while there is still time! Return to the Lord.
Let me ask you something, in my mind they have to be paying you to go around and say these things, otherwise you would be totally stupid. So do you get paid from anyone for the diatribes of lies that you speak here against the Lord?
Surely you are that stupid to not even showing an earthly profit for it?!
 

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I’m sure it will work out for you. Probably even find the white sheets m, crosses and gasoline all at one stop.

This is the one! I bet they have to special order those hats. Those pointy hats that they wear aren't just bed sheets fashioned into a hat. Unless the factory treats the bedsheets with the butt cheese of satan to make the hats stand up?

I can get humorous too brother if you wanna play that way, lol. And I know even if you have me on ignore that you read these what I say. You just dont respond and create yourself plausible deniablity, lol! And that's ok too. I can still respond to your other posts to give the young readers a contrasting view.

You are just getting scared to talk to me because you know I can see right thru your deceitful postings.
 

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How am I forcing others to have my view?
Your support of the lgtb programme that is intended to prohibited views that are opposed to lgtb, is forcing your views on others.
your own interpretation that genesis teaches marriage is between a man and woman. I d
Genesis 2:24.That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh.
Seems very clear to me.

As for how I understand the bible I read it and pay attention to how it is written. Some passages are poetic others are prose, other historical.
Genesis is written as historical prose.
 

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Your support of the lgtb programme that is intended to prohibited views that are opposed to lgtb, is forcing your views on others.

Genesis 2:24.That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh.
Seems very clear to me.

As for how I understand the bible I read it and pay attention to how it is written. Some passages are poetic others are prose, other historical.
Genesis is written as historical prose.
Actually Genesis is not written as historical prose according to biblical scholarship. The first 11 chapters are written as myth.

so…… me sharing my own opinion is not prohibiting anyone from sharing theirs…….
 

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Actually Genesis is not written as historical prose according to biblical scholarship. The first 11 chapters are written as myth.

so…… me sharing my own opinion is not prohibiting anyone from sharing theirs…….
Depends on the scholars. If one believes what Timoth says about All scripture is God breathed then it is not myth.

No your sharing your views is not prohibiting anyone, but I said your support and you do support legal action that prohibits " abuse or even counselling for lgtb "
 
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Depends on the scholars. If one believes what Timoth says about All scripture is God breathed then it is not myth.

No your sharing your views is not prohibiting anyone, but I said your support and you do support legal action that prohibits " abuse or even counselling for lgtb "
Depends on the scholars. If one believes what Timoth says about All scripture is God breathed then it is not myth.

No your sharing your views is not prohibiting anyone, but I said your support and you do support legal action that prohibits " abuse or even counselling for lgtb "
The genre being myth does not undermine anything about scripture being god breathed. Does scripture being god breathed undermine symbolism, metaphors and parables?

Yes you are correct I do support legal action that prohibits abuse against those in the LGBT community. What laws prohibits counseling? When have I said I don’t support counseling for anyone including the LGBT? I mean there are counselors who even specialize in therapy and psychiatric help for the LGBT.

But I am confused….. do you support abuse towards the LGBT? You may not be aware, but in the process of transitioning trans people tends to go through lots of psychological evaluations and have counselors throughout the process.

Now earlier you mentioned god breathed….. what do you think that means?

2 Timothy 3:16-17 ( bold added by me )
16 All scripture is inspired/ GOD BREATHED by God and is useful for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 so that the person of God may be proficient, equipped for every good work.

Most bibles translate it as either god breathed or as inspired.

The word in Greek is theopneustos. It’s a word seemingly created by Paul combining two other words for god and breathed.

This is a short discussion on it.

Here is a discussion on it by biblical scholars.

Here is another by a biblical scholar.


This is by Tim Mackie another biblical scholar.
Paul also talks about the Scripture’s nature and purpose. “All Scripture is divinely breathed,” or literally “god-Spirited” (2 Tim. 3:16), a reference to the Spirit’s role in guiding the biblical authors to write God’s word to his people. God speaks to his people through the Scriptures for practical reasons, as it is useful for teaching, challenging, correcting, and training in righteousness (2 Tim. 3:15-17). In other words, by reading the Scriptures, God’s people will be prepared to do good.

 

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With sex and gender the majority of people, myself included, automatically sees it through the eyes of cisnormativity since we are all heavily influenced by our binary concept of them. It’s especially common in American conservative Christianity where it’s clung to ignorantly and arrogantly. But that’s not the case with the whole world. In Thebes an ancient Egyptian writing mentions tai (male), sḫt ("sekhet") and hmt (female) as three three different genders. In the Philippines they commonly see at least three genders such as the ladyboy. Ancient Greece had Hermaphrodites, the Gala of Ancient Greece and numerous indigenous tribes had the two spirit.

If we truly are Christian, we shouldn't see gender through the eyes of "cisnormativity," which is a made-up term, or how the pagans viewed gender. We should understand through the Biblical lens. Biblically, there are only two genders, really sexes, and God made a clear distinction between them.

All of these nowadays are thought of as intersex and/or trans people. Even in the Bible Jesus mentions this third group of people, though it’s often translated merely as eunuch.

Eunuchs do not fit the modern concept of transgender. They were simply males who were castrated.

Again we know that intersex people exist because we have physical proof. They often have sexual organs that are in between typical organs. With some intersex people, and some people who are not intersex, we see people with chromosomes that are not typical. We see men and women with xXY and men with XXXY. Some women also have XXX or just simply X. Some men also have XXY and XXYY. So you will notice that genetically, we have far more than just XX and XY.

Intersex people exist, but it's the result of a genetic abnormality. That doesn't make them trans. Trans implies that you can physically change genders or fluctuate between them, which is impossible.

So now that we past some of the theological and scientific aspects of this we can look at the social aspects of why recognizing transgender people exist. One of the biggest concerns we see with trans people is that they often suffer from violence. The violent actions of others who bully and attack them for being different to self harm and even suicide. For a fact around 40% of trans people attempt suicide and about every 45 seconds somewhere in the world a trans teen or young adult kills themself successfully. The reason why they kill themselves is because of the cruelty they face at the hand of others. Cruelty that comes from people who are often religious , such as other Christians in America, who deny the science surrounding this issue.

I don't condone violence towards anyone, but did it ever occur to you that the reason why trans suicide is so high is not purely how they are treated but because of mental health issues apart from being bullied? The acceptance of trans people is greater than it's ever been, yet even after surgery, their suicide rate is still higher than the general population. That tells me that trying to be something they're not doesn't fix the root of the problem.
 

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With sex and gender the majority of people, myself included, automatically sees it through the eyes of cisnormativity since we are all heavily influenced by our binary concept of them. It’s especially common in American conservative Christianity where it’s clung to ignorantly and arrogantly. But that’s not the case with the whole world. In Thebes an ancient Egyptian writing mentions tai (male), sḫt ("sekhet") and hmt (female) as three three different genders. In the Philippines they commonly see at least three genders such as the ladyboy. Ancient Greece had Hermaphrodites, the Gala of Ancient Greece and numerous indigenous tribes had the two spirit. All of these nowadays are thought of as intersex and/or trans people. Even in the Bible Jesus mentions this third group of people, though it’s often translated merely as eunuch.

Matthew 19:12NRSVue
12 For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let anyone accept this who can.”

Many of us understand about castration of a man making them a typical eunuch, but that can’t apply to those born since birth. That means at birth some were born with genitalia that was not normal. It was not the anatomy of antypical boy or of a typical girl. Some scholars even think this may refer to some who as they grew up acted ways not conforming to gender norms. So we can tell at the very least those born with different genitalia were intersex and as its broadest use possibly transgendered. This is not strange for ancient Jews since well before Christ was even born by several hundred years the Mishnah mentions the tumtum sex which meant hidden. Ancient Jewish people actually six sexes mentioned in their literature. Besides them and male and female there were androgynos, ay’lonit and saris. So Jesus would be well aware of the two opposite sides of the humanity and everything in between.

Again we know that intersex people exist because we have physical proof. They often have sexual organs that are in between typical organs. With some intersex people, and some people who are not intersex, we see people with chromosomes that are not typical. We see men and women with xXY and men with XXXY. Some women also have XXX or just simply X. Some men also have XXY and XXYY. So you will notice that genetically, we have far more than just XX and XY. So if we have men and women with ambiguous or unusual genitalia and men and women with different types of chromosome pairing , including some women with XXY that can get pregnant and men with XXY than can get women pregnant it’s not much of a leap to consider that perhaps some men feel more like women and some women feel more like men even if their outward appearance seems typical.

For a fact we see some scientific evidence for this. We see in this science daily article citations for genetic variation in transgendered people.
Gene variants provide insight into brain, body incongruence in transgender You can look up tons of studies on scientific research into gender.

So now that we past some of the theological and scientific aspects of this we can look at the social aspects of why recognizing transgender people exist. One of the biggest concerns we see with trans people is that they often suffer from violence. The violent actions of others who bully and attack them for being different to self harm and even suicide. For a fact around 40% of trans people attempt suicide and about every 45 seconds somewhere in the world a trans teen or young adult kills themself successfully. The reason why they kill themselves is because of the cruelty they face at the hand of others. Cruelty that comes from people who are often religious , such as other Christians in America, who deny the science surrounding this issue.

There are a lot of other things such as biblical studies into the various gendered variations of god in the Bible or masculine vs feminine gendered roots to the various names of god and so on. I think for these forums, what I’ve already posted is much more than the majority are aware of or willing to accept but as a Christian im simply glad to shed light on this abuse often directed towards my trans brothers and sisters in Christ. Plus I’m copy and pasting this to several other sites. So no time lost.

You can find numerous books by biblical scholars who affirm the validity of this subject.

THE ACTUAL CONFUSION (and that is exactly what it is) can be stated in way fewer words:

The recent gender issues, and those noted in history, are from God--as a visual embodiment of potential error.
According to God gender represents the relationship between God and willing humanity, as a bride and a Groom. With God portrayed by men, and humanity portrayed by women. Yes--it is quite a riddle, but those who have ears to hear will hear.​
The exceptions--from God showing a mix of gender, show men as if women (meaning God as if not God), and women as if God (meaning humanity as if God)--neither of which is Christ, for He was a man.​
Such manifestations of irregularity then, show: a god who is no god (trans male), and a man who is no God (trans female)...as godlessness made manifest--by God.​
Does humanity have the "right" to chose to be godless? YES, WE DO. Is it advisable? Not according to the relationship models presented by God.​
 
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