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The Lost ten Tribes lost their heritage link because they turned against God. And when they did that they were cut off from their people, just as God said they would be. But again 2 Chron 11 proves that God has always maintained a faithful remnant. You totally treat the bible as if that...

I personally believe that it was God's plan to have 'troubling verses' in the bible. For no matter how much I study, I am always finding verses that prove that I do not know it all. That encourages me to dig deeper, learn more, study harder. It is when you think that you have everything...

Neither can we take two separate words and automatically assume that they are talking about the exact same event. My belief in the pretribulation rapture is not created entirely on the basis of two different words. I was just showing how the word gathering does not necessarily mean the...

Amen Shep. Whether you view the Rapture as a Post Tribulation Event or a pre-tribulation event, it is still considered our Blessed Hope. It is something that we should long for, because our Savior and King is coming. 1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me...

Just as you asked, lets stick to the facts. One of your questions was did Paul keep the law? The answer is no. How do we know this? Well I can prove this as FACT, by presenting two points. One, we know from James that to keep the law you must keep it perfectly, because to break a single...

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RJP, Where you ever in the Armed Forces? I am wondering because I served in the Navy and we were never taught to worship the flag. Respect the flag, Yes. Honor the flag, yes. But worship.. nope. Now if you believe that respecting and honoring is the same of worshiping, then do you...

Ok I see your point. Maybe teaching what the other side believes, is not really the right way of saying it. I was trying to explain exactly what I meant by using the example of Eternal Security. There are verses that seem to teach that you can lose your salvation, there seems to be verses that...

What I said was that I agreed that Jesus comes back at the end of the tribulation, I said that I agreed that there will be a gathering at the end of the tribulation. This is all that the scripture says. A gathering is not the same thing as a catching away. For example... 9And God said, Let...

Could you please explain how the OP's assertion of a pretribulation rapture is any different than your assertion of a Post Tribulation rapture? Both have scripture to support either position. Each has a different interpretation of the scriptures. Both claim that their interpretation is the...

Verteran you are making my head hurt.... I don't know how I can say it any differently. We both believe that Jesus returns at the end of the tribulation. There is a gathering from one end of Heaven to the other and there is a gathering from one end of the earth to the other. I have never...

You would think that they did know better. I guess that is why they were distressed, exactly because no one had been raptured, and they were told that the rapture happens first. Joshua David

You made the statement that the doctrine originated in the 1830's. I was refuting that claim, by giving you pre-1830's documented examples of a pre-tribulation belief. You are the one who brought up MacDonald. Then when I disproved that MacDonald taught a pretrib rapture, as you claimed, you...

Well I went to the site... I will look over it in detail but when the first point that is made on the site is ... 1. Rapture doctrine is widely believed today, but it did not exist before it “popped” into John Darby’s head in 1830 AD. If you believe in the Rapture, you probably wrongly assumed...

I once sat underneath a preacher who preached a message called, "Will you be sitting at the table when Jesus blesses the food. It was on the marriage supper of the Lamb. Powerful message." Joshua David

I never said that John Darby was not important. Just that it did not originate with him. Let me try to explain something. Just because the early church believed or didn't believe something does not really influence my acceptance or rejection of an idea. The majority of the church at one time...

Veteran, [quote]'m aware brother of what the Pre-trib doctrine teaches, and where it orginated (1830's Britain) Well brother, it seems that you are unaware of the fact that the Pre-trib doctrine did not in fact originate in the 1830's with John Darby. There are at least 2 sources that talk...

Guestman, No, I am not saying that at all. I know that there is 'one' truth. God's truth. You will notice here that I did not say "Guestman's truth" I realize that there is "one" way to interpret the bible. Listen, this is what I am saying, I believe it is the ultimate sense of Arrogance...

I personally believe that the Egyptians built the Pyramid with the help of their spirit guides ( fallen angels ). I believe that this type of 'advancement' in mathematics and engineering can been seen in other pagan cultures that were steeped in what I consider demon worship. The Great Pyramid...

Does it help to know that there is much that we agree on. Those of us that believe in a pretribulation rapture believe that Jesus' second coming is at the end of the Tribulation. We also believe that there is a gathering at the end of the tribulation. What we disagree on is that there is only...