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    There are 2 tribulation periods, the “first” is to the Jews

    What verses support the view that this took place for seven years? Are you saying the earthly ministry of Christ covered seven years? I find the opinion that the ministry of Christ on this earth was seven years just as confusing.
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    There are 2 tribulation periods, the “first” is to the Jews

    The one week belongs with 490 years. It's only set apart because all that is prophesied to be fulfilled with Messiah's coming was fulfilled in that one last week. Everything prophesied to come before this one week was fulfilled before the final one week of 490 years came. If the final one...
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    There are 2 tribulation periods, the “first” is to the Jews

    Yes, I inadvertently left out the final one week that brings the total to 490 years instead of 483 weeks of years. Sorry for the confusion.
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    Romans 11:25 - Partially blinded

    GB, Paul never says the fullness of Gentiles will remove Israel's partial blindness. He says that it is through the fullness of the Gentiles that "all Israel shall be saved." It is only by assuming "all Israel" saved are ethnic Jews that makes one believe Paul is saying the partial in...
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    Romans 11:25 - Partially blinded

    Yes, absolutely! There is partial blindness in every nation, tribe, kindred and tongue upon the earth. There is NO nation, nor do I believe there ever shall be, any single nation on this earth that shall be without exception all of them coming out of blindness by turning to the Light (Christ)...
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    Romans 11:25 - Partially blinded

    The verses you reference in context are of the "Israel of God" which is all Israel that shall be saved. Israel of God is complete when the fullness of Gentiles is grafted into the good olive tree of faith with Jews of faith. Romans 11:25-31 (KJV) For I would not, brethren, that ye should be...
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    Romans 11:25 - Partially blinded

    The blindness of ethnic Jews, called Israel of the flesh is removed the same way the blindness of all who remain in unbelief is. That is according to grace through faith when they hear the Gospel and through the power of the Spirit believe. Remember, with the exception of the remnant of Israel...
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    Romans 11:25 - Partially blinded

    You make a good point! The reason it's necessary to emphasize the "Israel of God" is because so many followers of Christ believe that ethnic Jews called Israel who have never and shall never belong to "Israel of God" shall have another opportunity to turn to Christ to be eternally saved during...
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    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    It's not only the tribulation saints of Rev 20:4 that are resurrected immortal & incorruptible at Christ's coming. It is ALL the dead in Christ, and in FACT ALL the dead. That would include even those who physically die in Christ from Rev 20:6 "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first...
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    There are 2 tribulation periods, the “first” is to the Jews

    Thank you for the link. What I posted was part of a pm with Gedge. I wish my memory was better. The thing I remember best is how impressed I was with this study. I had totally forgotten it was titled 'The Atonement Clock'. I thought I had stored it years ago, but I must have deleted it at...
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    There are 2 tribulation periods, the “first” is to the Jews

    Spiritual Israelite, I thought I had saved Gedge's complete study of Daniel's 70 weeks, but I'm sorry to say I can't find it. The little I posted here I had copied to my document folder, and sadly it seems to be all that I have left of his EXCELLENT and incredibly thorough study. sorry This...
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    There are 2 tribulation periods, the “first” is to the Jews

    I don't find it baffling at all. The 490 years were literal, so why not the final one week, separated from the whole, but still falling within the whole. You can get a lot of Gedge's study going to his profile page and look for his on-line discussions here: Why do Dispies count Daniels...
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    There are 2 tribulation periods, the “first” is to the Jews

    Because the final one week is within the 490 years. The following study comes from an in-depth article written before his death by Christian Gedge "BC 538 Cyrus decree, BC 520 Darius re-issued, BC 457 Artaxerxes One decree that was issued and re-issued: Ezra 6:14 (KJV) And the elders of the...
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    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    It appears to me Rich that it is yourself that has no clue as to what church is. Even after showing us how church is defined, you still don't understand! Just because a confused angry mob is assembled together does not negate the FACT the Church existed during the days of Moses when he led the...
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    There are 2 tribulation periods, the “first” is to the Jews

    Daniel 9:27 (KJV) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured...
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    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    This is the make-up of the church (small c) as it exists on earth. Within this small c church is also The Church (capital C) who are spiritually in the Kingdom of God through Christ's Spirit in us. Knowing there are mere 'professors' of Christ as well as 'possessors' of Christ together now is...
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    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    The prophecy that speaks of the Messiah to come WAS directed to the church in the wilderness that was led by Moses, and fulfilled through the first advent of Christ. Acts 7:37-38 (KJV) This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up...
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    Verifying The Time Prophecies By History.

    That may have been how ethnic Jews would think, but you're forgetting, yes, Christ's disciples were Jews, but more importantly they were believers, disciples of Christ. They had been taught by Christ for three years. Speaking to His disciples, who happen to be Jewish, Christ tells them what they...
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    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    Kind of reminds me of the old saying "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink"!
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    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    I agree many are deceived by Satan. How are those who are saved being deceived by Satan? Doesn't the fact that they are saved prove Satan cannot deceive them? 1 John 4:4-6 (KJV) Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in...