“We Will Not Have This Man to Reign Over Us”, The Root of Rebellion

[bdavidc]

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In Luke 19:14, Jesus tells a sobering truth through a parable: “But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.” This is not just a historical snapshot of Israel’s rejection of their Messiah, it’s a reflection of the heart condition of every person who refuses Christ’s lordship. It is spiritual rebellion.

False teachers don’t twist the gospel because they’re simply confused or misinformed. At the core, many of them are driven by a deep resistance to the authority of Jesus Christ. They don’t want a Savior who commands repentance and surrender, they want a god made in their own image, who demands nothing and blesses everything. So they distort the gospel, stripping it of its power and truth, to justify a life where Jesus doesn’t reign over them.

This rejection isn’t just from the world outside the church. Jesus gave this parable to warn everyone, including those who claim to follow Him. Some may profess faith, but live as though He’s not King. They take what He gives, time, truth, resources, opportunity, and squander it on themselves. They bury His gifts in the ground, assuming He won’t really hold them accountable.

But Jesus is coming back. The parable of the ten minas makes it clear: He expects His followers to stay loyal to Him and make good use of what He’s given them until He returns. The ones who invest in the Kingdom will be rewarded. The ones who ignore His commands and waste their lives will face loss. And those who outright reject His rule will face judgment. He ends the parable with a chilling statement in Luke 19:27: “But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.”

Like false teachers who twist the Bible to fit their own desires, they don’t really want to follow Jesus’ teachings. They only want His blessings while living however they please. They think that twisting the Scriptures will somehow change the outcome on judgment day or make them feel better while doing whatever they want here on earth. Worse yet, they lead others down the same path of deception. But in the end, they will face a terrible wrath from the very King they refused to obey.

The issue has always been lordship. The world wants a Jesus who saves, but not one who rules. But the real Jesus is both Savior and Lord. You can’t separate the two. The question isn’t just whether you believe in Him, it’s whether you bow to Him. Will you joyfully submit to the King, or join the crowd that says, “We will not have this man to reign over us”?

Your answer has eternal consequences.

 

[Jay Ross]

“We Will Not Have This Man to Reign Over Us”, The Root of Rebellion​

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In Luke 19:14, Jesus tells a sobering truth through a parable: “But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.” This is not just a historical snapshot of Israel’s rejection of their Messiah, it’s a reflection of the heart condition of every person who refuses Christ’s lordship. It is spiritual rebellion.

False teachers don’t twist the gospel because they’re simply confused or misinformed. At the core, many of them are driven by a deep resistance to the authority of Jesus Christ. They don’t want a Savior who commands repentance and surrender, they want a god made in their own image, who demands nothing and blesses everything. So they distort the gospel, stripping it of its power and truth, to justify a life where Jesus doesn’t reign over them.

This rejection isn’t just from the world outside the church. Jesus gave this parable to warn everyone, including those who claim to follow Him. Some may profess faith, but live as though He’s not King. They take what He gives, time, truth, resources, opportunity, and squander it on themselves. They bury His gifts in the ground, assuming He won’t really hold them accountable.

But Jesus is coming back. The parable of the ten minas makes it clear: He expects His followers to stay loyal to Him and make good use of what He’s given them until He returns. The ones who invest in the Kingdom will be rewarded. The ones who ignore His commands and waste their lives will face loss. And those who outright reject His rule will face judgment. He ends the parable with a chilling statement in Luke 19:27: “But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.”

Like false teachers who twist the Bible to fit their own desires, they don’t really want to follow Jesus’ teachings. They only want His blessings while living however they please. They think that twisting the Scriptures will somehow change the outcome on judgment day or make them feel better while doing whatever they want here on earth. Worse yet, they lead others down the same path of deception. But in the end, they will face a terrible wrath from the very King they refused to obey.

The issue has always been lordship. The world wants a Jesus who saves, but not one who rules. But the real Jesus is both Savior and Lord. You can’t separate the two. The question isn’t just whether you believe in Him, it’s whether you bow to Him. Will you joyfully submit to the King, or join the crowd that says, “We will not have this man to reign over us”?

Your answer has eternal consequences.

Your understanding of the Parable of the Minas is sadly wanting.

Jesus was telling us that when Satan is Judged and imprisoned for 1,000 years, that Israel will declare that they no longer want to a slave to Satan and no longer want to serve him. John in Rev 12 confirms that, as Jesus indicated in this parable that when Satan return, he sets out to kill off the Israelite nation because they had rejected him when he went away for a time.

Satan rewards his "Good and faithful servants" by giving them villages and cities to rule over to further oppress the people who live in those villages and cities. The love of money is evil, and it will be used to oppress people during the first 1,000 years of the seventh age.

Remember that Jesus is entitled to the harvest, whereas the man who goes away for a time is not and that entity is Satan.

Shalom

 

[bdavidc]

Your understanding of the Parable of the Minas is sadly wanting.

Jesus was telling us that when Satan is Judged and imprisoned for 1,000 years, that Israel will declare that they no longer want to a slave to Satan and no longer want to serve him. John in Rev 12 confirms that, as Jesus indicated in this parable that when Satan return, he sets out to kill off the Israelite nation because they had rejected him when he went away for a time.

Satan rewards his "Good and faithful servants" by giving them villages and cities to rule over to further oppress the people who live in those villages and cities. The love of money is evil, and it will be used to oppress people during the first 1,000 years of the seventh age.

Remember that Jesus is entitled to the harvest, whereas the man who goes away for a time is not and that entity is Satan.

Shalom

Wow, where do you come up with this stuff, it sure is not from the Bible. Your interpretation is not only off-base, it completely twists what Jesus actually said. The parable of the minas in Luke 19:11–27 is not about Satan, it’s about Jesus Himself. The passage clearly states that the nobleman who went away to receive a kingdom and return is Christ, not Satan. In verse 12, Jesus said, “A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.” That’s a direct picture of Jesus ascending into heaven and later returning in power and glory (see also Daniel 7:13–14).

Those who hated the nobleman and said, “We will not have this man to reign over us,” represent the rebellious world, especially those who rejected Christ during His first coming (John 1:11). When the nobleman returns, he rewards faithful servants and judges those who refused His reign. There is no biblical support for saying this nobleman is Satan. That turns the parable upside down and puts Satan in the place of Christ, which is dangerously backwards.

As for Revelation 12, it describes the spiritual war between Satan and Israel, yes, but it has nothing to do with Satan being the nobleman in Luke 19. The Bible says Satan is the enemy of Christ, the accuser of the brethren, and the deceiver of nations, not someone who receives a kingdom from God and rewards faithfulness. Christ is the one who returns to reign, judges the wicked, and establishes His kingdom in righteousness.

There is no part of Scripture that says Satan will reward faithful servants with authority over cities. That’s just plain false teaching. Scripture says Jesus will say to the faithful, “Well done, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities” (Luke 19:17). This is Christ’s reward for faithful service, not Satan’s oppression.

You need to stop reading ideas into the text that simply aren’t there. God’s Word doesn’t need to be reimagined, it needs to be believed as written.

 

[Jay Ross]

You need to stop reading ideas into the text that simply aren’t there. God’s Word doesn’t need to be reimagined, it needs to be believed as written.

Then you should apply your advice to your own written ponderings.

You understand that God will enter into a covenant of peace with Israel, after He begins gathering them to Himself, (Ezekiel 34:25-30), by judging the heavenly hosts, i.e. Satan and the five beasts of Daniel 7 and imprisoning them all in the Bottomless Pit for many days, i.e. 1,000 years, to await the time of their punishment. This time of judgement is recorded in Isaiah 24:21-22. This judgement of the heavenly hosts will occur at the time that the kings of the earth will gather at Armageddon in around 20 years' time.

 

[bdavidc]

Then you should apply your advice to your own written ponderings.

I do because I actually believe the truth of the Bible. That’s the reason I share what I do, and I won’t apologize for standing on what God has clearly said. I'm glad you like my post enough to follow what I write. As for your comment, if you're going to accuse me of hypocrisy, at least be specific. Otherwise, it just sounds like you're upset that the truth confronts your thinking. I’m not here for personal back-and-forths. I'm here to discuss Christianity, not play games with those who have no intention of actually discussing Scripture. If you have something that is actually biblical to bring to the table, that would be good.

 

[Jay Ross]

@bdavidc, I know of preterists who believe as you do, and they believe that they are knowledgeable of what the scriptures teaches, but they do twist God's scriptures to support their understandings.

The main point of the Parables of the Talents and the Minas is that when the heavenly hosts are judged in heaven in around 20 years' time, that Satan and the five beasts of Daniel 7 along with the judged kings of the earth, will be imprisoned for many days, namely for a season of 1,000 years after which the Bottomless pit will be unlocked for a little while period when Satan and the five beasts of Daniel 7:1-12 will be released, with the four beasts of Daniel 7:1-12 returning to the face of the earth as a single four facetted beast made up from the four winds of heaven along with the Little Horn, who is now also referred to as the False Prophet in the Book of Revelation.

Now in Daniel 7 after the five beasts are judged in Daniel 7:11-12 in around 20 years' time, coinciding with the judgement of the kings of the earth at Armageddon, the Son of Man is presented to the Ancient of Days and He is given dominion over the people of the earth such that they should worship Him and the Everlasting Kingdom which God will establish during the time of those kings as foretold in Daniel 2's Statue prophecy.

Now at this present time, Christ is residing in Heaven, and we have no information that Christ will return to the face of the earth until He comes to judge all the peoples of the earth in the Great White Throne Room at the end of the Seventh Age.

It is my contention that the unfolding historical evidence backs up this understanding of what is happening. Christ left the face of the earth around 2,000 years ago, and Satan will leave as he is gathered with the judged kings of the earth and the other judged Heavenly Hosts and will be removed from the face of the earth for a period of 1,000 years.

This is the basis as to why I believe that the entity that goes away in both parables is Satan and not Christ as you believe.

Shalom

 

[bdavidc]

I don’t base my beliefs on groups, systems, or personal interpretations, but on what the Bible actually says, plainly and in context. And I already understand the purpose of the Parables of the Talents and the Minas. They’re not about Satan being removed or judged, they're about personal responsibility, faithful stewardship, and Christ’s authority as King. The one who goes away in both parables is clearly the nobleman (Luke 19:12), a direct reference to Jesus Himself, who departs to receive a kingdom and then returns. That is exactly what He said in John 14:2–3, He is preparing a place and will come again. So no, the nobleman is not Satan.

You’re making symbolic connections the Bible simply doesn’t make, pulling beasts from Daniel 7, twisting timelines, and inserting your own interpretation instead of sticking to what Scripture says. Daniel 7 is about world empires and the final dominion of Christ, not about Satan going away in some parable. Revelation 20 shows Satan being bound after Christ returns, not before. Christ reigns during the Millennium, not Satan.

It’s clear from your explanation that you’re not submitting to the plain teaching of Scripture. You’re reading your ideas into the text, not drawing them out of it. I don’t need your version of “historical evidence” to confirm God’s Word. The Bible interprets itself, and the Holy Spirit teaches truth, not imagination. I stand on the Word of God, not on shifting theories.

 

[Jay Ross]

I don’t base my beliefs on groups, systems, or personal interpretations, but on what the Bible actually says, plainly and in context. And I already understand the purpose of the Parables of the Talents and the Minas. They’re not about Satan being removed or judged, they're about personal responsibility, faithful stewardship, and Christ’s authority as King. The one who goes away in both parables is clearly the nobleman (Luke 19:12), a direct reference to Jesus Himself, who departs to receive a kingdom and then returns. That is exactly what He said in John 14:2–3, He is preparing a place and will come again. So no, the nobleman is not Satan.

You’re making symbolic connections the Bible simply doesn’t make, pulling beasts from Daniel 7, twisting timelines, and inserting your own interpretation instead of sticking to what Scripture says. Daniel 7 is about world empires and the final dominion of Christ, not about Satan going away in some parable. Revelation 20 shows Satan being bound after Christ returns, not before. Christ reigns during the Millennium, not Satan.

It’s clear from your explanation that you’re not submitting to the plain teaching of Scripture. You’re reading your ideas into the text, not drawing them out of it. I don’t need your version of “historical evidence” to confirm God’s Word. The Bible interprets itself, and the Holy Spirit teaches truth, not imagination. I stand on the Word of God, not on shifting theories.

Well, it seems that you hold to a popular traditional understanding and cannot see what both parables plainly tell us. So be it. I can tell you once, tell you twice and after that It is best that I allow you to believe what you want to believe, so please do not try to convince me that you are defending the Word of God, when if fact you are only defending what you believe whether it is true or not.

In both parables the "wicked servant" tells his master that he is not entitled to the harvest, but the master tells him that he wants the harvest anyway.

Matthew 25:24-27: - 24 Finally, the servant who had received the one talent came and said, ‘Master, I knew that you are a hard man, reaping where you have not sown and gathering where you have not scattered seed. 25 So I was afraid and went out and hid your talent in the ground. See, you have what belongs to you.’​

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26 ‘You wicked, lazy servant!’ replied his master. ‘You knew that I reap where I have not sown and gather where I have not scattered seed. 27 Then you should have deposited my money with the bankers, and on my return, I would have received it back with interest.​

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Luke 19:20-23: - 20 “Then another came, saying, ‘Master, here is your mina, which I have kept put away in a handkerchief. 21 For I feared you, because you are an austere man. You collect what you did not deposit, and reap what you did not sow.’ 22 And he said to him, ‘Out of your own mouth I will judge you, you wicked servant. You knew that I was an austere man, collecting what I did not deposit and reaping what I did not sow. 23 Why then did you not put my money in the bank, that at my coming I might have collected it with interest?’​

The above two passages found in the respective parables show that the master who goes away wants the harvest which he is not entitled too. That is not true for Jesus, therefore the man who goes away is not Jesus but rather the man is Satan.

But be as it may be, you can believe what you want to believe, because you want to hear Satan's words of, "You good and faithful servants."

Oh well, you believe that you know best. So be it.