A bit about gender and sex.

[Skovand]

I can also tell that yall did not the read the OP. Yall skimmed at best and it shows. But that’s typical of people like you. With that said. I’ll respond to only some of the posts this weekend. Then at the end I’ll edit much of it into the op.

 

[MA2444]

Oh not I want Christians to be more loving…. How terrible of me….

That's a good one bro! I got one too, lol.

Lalala I am a good Christian and want to learn to Love everybody so I'm learning how to be gay to affirm I love to these weirdos! Not a chance, lol.

 

[MA2444]

It’s funny when those who know the least about the Bible, know the least about science, demonstrate the least of Christ in their words and actions, try to act like they are the light to the world. Satan truly does deceive some into saying…. But I did this and this in your name only
To hear Jesus never knew them. By their fruits….

Some of yall are so scared of truth. No wonder you make so many bullets. So afraid.

Play the victim card! Wah! So everyone doesn't agree with you. So what? I aint asking to love me because I know you would want me to join your gay club.

Us Christians cant even hate evil anymore or we might not be Christians? Uh-huh, okaaay.

 

[MA2444]

I can also tell that yall did not the read the OP. Yall skimmed at best and it shows. But that’s typical of people like you. With that said. I’ll respond to only some of the posts this weekend. Then at the end I’ll edit much of it into the op.

You gonna make bulets in your reloading room and come back at us stubborn ones who dont want to be gay?

Are you going to stand firmly on the side of the gays?! It sounds like it. I hope you make the insinuation that I dont worship the same God as you! (That's likely true!). Come on, I'll shoot it out with you on the board. I could give you some scriptures too. Lot'sa bullets in scripture.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Genesis 1:27
So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

Genesis 5:2
He created them male and female, and blessed them and called them Mankind in the day they were created.


so we see. God created them different. They have different attributes. different functions and different abilities. many things seperate them as distinct types of induviduals

Genesis 7:2
You shall take with you seven each of every clean animal, a male and his female; two each of animals that are unclean, a male and his female;

We see it is not just in humans, But ion the animal kingdom. they too are male and female.


Exodus 21:7
“And if a man sells his daughter to be a female slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do.


We see here. A femalse slave is not to do as the male slaves are to do. again, they are different..

Mark 10:6
But from the beginning of the creation, God ‘made them male and female.’

Even int he NT we see the word says that a man and a woman are two different beings distinct from one another.

for anyone that says a man can be a woman or vise versa. This is on them, they can't claim that it is not in scripture that there are two different beings.

A male can be an effeminate, or feminine male. but he can never be a female. he can cut all his sex organs off. all this will do is cut his life short. cause extreme pain for the rest of his life. Cause him to not have the ability to procreate etc etc.

A female can be a masculine female. But she can never be a male. she can have her breasts cut off and have a peace taken out of her leg to make a fake male organ, but all they will do is again, live a life of pain, forced to take medecine their whole lives. they will be unable to have sexual relations. and will nto be able to pro-create.

There is no such thing as a cis male or sis female. They are male or female

a trans-male is a female. A trans female is a male.

this mental ilness has to stop. we need to treat the symptoms and the illness, not cave to their mental illness

 

[Windmill Charge]

Here is a good article that discusses some of the ways conservative Christians are carrying out violence towards trans people.

No it is not an article about violence towards lgtb.

I asked you about your source of authority, do you believe God or man has the final say in what is right or wrong.

Believe me I do not minimise the stress, fear and pain that the lgtb can undergo, but I also recognise that it is Not a natural state, that they need help, support, care and guidance.
Which by societies acceptance of a false state they are not getting.

 

[Skovand]

No it is not an article about violence towards lgtb.

I asked you about your source of authority, do you believe God or man has the final say in what is right or wrong.

Believe me I do not minimise the stress, fear and pain that the lgtb can undergo, but I also recognise that it is Not a natural state, that they need help, support, care and guidance.
Which by societies acceptance of a false state they are not getting.

You seem to not understand the article.

I’m not answering your stupid question authority. It’s been answered several times already. You’re just not good at understanding what is said if it does not conform to your little bubble of thoughts.

Yes, you are absolutely minimizing what they go through. Not only are you minimizing what they go through, it’s your type of thinking that is the cause of what they are going through and you still deny that it’s even violence.
And again….. when you say bible or god says this or that…. You mean your interpretation of what you think it says.

 

[MA2444]

Yes, you are absolutely minimizing what they go through. Not only are you minimizing what they go through, it’s your type of thinking that is the cause of what they are going through and you still deny that it’s even violence.

Oh, Wah. They taught us when we were young that if you play, you pay. No way around it. If they suffer violence, it's because they're all uppity and trying to force their way into society and force us to play their game. Many people are normal people so have a revulsion to those types of people. Ick! Get him away from me or I will hurt him. So what?

If you play, you pay.

 

[MA2444]

With sex and gender the majority of people, myself included, automatically sees it through the eyes of cisnormativity since we are all heavily influenced by our binary concept of them. It’s especially common in American conservative Christianity where it’s clung to ignorantly and arrogantly. But that’s not the case with the whole world. In Thebes an ancient Egyptian writing mentions tai (male), sḫt ("sekhet") and hmt (female) as three three different genders. In the Philippines they commonly see at least three genders such as the ladyboy. Ancient Greece had Hermaphrodites, the Gala of Ancient Greece and numerous indigenous tribes had the two spirit. All of these nowadays are thought of as intersex and/or trans people. Even in the Bible Jesus mentions this third group of people, though it’s often translated merely as eunuch.

Matthew 19:12NRSVue
12 For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let anyone accept this who can.”

Many of us understand about castration of a man making them a typical eunuch, but that can’t apply to those born since birth. That means at birth some were born with genitalia that was not normal. It was not the anatomy of antypical boy or of a typical girl. Some scholars even think this may refer to some who as they grew up acted ways not conforming to gender norms. So we can tell at the very least those born with different genitalia were intersex and as its broadest use possibly transgendered. This is not strange for ancient Jews since well before Christ was even born by several hundred years the Mishnah mentions the tumtum sex which meant hidden. Ancient Jewish people actually six sexes mentioned in their literature. Besides them and male and female there were androgynos, ay’lonit and saris. So Jesus would be well aware of the two opposite sides of the humanity and everything in between.

Again we know that intersex people exist because we have physical proof. They often have sexual organs that are in between typical organs. With some intersex people, and some people who are not intersex, we see people with chromosomes that are not typical. We see men and women with xXY and men with XXXY. Some women also have XXX or just simply X. Some men also have XXY and XXYY. So you will notice that genetically, we have far more than just XX and XY. So if we have men and women with ambiguous or unusual genitalia and men and women with different types of chromosome pairing , including some women with XXY that can get pregnant and men with XXY than can get women pregnant it’s not much of a leap to consider that perhaps some men feel more like women and some women feel more like men even if their outward appearance seems typical.

For a fact we see some scientific evidence for this. We see in this science daily article citations for genetic variation in transgendered people.
Gene variants provide insight into brain, body incongruence in transgender You can look up tons of studies on scientific research into gender.

So now that we past some of the theological and scientific aspects of this we can look at the social aspects of why recognizing transgender people exist. One of the biggest concerns we see with trans people is that they often suffer from violence. The violent actions of others who bully and attack them for being different to self harm and even suicide. For a fact around 40% of trans people attempt suicide and about every 45 seconds somewhere in the world a trans teen or young adult kills themself successfully. The reason why they kill themselves is because of the cruelty they face at the hand of others. Cruelty that comes from people who are often religious , such as other Christians in America, who deny the science surrounding this issue.

There are a lot of other things such as biblical studies into the various gendered variations of god in the Bible or masculine vs feminine gendered roots to the various names of god and so on. I think for these forums, what I’ve already posted is much more than the majority are aware of or willing to accept but as a Christian im simply glad to shed light on this abuse often directed towards my trans brothers and sisters in Christ. Plus I’m copy and pasting this to several other sites. So no time lost.

You can find numerous books by biblical scholars who affirm the validity of this subject.

Validity of the subject? We live in a fallen world so they see a few sexual mutations and you are jumping on the bandwagon trying to say that this includes all gays. Now anyone can call them selves a woman because some guy thinks his penis is a mutation and he's really a woman?! Lol! That's a good one! Very funny. I needed a laugh this morning!

 

[Skovand]

Oh, Wah. They taught us when we were young that if you play, you pay. No way around it. If they suffer violence, it's because they're all uppity and trying to force their way into society and force us to play their game. Many people are normal people so have a revulsion to those types of people. Ick! Get him away from me or I will hurt him. So what?

If you play, you pay.

I did not expect you to reflect how Christ handles situations in which he disagrees with someone. I presumed what you wrote is actually the fruit you bear.

 

[amigo de christo]

yep . GOD dont make mistakes even if science tries to say HE DID .
She is right , she should have been loved and given good counsel to help get her through this .
BUT SHE WAS LIED TOO . the devil knows how to steal to kill and TO DESTROY . many do the work of the dark one .
Happy to see this young lady trying to help others .

 

[MA2444]

I did not expect you to reflect how Christ handles situations in which he disagrees with someone. I presumed what you wrote is actually the fruit you bear.

Ok let's talk about how Jesus handles those situations when he dont agree with them. Oh look! There's an example in scripture for us, praise the Lord!

John 2:13-17
13 And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.

14 And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:

15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;

16 And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.

17 And his disciples remembered that it was written, The zeal of thine house hath eaten me up..../KJV

So Jesus went to Jerusalem and in the temple he got into a disagreement with some people there about why are they here? You can't set up a store's annex in the temple of God! And they said but you see it and so have to love us for it and bless us!
And Jesus said ok gimme a minute I'll go make up a Blessing for you, I'll be baaack.

So I'm guessing that you disagree with Jesus how he handled that situation? I'm just trying to follow His example brother.

 

[amigo de christo]

Ok let's talk about how Jesus handles those situations when he dont agree with them. Oh look! There's an example in scripture for us, praise the Lord!

John 2:13-17
13 And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.

14 And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:

15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;

16 And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.

17 And his disciples remembered that it was written, The zeal of thine house hath eaten me up..../KJV

So Jesus went to Jerusalem and in the temple he got into a disagreement with some people there about why are they here? You can't set up a store's annex in the temple of God! And they said but you see it and so have to love us for it and bless us!
And Jesus said ok gimme a minute I'll go make up a Blessing for you, I'll be baaack.

So I'm guessing that you disagree with Jesus how he handled that situation? I'm just trying to follow His example brother.

the problem is todays version of what they think is of GOD , OF CHRIST and is love and loving .
So allow me to rewrite those passages according to the judge not correct not fake lovey do stuff .
And the judge not correct not intefaith celebration was at hand
and HE found in the church those that held rainbows , and korans , budda statues , whose love was for money
who honored certain sins .
And when he had made a POT OF COFFEE he then called the churches unto him and said
WE DO NOT JUDGE , WE ARE ALL SINNERS
and HE said to those who honored same sex , BRING IN YOUR RAINBOWS we are diverse
and To those who beleived in other religions , YE are fine , GOD is love
and is fine with all religoins . JUDGE not for the path to GOD is very broad and inclusive
and HE seen a man who did correct the sins and errors within christendom
and HE said , OUT WITH YOU , you hater , HOW dare you tell these people that they are in sin
HOW dare you even judge other religoins , for all religoins know and serve me .
GET THE PICTURE YET . MANY FOLLOW another jesus and since that jesus dont correct THE LEAVEN JUST GETS WORSE
and more sin gets accepted all in thename of what they beleive is LOVE , is of GOD and wins men to GOD . its all a lie .

 

[amigo de christo]

Ok let's talk about how Jesus handles those situations when he dont agree with them. Oh look! There's an example in scripture for us, praise the Lord!

John 2:13-17
13 And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.

14 And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:

15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;

16 And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.

17 And his disciples remembered that it was written, The zeal of thine house hath eaten me up..../KJV

So Jesus went to Jerusalem and in the temple he got into a disagreement with some people there about why are they here? You can't set up a store's annex in the temple of God! And they said but you see it and so have to love us for it and bless us!
And Jesus said ok gimme a minute I'll go make up a Blessing for you, I'll be baaack.

So I'm guessing that you disagree with Jesus how he handled that situation? I'm just trying to follow His example brother.

we can also bring many reminders of even the apostels to the churches and compare THAT to
what we hear today .
They corrected sin , exposed sin , warned that GOD would not be mocked
Today its , OH DONT JUDGE .
Do you ever get the feeling that satan is one slick deciever and HE knows how to twist scrips
to totally support himself and sin . HE DO . and sadly most seem to love and follow his version of what
he says is GOD and is love . THEY sure seem to hate THE VERSION of GOD , of CHRIST , of the apostels
in that bible that DIDexpose error sins and etc . DO you ever get the feeling
that it is possible for many to THINK they serving and a loving GOD when in truth , THEY NEVER EVEN KNEW GOD
and were just loving a lie of a seducer who PLEASES THE FLESH OF MAN .
THE KEY is . IS what we love , PLEASING TO GOD or was it just pleasing to man . MANY are in dire trouble friend .
But i remind us as did paul . MARVEL NOT
for satan himself can appear as an angel of light , SO IT is NO BIG THING that his own minstirs
can indeed appear as men of righteousness . THEY CAN BE RIGHT IN THE CHURCHES , EVEN LEADING THEM .
I say BIBLE TIME . but hey thats me .

 

[amigo de christo]

Ok let's talk about how Jesus handles those situations when he dont agree with them. Oh look! There's an example in scripture for us, praise the Lord!

John 2:13-17
13 And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.

14 And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:

15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;

16 And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.

17 And his disciples remembered that it was written, The zeal of thine house hath eaten me up..../KJV

So Jesus went to Jerusalem and in the temple he got into a disagreement with some people there about why are they here? You can't set up a store's annex in the temple of God! And they said but you see it and so have to love us for it and bless us!
And Jesus said ok gimme a minute I'll go make up a Blessing for you, I'll be baaack.

So I'm guessing that you disagree with Jesus how he handled that situation? I'm just trying to follow His example brother.

Though i do think ya know this , allow me some parting words .
DONT expect this judge not correct not generation to even see you as remotely even knowing GOD or CHRIST .
But rather as one who knows not love , not GOD and is a hater .
Woe unto you when men shall speak well of you , FOR SO DID THEY UNTO THE FALSE PROPHETS
Living for CHRIST is the greatest blessing , but dont expect men to love you . even those you love will hate you .

 

[amigo de christo]

Ok let's talk about how Jesus handles those situations when he dont agree with them. Oh look! There's an example in scripture for us, praise the Lord!

John 2:13-17
13 And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.

14 And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:

15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;

16 And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.

17 And his disciples remembered that it was written, The zeal of thine house hath eaten me up..../KJV

So Jesus went to Jerusalem and in the temple he got into a disagreement with some people there about why are they here? You can't set up a store's annex in the temple of God! And they said but you see it and so have to love us for it and bless us!
And Jesus said ok gimme a minute I'll go make up a Blessing for you, I'll be baaack.

So I'm guessing that you disagree with Jesus how he handled that situation? I'm just trying to follow His example brother.

Let us praise and thank the LORD my friend . the LORD still has sheep that do his will . though the majority
who claim His name know him not , there are still true sheep . We must , by grace continue
to do all for the sake of others , and may GOD be honored , HIS CHRIST be honored in all we do and say . no matter the cost to us .
And on the path we are on , my dear friend , ITS only gonna get harsher and harsher against
the true sheep who will not conform to the image of this other god who has come in his own name and plays as though HE BE GOD .
He gonna convince this world to come against the few who did not conform IN SHORT TIME my friend .
But its an honor to serve the LORD and even to die for HIM . AND some will hear , amen , but most are gonna reject .

 

[Skovand]

Ok let's talk about how Jesus handles those situations when he dont agree with them. Oh look! There's an example in scripture for us, praise the Lord!

John 2:13-17
13 And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.

14 And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:

15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;

16 And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.

17 And his disciples remembered that it was written, The zeal of thine house hath eaten me up..../KJV

So Jesus went to Jerusalem and in the temple he got into a disagreement with some people there about why are they here? You can't set up a store's annex in the temple of God! And they said but you see it and so have to love us for it and bless us!
And Jesus said ok gimme a minute I'll go make up a Blessing for you, I'll be baaack.

So I'm guessing that you disagree with Jesus how he handled that situation? I'm just trying to follow His example brother.

So you think that was simply because he disagreed with them? He drove people out of the temple with a whip? I’m guessing that means you like the cowboy image of popping people with a whip huh?

 

[MA2444]

we can also bring many reminders of even the apostels to the churches and compare THAT to
what we hear today .
They corrected sin , exposed sin , warned that GOD would not be mocked
Today its , OH DONT JUDGE .
Do you ever get the feeling that satan is one slick deciever and HE knows how to twist scrips
to totally support himself and sin . HE DO . and sadly most seem to love and follow his version of what
he says is GOD and is love . THEY sure seem to hate THE VERSION of GOD , of CHRIST , of the apostels
in that bible that DIDexpose error sins and etc . DO you ever get the feeling
that it is possible for many to THINK they serving and a loving GOD when in truth , THEY NEVER EVEN KNEW GOD
and were just loving a lie of a seducer who PLEASES THE FLESH OF MAN .
THE KEY is . IS what we love , PLEASING TO GOD or was it just pleasing to man . MANY are in dire trouble friend .
But i remind us as did paul . MARVEL NOT
for satan himself can appear as an angel of light , SO IT is NO BIG THING that his own minstirs
can indeed appear as men of righteousness . THEY CAN BE RIGHT IN THE CHURCHES , EVEN LEADING THEM .
I say BIBLE TIME . but hey thats me .

You're right, Brother! That's exactly what they do.

And that was exactly what Jesus did too!

It looks like their support the gays movement is not doing so well today, lol.

 

[Skovand]

You're right, Brother! That's exactly what they do.

And that was exactly what Jesus did too!

It looks like their support the gays movement is not doing so well today, lol.

What does that even mean…. What’s not going well today? Flesh that out. What are you thinking exactly? How did you work your brain around to that thought?

 

[MA2444]

So you think that was simply because he disagreed with them? He drove people out of the temple with a whip? I’m guessing that means you like the cowboy image of popping people with a whip huh?

You mean a full fledged bull whip like in the westerns? Do you think I should get one? I never thought of that before, but it's worth considering I guess. I could keep them at a distance with it, lol!

Man you gotta admit some of those bull whip scenes in westerns do look cool! Good idea brother! Maybe I'll just price them and see how much they are. Geez they might be 4 or 500 bucks, that would price me out.