“The Law of the Spirit of Life”

[Johann]

That is a blatant lie. First, if a gentile joined himself to Israel, he was to observe the Sabbath. Have we not joined ourselves to Israel, and are referred to in fact as spiritual Israel?
As for the statement that Christians and even gentiles had nothing to do with the Sabbath, please explain..

Next please, @Brakelite....the UGLY side, the inner man, Self, will not die, and I find this principle also working in myself.

Funny thing about us "intellectuals"...we know God's word in a intellectual manner, no real "change" or a radical transformation where it really matters.

Keep the Sabbath, brother.
J.

 

[Johann]

KJV Nehemiah 9:13-14
13 Thou camest down also upon mount Sinai, and spakest with them from heaven, and gavest them right judgments, and true laws, good statutes and commandments:
14 And madest known unto them thy holy sabbath, and commandedst them precepts, statutes, and laws, by the hand of Moses thy servant:

After 400 odd years as slaves in Egypt, God needed them to "remember" that which had been forced away from them. And not for the first time. Good reminded them in Exodus 16 that the Sabbath was already a part of the law which He expected them to obey... Months before Sinai.

Exodus 31:12-18
And the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, "Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: "Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the LORD who sanctifies you. You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed."" And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

Mark 2:27
And He said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.

Genesis 2:2-4
And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made. This is the history of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

Exodus 20:8-11
"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.


Ezekiel 20:11-13
And I gave them My statutes and showed them My judgments, 'which, if a man does, he shall live by them.' Moreover I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between them and Me, that they might know that I am the LORD who sanctifies them. Yet the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness; they did not walk in My statutes; they despised My judgments, 'which, if a man does, he shall live by them'; and they greatly defiled My Sabbaths. Then I said I would pour out My fury on them in the wilderness, to consume them.

Deuteronomy 5:14-15
but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your ox, nor your donkey, nor any of your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates, that your male servant and your female servant may rest as well as you. And remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out from there by a mighty hand and by an outstretched arm; therefore the LORD your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day.


Ezekiel 20:16
because they despised My judgments and did not walk in My statutes, but profaned My Sabbaths; for their heart went after their idols.

Ezekiel 20:18-21
"But I said to their children in the wilderness, 'Do not walk in the statutes of your fathers, nor observe their judgments, nor defile yourselves with their idols. I am the LORD your God: Walk in My statutes, keep My judgments, and do them; hallow My Sabbaths, and they will be a sign between Me and you, that you may know that I am the LORD your God.' "Notwithstanding, the children rebelled against Me; they did not walk in My statutes, and were not careful to observe My judgments, 'which, if a man does, he shall live by them'; but they profaned My Sabbaths. Then I said I would pour out My fury on them and fulfill My anger against them in the wilderness.

Leviticus 23:3
'Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

Deuteronomy 5:12
"Observe the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, as the LORD your God commanded you.

Isaiah 58:13-14
"If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the LORD honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,
Then you shall delight yourself in the LORD;
And I will cause you to ride on the high hills of the earth,
And feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father.
The mouth of the LORD has spoken."


Ezekiel 20:24
because they had not executed My judgments, but had despised My statutes, profaned My Sabbaths, and their eyes were fixed on their fathers' idols.

One question.
Did Christ observed Sabbath? Or did He and His disciples WORK on the Sabbath?

 

[Johann]

It could be anyone, in fact, as you surrender to the authority of the one who altered the law, the Catholic Church, that institution becomes your idol.

And now @Brakelite is breaking many commandments, becoming very personal, not judging a righteous judgement.
I am not a member of the Catholic Church friend....but don't speak out against them either, there are genuine born from above, elect and precious, to be found in any denomination, bearing fruit unto holiness.

J.

 

[Johann]

KJV Ezekiel 20:12
12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them .

KJV Ezekiel 20:20
20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God.


That is a blatant lie. First, if a gentile joined himself to Israel, he was to observe the Sabbath. Have we not joined ourselves to Israel, and are referred to in fact as spiritual Israel?
As for the statement that Christians and even gentiles had nothing to do with the Sabbath, please explain...
KJV Acts 13:42-44
42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

You are getting desperate...

And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue,.... The time of worship there being over; or being offended at the apostle's discourse concerning Jesus: the words will bear to be rendered, "when they were gone out of the synagogue of the Jews"; and the sense be, when Paul and Barnabas were come out from thence, Paul having finished his discourse: the word "Jews", and the phrase, "out of the synagogue", are left out in Beza's ancient copy, and in the Alexandrian copy, and in the Vulgate Latin, and Syriac versions; and so may be interpreted either of the Jews, or of Paul and Barnabas; the Ethiopic version leaves out the whole clause: "the Gentiles besought that these words might be spoken unto them the next sabbath"; that is, the proselytes from among the Gentiles, who attended on the synagogue of the Jews, and who stayed behind when the Jews were gone out, being exceedingly delighted with the apostle's doctrine, most earnestly entreated that the same subject might be insisted upon the next sabbath: or, as Dr. Lightfoot observes, the words may be rendered, "they besought the Gentiles"; that is, the apostles, when they saw the Jews go out, being offended, addressed the Gentiles, and entreated them to come the next sabbath day, and patiently hear these doctrines: though in the above copies and versions there is no mention made of the Gentiles, any more than of the Jews; so that this may be understood either of the rulers of the synagogue, who first invited them to speak a word of exhortation to the people, or of the whole body, Jews and proselytes, who, when they were departing, entreated they might hear them again the next sabbath; about which "next sabbath", there is some difficulty; the words may be rendered, "between the sabbath", and so may regard what we call weekdays, or working days; and which the Jews call ימים שבנתיים, "the intermediate days", or the days between one sabbath and another (s); and on some one of these days it was desired that the apostles would give them another discourse on the same subject; and it may be particularly, that either Monday or Thursday, the second or fifth day of the week, might be pitched upon; since on these days the Jews met together in the synagogue, and read the law, according to the order of Ezra, that they might not be three days without the law (t); and these were the days on which they fasted, Luk_18:12. Others choose to render the words, "on the sabbath day after"; and so the Syriac version renders it, "on the other sabbath"; and the Ethiopic version, "the sabbath following"; and so the Vulgate Latin, with which ours, and others agree; and to this reading and sense, Act_13:44 greatly inclines; though they might meet together on one of the days between, when being so delighted with what they heard, and of which they so much talked, that the next sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear: but what pleases me best, and which, I think, has never been observed by any, is, that there was one sabbath in the year which was called שבת בנתים; which may be rendered by το μεταξυ σαββατον, "the sabbath between", or the intermediate sabbath; and this sabbath was on one of the ten days before the day of atonement; and was so called, because it was between the first of Tisri, which answers to part of our September, and was the beginning of the year, and the tenth of the same month, which was the day of atonement; and was a sabbath very much taken notice of by the Jews (u): and now this might be the sabbath following, and so all agrees; and a reason may be given for the different phrases in this verse, and Act_13:44 and if so, this also points out the time of the year that Paul and Barnabas were at Antioch in Pisidia, and when that remarkable period began, that the apostles turned from the Jews, and preached to the Gentiles.
(s) T. Hieros. Gittin, fol. 49. 1. & Bab. Ceritot, fol. 16. 1, 2. & 17. 1. (t) T. Hieros. Megilla, fol. 75. 1. & Bab. Bava Kama, fol. 32. 1. (u) Tzeror Hammor, fol. 85. 4. & 86. 1, 2.
Gill.

No more discussions between you are me friend, this topic on the Sabbath brings the worst out of man, the ugly side.

Shalom
J.

 

[Johann]

please explain...

ACTS—NOTE ON 13:38–39 freed. The Greek (dikaioō) is often translated
“justified” and means “to declare innocent, to justify.” Jews sought to deal
with their sin through living by the law of Moses. But the law cannot free a
person from sin, not only because all people fail to keep it but also because
it was never designed to bring about effective atonement for sins (Gal.
3:10–14; Heb. 10:1–14); only the one who believes in Christ and his saving
sacrifice is free from sin and acceptable to God.

ACTS—NOTE ON 13:42–52 Paul Turns to the Gentiles. Although the
response at the synagogue was favorable, with Paul being asked to preach
again, the Jews turned against him the next Sabbath when a large group of
Gentiles showed up. Paul responded by turning to the Gentiles, a pattern he
would continue in every city he visited: beginning with the Jews, then
turning to the Gentiles when opposition forced him from the synagogue.

ACTS—NOTE ON 13:43 converts. The Greek (prosēlytos) is sometimes
translated “proselyte.”

ACTS—NOTE ON 13:44 Since the population of Antioch was mainly Gentile,
almost the whole city indicates that the majority who showed up were
Gentiles.

ACTS—NOTE ON 13:46–47 Citing Isa. 49:6, Paul stated he was now turning
to the Gentiles. Paul and Barnabas can be seen as doing the work of the
Servant because of their connection to Jesus. It was necessary to begin
with the Jews since they were God’s chosen people and had priority in
salvation history (see note on Rom. 1:16). unworthy. Their stubborn
resistance showed Paul that it would not be worthwhile for him to spend
any more time trying to reason with them.

ACTS—NOTE ON 13:48 as many as were appointed to eternal life believed.
Throughout Acts, Luke affirms the sovereignty of God over all of life while
at the same time affirming the significance of human activity, as evidenced
by the remarkable human effort and sacrifice involved in proclaiming the
gospel. Thus Luke, without contradiction, maintains a dual emphasis on
divine election (“appointed”) and on human response (“believed”) (cf. notes
on 2:23; 3:13–16; 3:17; 4:27; 4:28). The emphasis here in 13:48 is on the
way in which divine sovereignty (appointment) results in the belief of the
Gentiles, demonstrating that their belief was due to God’s grace alone.

Why are you running hither and thither?

 

[Johann]

That is a blatant lie.

I think you need to think first, before you type.

 

[Johann]

That is a blatant lie.

Act 15:22 Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole church, to choose men from among them and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They sent Judas called Barsabbas, and Silas, leading men among the brothers,
Act 15:23 with the following letter: “The brothers, both the apostles and the elders, to the brothers who are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia, greetings.
Act 15:24 Since we have heard that some persons have gone out from us and troubled you with words, unsettling your minds, although we gave them no instructions,
Act 15:25 it has seemed good to us, having come to one accord, to choose men and send them to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
Act 15:26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Act 15:27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will tell you the same things by word of mouth.
Act 15:28 For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements:
Act 15:29 that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.”

If Sabbath was important, why no mention of this?

 

[Netchaplain]

No-one should think that they can separate the law from the gospel.

The law tells you what to do, but it can't give you the power to do it. Jesus tells you what to do, and he gives you the power to do it.

“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.

The Law was still in effect until Jesus' ascension, and therefore Christ was instructing them. Many of the Jews did not realize the cessation of the law until 30 years after Christ's ascension.

 

[Johann]

Act 15:22 Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole church, to choose men from among them and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They sent Judas called Barsabbas, and Silas, leading men among the brothers,
Act 15:23 with the following letter: “The brothers, both the apostles and the elders, to the brothers who are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia, greetings.
Act 15:24 Since we have heard that some persons have gone out from us and troubled you with words, unsettling your minds, although we gave them no instructions,
Act 15:25 it has seemed good to us, having come to one accord, to choose men and send them to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
Act 15:26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Act 15:27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will tell you the same things by word of mouth.
Act 15:28 For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements:
Act 15:29 that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.”

If Sabbath was important, why no mention of this?

Joh_7:17. If any one is willing to do his will [ἐάντιςθέλῃτὸθέλημααὐτοῦποιεῖν].—The indispensable condition for understanding the doctrine of Christ. We must be truly turned towards God, in order to recognize the divine, which proceeds from God, as divine. And more particularly, we must be earnestly bent upon the divine in practice, if we would know it in theory as doctrine.

Man’s moral θέλειν of the moral θέλημα of God is the condition of man’s intellectual γινώσκειν of the intelligible διδαχή of God.

Without the earnestness of doing there is no truth in our knowing; and like cannot know like without a like bent of soul. Plato, Lys.: “Ὅτι τὸ ὅμοιον τῷ ὁμοίῳ ἀνάγκη ἀεὶ φίλον εἶναι. Comp. Mat_10:40-42.

This condition of willingness to do, that is, of practical effort, has its root in the doing of the truth, or moral sincerity (Joh_3:21), and develops into the love of God (Joh_5:42). The point cannot be the doing of the will of God, as against sinners and beginners in knowledge; it is only the θέλειν (which, of course, is the beginning of the doing according to the best of one’s knowledge and conscience, in the form of trying; Romans 7)

Shalom
J.

 

[Netchaplain]

Wayne Barber explains what was abolished writing that "The Law was divided into the moral law and the ceremonial law. He didn’t abolish the moral law. That has always been here and is fulfilled when we obey the Lord Jesus Christ (eg, Mt 5:18, 19-see notes Mt 5:18; 5:19).

Christian living goes far beyond just the Decalogue, to all that Christ commands and His apostles teach.

R Kent Hughes - How did he do this, especially since he said in his Sermon on the Mount, “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them” (Mt 5:17+)? Christ fulfilled the moral law, keeping all its requirements, but he abolished the Jewish ceremonial law.

"one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled" (Luk 21:32). When Christ fulfilled the Law it passed away!

 

[Johann]

Christian living goes far beyond just the Decalogue, to all that Christ commands and His apostles teach.

"one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled" (Luk 21:32). When Christ fulfilled the Law it passed away!

Nope, we are not lawless. Paul did not preach antinomianism, all the Imperatives are rooted in the Ten Words, the nomos/entole/Aseres Hadevarim .

Read again.

R Kent Hughes - How did he do this, especially since he said in his Sermon on the Mount, “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them” (Mt 5:17+)?

Christ fulfilled the moral law, [Ten Words] keeping all its requirements, but he abolished the Jewish ceremonial law.

Christian living is obeying the Aseres Hadevarim, cheerfully, in love, not under compulsion and in no way is it severed or done away with in Christ, in fact, the law is indissolubly echad in Yeshua HaMassiach
And there is another problem I have noticed, most here think the ekklesia have replaced YisraEl, the Church have not.

And @Kermos have this viewpoint that we are unable to yield ANY obedience to the spiritual, holy law, which I don't agree with.

Shalom

J.

 

[Johann]

Christian living goes far beyond just the Decalogue,

I'm sorry, I don't agree with this, without the Imperatives and Indicatives we are the captain of own nephesh, a reading through the Psalms will, or should convince you that Christian living is the obeying of the Imperatives.

J.

 

[marks]

I'm sorry, I don't agree with this, without the Imperatives and Indicatives we are the captain of own nephesh, a reading through the Psalms will, or should convince you that Christian living is the obeying of the Imperatives.

No sir . . . the Holy Spirit should occupy that place you give to the Law.

Let the Bible train you in truth and error, and let the Holy Spirit lead your life today.

It's true . . . the Law of Love goes way beyond the 10 commandments. You can keep the commandments, and yet not Love. If you Love, you do all that is needed, and more.

Much love!

 

[Brakelite]

And now @Brakelite is breaking many commandments, becoming very personal, not judging a righteous judgement.
I am not a member of the Catholic Church friend....but don't speak out against them either, there are genuine born from above, elect and precious, to be found in any denomination, bearing fruit unto holiness.

J.

I do not know who you were quoting, but he was lying, in that he said the Christian church had nothing to do with the Sabbath. There is historical record showing churches observing the Sabbath hundreds of years after Christ. Even the council of Laodicea, I think in the 6th century?, condemned Sabbath keeping and reinforced the observance of Sunday... Showing the Sabbath keeping Christians were still proving to be a thorn in the side of the established nominal church of Rome. Therefore I stand by my former statement.
However, I also reject the idea I was getting personal. I believe I am speaking truth when I say that submission to the authority behind any spiritual teaching, if not God, is a form of idolatry. From my understanding, Sunday as a sacred day of rest and convocation is a human tradition, not a biblical one.
I apologize that the "you" I mentioned could be taken as a personal slight against you Johann, I was intending it as a generality to all Christians anywhere. I think authority/source in the Sabbath/Sunday debate to be a solid principle.
I also reject your erroneous albeit flattering descriptive of me being an intellectual. I shall allow that for you, but such does not belong to me at all.

 

[Brakelite]

Christian living goes far beyond just the Decalogue, to all that Christ commands and His apostles teach.

"one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled" (Luk 21:32). When Christ fulfilled the Law it passed away!

Can you give another example on the English language... Or Greek... Whereby,a law met/obeyed/fulfilled means passes away? For example, can i convince the police officer that because I obeyed the speeding laws yesterday, they don't apply to me today?

 

[Johann]

No sir . . . the Holy Spirit should occupy that place you give to the Law.

Let the Bible train you in truth and error, and let the Holy Spirit lead your life today.

It's true . . . the Law of Love goes way beyond the 10 commandments. You can keep the commandments, and yet not Love. If you Love, you do all that is needed, and more.

Much love!

Marks, by now you should know me, we obey the law of Christ, through the enablement of the Holy Spirit, in no way, shape, or form, do I suggest to to keep/carry the nomos/entole in a legalistic manner.

Jos_22:5 But take diligent heed to do the commandment and the law, which Moses the servant of the LORD charged you, to love the LORD your God, and to walk in all his ways, and to keep his commandments, and to cleave unto him, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul.

Rom_13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.


Echoes of Jesus’ Sermon on the Mount in James
View this chart online at Echoes of Jesus' Sermon on the Mount in James

James Teaching Matthew
1:2 joy amid trials 5:10–12
1:4 exhortation to be perfect 5:48
1:5 asking God for good things 7:7–11
1:17 God the giver of good 7:11
1:20 against anger 5:22
1:22 hearers and doers of the word 7:24–27
2:5 poor inherit the kingdom 5:3, 5
2:10 keeping the whole law 5:19
2:13 merciful receive mercy 5:7
3:12 know them by their fruits 7:16
3:18 blessings of peacemakers 5:9
4:2–3 ask and you will receive 7:7–8
4:4 serving God vs. friendship with the world 6:24
4:9–10 consolation for mourners 5:4
4:11–12 against judging others 7:1–5
4:13–14 living for today 6:34
5:2–5 moth and rust spoiling earthly treasures 6:19
5:10 prophets as examples and patterns 5:12
5:12 against oaths 5:33–37

MATTHEW—NOTE ON 5:17 abolish the Law or the Prophets. The “Law” or
“Torah” refers to the first five books of the OT, while the “Prophets” includes
the rest of the OT, all of which was held to have been written by prophets (cf.
Matt. 13:35, which cites Ps. 78:2; on “Law [and the] Prophets,” cf. Matt. 7:12;
11:13; 22:40; Rom. 3:21). but to fulfill them.

Jesus “fulfills” all of the OT in
that it all points to him, not only in its specific predictions of a Messiah but
also in its sacrificial system, which looked forward to his great sacrifice of
himself, in many events in the history of Israel which foreshadowed his life as
God’s true Son, in the laws which only he perfectly obeyed, and in the Wisdom
Literature, which sets forth a behavioral pattern that his life exemplified (cf.
Matt. 2:15; 11:13; 12:3–6, 39–41, 42; also Luke 24:27).

Jesus’ gospel of the
kingdom does not replace the OT but rather fulfills it as Jesus’ life and
ministry, coupled with his interpretation, complete and clarify God’s intent and
meaning in the entire OT.

MATTHEW—NOTE ON 5:18 until heaven and earth pass away. Jesus confirms
the full authority of the OT as Scripture for all time (cf. 2 Tim. 3:15–16), even
down to the smallest components of the written text: the iota is the smallest
letter of the Greek alphabet (or the yod of the . alphabet) and the dot likely
refers to a tiny stroke or a part of a letter used to differentiate between Hebrew
letters. pass from the Law.

The OT remains an authoritative compendium of
divine testimony and teaching, within which some elements (such as sacrifices
and other ceremonial laws) predicted or foreshadowed events that would be
accomplished in Jesus’ ministry (see notes on Gal. 4:10; 5:1) and so are not
now models for Christian behavior. Until all is accomplished points to Jesus’
fulfillment of specific OT hopes, partly through his earthly life, death, and
resurrection, and then more fully after his second coming.


MATTHEW—NOTE ON 5:19 These commandments refers to all the commands
in the OT (although many will be applied differently once their purpose has
been “fulfilled” in Christ; v. 17). The rabbis recognized a distinction between
“light” commandments (such as tithing garden produce) and “weighty”
commandments (such as those concerning idolatry, murder, etc.). relaxes one
of the least.

Jesus demands a commitment to both the least and the greatest
commandments yet condemns those who confuse the two (cf. 23:23–24). The
entire OT is the expression of God’s will but is now to be taught according to
Jesus’ interpretation of its intent and meaning.

MATTHEW—NOTE ON 5:20 Jesus calls his disciples to a different kind and
quality of righteousness than that of the scribes and Pharisees. They took
pride in outward conformity to many extrabiblical regulations but still had
impure hearts (see 23:5, 23, 27–28). But kingdom righteousness works from
the inside out because it first produces changed hearts and new motivations
(Rom. 6:17; 2 Cor. 5:17; Gal. 5:22–23; Phil. 2:12; Heb. 8:10), so that the actual
conduct of Jesus’ followers does in fact “[exceed] the righteousness of the
scribes and Pharisees.”

...hence my reaction to..."the gospel/Christianity is MUCH MORE than the Decalogue..."

Shalom to you and family
J.

 

[Johann]

I do not know who you were quoting, but he was lying, in that he said the Christian church had nothing to do with the Sabbath. There is historical record showing churches observing the Sabbath hundreds of years after Christ. Even the council of Laodicea, I think in the 6th century?, condemned Sabbath keeping and reinforced the observance of Sunday... Showing the Sabbath keeping Christians were still proving to be a thorn in the side of the established nominal church of Rome. Therefore I stand by my former statement.
However, I also reject the idea I was getting personal. I believe I am speaking truth when I say that submission to the authority behind any spiritual teaching, if not God, is a form of idolatry. From my understanding, Sunday as a sacred day of rest and convocation is a human tradition, not a biblical one.
I apologize that the "you" I mentioned could be taken as a personal slight against you Johann, I was intending it as a generality to all Christians anywhere. I think authority/source in the Sabbath/Sunday debate to be a solid principle.
I also reject your erroneous albeit flattering descriptive of me being an intellectual. I shall allow that for you, but such does not belong to me at all.

No worries, there is always a misunderstanding on Social Media, had we been sitting together, Face to face, talking TO each other, showing reciprocal respect, things would have been different @Brakelite.

But be careful with..."this is a flat out lie..." since in a debate that sort of terminologies does/do not sit well.
J.

 

[Johann]

I do not know who you were quoting, but he was lying, in that he said the Christian church had nothing to do with the Sabbath. There is historical record showing churches observing the Sabbath hundreds of years after Christ. Even the council of Laodicea, I think in the 6th century?, condemned Sabbath keeping and reinforced the observance of Sunday... Showing the Sabbath keeping Christians were still proving to be a thorn in the side of the established nominal church of Rome. Therefore I stand by my former statement.
However, I also reject the idea I was getting personal. I believe I am speaking truth when I say that submission to the authority behind any spiritual teaching, if not God, is a form of idolatry. From my understanding, Sunday as a sacred day of rest and convocation is a human tradition, not a biblical one.
I apologize that the "you" I mentioned could be taken as a personal slight against you Johann, I was intending it as a generality to all Christians anywhere. I think authority/source in the Sabbath/Sunday debate to be a solid principle.
I also reject your erroneous albeit flattering descriptive of me being an intellectual. I shall allow that for you, but such does not belong to me at all.

One question.
Do you think the ekklesia have "replaced" Israel?

 

[Johann]

No sir . . . the Holy Spirit should occupy that place you give to the Law.

Let the Bible train you in truth and error, and let the Holy Spirit lead your life today.

It's true . . . the Law of Love goes way beyond the 10 commandments. You can keep the commandments, and yet not Love. If you Love, you do all that is needed, and more.

Much love!

Conversely, you may love, yet not obey.
J.

 

[Jim B]

Love is the fulfillment of the law. You're either a Christian -- in Christ -- and loving as He loved, or you're not.