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    LAW IS NEITHER OBEYED DISOBEYED NOR BROKEN / AN EXISTENTIAL ONTOLOGICAL DISPROOF OF LAW

    Okay, precisely, you've made it clear with the Russia example. What if, in Russia, when under indictment, one did, via expert witnesses, demonstrate to the trial magistrate, beyond any doubt, that law is neither obeyed disobeyed nor broken because language of law is not in fact determinative of...
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    LAW IS NEITHER OBEYED DISOBEYED NOR BROKEN / AN EXISTENTIAL ONTOLOGICAL DISPROOF OF LAW

    Nonsense; that is a cop out; God especially need make sense to we who are putatively in His image, especially regarding matters of salvation.
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    LAW IS NEITHER OBEYED DISOBEYED NOR BROKEN / AN EXISTENTIAL ONTOLOGICAL DISPROOF OF LAW

    Self-consistency is the simplest and most rudimentary test for determining whether or not a given construction makes logical sense or not, i.e., of whether or not a position is intelligible. The consideration is one of basic logic and is hardly intellectual, it is merely a matter of fundamental...
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    LAW IS NEITHER OBEYED DISOBEYED NOR BROKEN / AN EXISTENTIAL ONTOLOGICAL DISPROOF OF LAW

    What really blows my mind is that Christians gloss over the fact that their very Salvation is grounded upon a killing, and, while Jehovah employs His Son's killing as means to human salvation, He simultaneously self-inconsistently outlawed killing; thus, the entire contradictory scenario is...
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    LAW IS NEITHER OBEYED DISOBEYED NOR BROKEN / AN EXISTENTIAL ONTOLOGICAL DISPROOF OF LAW

    brakelite; One very significant reality which I submit for your consideration, is that a human being, per what existentialist thinkers of the twentieth century have discovered to be the Absolute, i.e., absolute human ontological freedom, has no "nature", for a our absolute freedom cannot...
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    LAW IS NEITHER OBEYED DISOBEYED NOR BROKEN / AN EXISTENTIAL ONTOLOGICAL DISPROOF OF LAW

    DNB; You inundate me with many questions which I will have to reflect upon, though, I can immediately say that although we are agreed that we all possess a sense of right conduct, there is, for sure, no one absolute, final, set of moral standards via which to conduct one's self. There is no...
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    LAW IS NEITHER OBEYED DISOBEYED NOR BROKEN / AN EXISTENTIAL ONTOLOGICAL DISPROOF OF LAW

    DPMartin; That is a confused mess of bogus tyrannical jurisprudential propagandistic nonsense. None of us were there in 1789 to consent to the language of the Constitution, and, to claim that we consent by default is to overthrow our absolute freedom to amend the Constitution, and/or to...
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    LAW IS NEITHER OBEYED DISOBEYED NOR BROKEN / AN EXISTENTIAL ONTOLOGICAL DISPROOF OF LAW

    mjrhealth; My Christian interlocutors on this site have repeatedly proclaimed that salvation via Christ and Christ's injunction to Love, will dissolve the problem of the failure of law as a means of controlling sinful human misconduct; I have proposed that our very own ontological structure is...
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    LAW IS NEITHER OBEYED DISOBEYED NOR BROKEN / AN EXISTENTIAL ONTOLOGICAL DISPROOF OF LAW

    Brakelite; "How far back do you need to go 'before law' to find a society devoid of violence?" No matter how far back we could go, we would not find humans who did not engage in violence. Hunting game is a predatory practice and entails such a high level of violence that the hunter himself can...
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    LAW IS NEITHER OBEYED DISOBEYED NOR BROKEN / AN EXISTENTIAL ONTOLOGICAL DISPROOF OF LAW

    I am actually thinking of J.P. Sartre's "Search for a Method", wherein he beautifully and correctly describes the movement of human history as dialectical; which is Karl Marx, as in Marx's dialectical materialism... Of course each of the extremes entail error; which error is putatively...
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    LAW IS NEITHER OBEYED DISOBEYED NOR BROKEN / AN EXISTENTIAL ONTOLOGICAL DISPROOF OF LAW

    Excellent example in the French revolution. In regard to traffic law; when I was growing up in California, if someone went 80 mph on the freeway, he went directly to jail; now 80 is the norm on CA freeways. I gave up the insanity of driving an auto on public roads many many decades ago, and...
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    LAW IS NEITHER OBEYED DISOBEYED NOR BROKEN / AN EXISTENTIAL ONTOLOGICAL DISPROOF OF LAW

    Bull. Look at the beautiful dialectical interaction which I have precipitated, and the interlocutors are getting increasingly glib and clearly exhibit higher educational backgrounds. Persist in the troll absurdity and I will place you on Ignore because you, at this instant, are trolling... You...
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    LAW IS NEITHER OBEYED DISOBEYED NOR BROKEN / AN EXISTENTIAL ONTOLOGICAL DISPROOF OF LAW

    Giuliano; Radically excellent input. Nonetheless, within the first few sentences of my post entitled "Law is Neither Obeyed Disobeyed Nor Broken", I point out that in America we have a mass murder daily, and, our government is helplessly paralyzed in regard thereto and, can essentially do...
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    LAW IS NEITHER OBEYED DISOBEYED NOR BROKEN / AN EXISTENTIAL ONTOLOGICAL DISPROOF OF LAW

    Like I said, predominantly peaceful. Compare this Australian inventory with America's; Britian's; both of which would of course be infinitely vast in comparison... Have you ever seen any early Chaplin movies, where there is a man dressed in a black cape, crouched in the corner of the room...
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    LAW IS NEITHER OBEYED DISOBEYED NOR BROKEN / AN EXISTENTIAL ONTOLOGICAL DISPROOF OF LAW

    brakelite; As I have pointed out several times before in this forum, the American patriot Paul Revere in his "Common Sense", reports that immediately after the American Revolution, when there was no law, society transpired peacefully, because, commerce had to function for the sake of human...
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    LAW IS NEITHER OBEYED DISOBEYED NOR BROKEN / AN EXISTENTIAL ONTOLOGICAL DISPROOF OF LAW

    "That track was never intended to accomplish a world wide civil society. It was intended to constitute a body of believers living by faith and expressing through their works God's love for mankind." "Mankind" is a reference to all persons. Do you know Paul's hopes/intentions!? There are now...
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    LAW IS NEITHER OBEYED DISOBEYED NOR BROKEN / AN EXISTENTIAL ONTOLOGICAL DISPROOF OF LAW

    The dialectical movement of history does not allow any one innovation to be constituted purely as wished/intended. You have not, understandably, read this entire exchange between members; I have already declared that I am purposely adopting a radically extreme position, knowing that...
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    LAW IS NEITHER OBEYED DISOBEYED NOR BROKEN / AN EXISTENTIAL ONTOLOGICAL DISPROOF OF LAW

    I am not maintaining that we can attain civilization via love, for two thousand years that tack has not constituted a world-wide civil civilization. I am suggesting we, at the level of each and every single solitary person, be and live the stark outrage that we in fact individually are, for the...
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    LAW IS NEITHER OBEYED DISOBEYED NOR BROKEN / AN EXISTENTIAL ONTOLOGICAL DISPROOF OF LAW

    The entire series of billions of human beings who make up our world sociosphere is not going to, person per person, accept Christ; however, they will accept the possibility of learning to responsibly openly live the structure of their being, which being is an absolute ontological freedom. By...