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(kriss;54768) Christ came not to change the laws of the old testament but to fulfill them yes many Jews are under a slumber, Jesus fulfilled or is the end product of what the law pointed to. The Jews are as deceived as non Jews about the things of God, His Son, His coming and why He had to come...

(tim_from_pa;54747) No it is not. It is in effect today. The Old Covenant is the Law of Moses at Sinai, not the Abrahamic promises for example of Israel becoming many nations, a great population, and many kings ruling. You are lumping all the others covenant with that one. Please study your...

(tim_from_pa;54744) However, the other covenants have to do with choosing of a people, and that is in effect at all times as Paul clearly stated. That's my point, this is part of the Old Covenant.

(tim_from_pa;54713) I'm not talking about the Old Covenant of the Law at Sanai. I'm talking about the Abrahamic and Davidic Covenants in the Old Testament which are very much in effect yet.As a matter of fact, this was Paul's argument in Romans regarding the covenants were made because of...

(Lunar;54423) Why did God have a "chosen people," if he was just going to extend salvation to everyone later anyways? What did the Jews do to deserve to be his "chosen people?" Why did only they receive the Abrahamic covenant and the law? Doesn't it seem strange that God would be so infatuated...

(tim_from_pa;54695) No, what you said is not correct. It depends on what you mean by chosen. There is chosen of race, and there is chosen of grace. Christians are the latter, and could also be the former as well.Israelites and Jews that do not believe are the former, and they are still chosen...

(Jake99;54658) The bible is filled with literal, symbolic, hypothetical. theoreticals and only one special man knows what it actually is trying to say. He will perform miracles and fulfill prophecies like it was childs play and he will do things that make him look crazy as he gets into position...

(Jake99;54643) The men who wrote the bible did the best they could with what they had to work with which was very little. Consider the odds on trying to write down a very long sermon after it was over and expecting to get the message accuratly. What sermon are you talking about? The New...

(Lunar;54576) I think I much preferred that.I don't understand. You are saying that God values the ignorant more than those who seek to reason and understand him? Also, what is the distinction between godly faith and human faith?That quote actually doesn't concern what we were discussing. That...

(Veronica Moser;54560) Of course not. Where are you going with this?Of course, but this scenario is only analogous to one possible reading of the relevant text, namely yours. I do not find your reading at all plausible, and I will explain why. Firstly, it must be noted that 1 Thessalonians 4:16...

(Veronica Moser;54541) These are good points whcih, unfortunately, remain unaddressed. So if I say I came to Church with John, it means that I am John? Or that I came into the house with my radio blaring, and someone told anther person that I came into my house with the loud noise of a radio...

(tim_from_pa;54501) OK. I'll admit my language was not precise enough. Yes, every nation is in God's plan and therefore ordained. In the sense of the United States, I was using ordained as the chosen race of God (in whom according to the bible other peoples would become a part of as well)...

(Lunar;54494) But again, there is no reason why Jesus had to be sacrificed in order for our sins to be forgiven. The penalty for human sin is death, but that doesn't mean that standard must be applied to God. God could simply will all sins to be forgiven.You're saying that it's "merciful" that...

(atrhick;54336) The Michael EnigmaQuestions frequently arise in Christian circles about the true identity of the biblical Michael, sometimes called "Michael the great Prince" or "Michael the archangel." Some claim that Michael is the highest of the heavenly angels, one of the covering cherubs...

(Lunar;54453) Wait, first you say that simple forgiveness is not the way to change someone's attitude. Then you say that the price for sin is death - as though that is supposed to change our attitude. How could death possibly change our attitude? You'd be dead. Death does not change one's...

(tim_from_pa;54433) I believe that the United States was God ordained, but I don't think much of the "shepherds"---- same problem as with ancient Israel.Most Americans are treated like mushrooms---- kept in the dark and fed bullsplat. I've been saying for a long time that the likes of us common...

(Lunar;54422) But that's missing the point. The price for sin didn't have to be death, and even if it were, that doesn't mean God couldn't have forgiven all sin without sacrificing his son. God is omnipotent; he can forgive all sin simply by saying so. Even if the price of sin for humans is...

(Jerusalem Junkie;54395) You make a good point....the US is far from perfect...but I will stay here.... I understand, as far as I am concern I set my loyalty and heart is on the establishment of the kingdom of God....I have no loyalty to any Country; wherever I am I try to be grateful and make...

(tim_from_pa;54384) I must say I also agree with you JJ. I think Israel, like the US was given a bad rap by the world. Yes, there are injustices and problems, but the rest of the world is the same way. As us Christians would mostly agree, it's man's nature and has nothing to do with the...

(Lunar;54378) That's another thing that confuses me. Why did God need to sacrifice himself/his son in in order to save us? Why couldn't he have just said "You are saved?" Because the wages for sin is death; someone had to pay that penalty...if not us, then someone who was who's life values more...