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The bible is true/does not fail, and you are not because you pretend, at will, faith is not saving faith. There was nothing written in that scripture to indicate it was not saving faith....that was all you twisting the word of God. Faith is faith, and if it was not this saving faith you...

You aren't getting it, you just admitted people fall away from the faith, so I need not do anything else....probelm solved.

Cool, then you agree people can abandon the faith. My work is done here.

You still have not proven what I asked and the fact you cannot is proof enough...you proved it for me. ;)

Yet you will not clarify your very unclear point and just leave it hanging? Or maybe got your point after all and there is nothing to clarify?

1 Timothy 4:1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Meaning anyone who is saved can fall away.

So, instead of proving what I asked you to prove, you continue to insist John was considering any one who left the church among those who were not of us, when that is nothing but a lie. Can we now get back to proving what I asked Instead of trying to hide behind lies in order to avouid the...

Salvation is exactly what they fell away from, or will you please prove otherwise?

Are you the savior of tbe world? I think not. The concept is really quite simple to many of us, but for you, I'll try to explain. See, Jesus knew what he had to do, so why resist and make it worse? If someone is threatening bodily harm to someone and their family out of pure meaness that is...

God hates selfishness. This was the point Christ made when he did the most unselfish of things of dying on the cross for others. God put us before his own son, and it just doesn't get much more unselfish than that. Yet even after all Christ/God did/does for us, I have to wonder how many...

The OP was trying to make a point, and some fell for it, hook, line, and sinker. Funny.

Fell away from what?

Of course you aren't, best you get out before you make yourself look any worse. If you cannot prove yiur6 claims, you need to stop wasting your time amd mine both.

Those in the verse that mentions the antichrists were never of them, but that does not mean everone who ever falls away was never of us. Context is your friend.

That is basically to say, the version where if you stop being saved, you continue to be saved. Seems to me, when reworded, the answer to that is pretty obvious.

Rrright, suuure they are. lol Sorry, couldn't resist.

I agree..

People, people, don't just stand there and let someone beat on you. Back in high school, some kid wanted to start a fight with me, he literally slapped one cheeck, and with the scripture in mind, I did nothing. Then he slapped the other, at which point, I blacked out and the next thing I knew...

What part of his word do I disregard? Quote please. Also, you said I made claims I could not back up, and when asked what claim, and for you to give me the quite of that claim, you replied: Where is the quote where I said such a thing? If you cannot show me the quote, you have again made a...

Of course it's about you if you are making insubstantial claims. Stop evading the questions. And where did I make such a claim? You wanted proof of my claims, now show me the claim...quote it.