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Pharmboy, Just because I believe in a pre-tribulation rapture, it doesn't make me shameful, nor does it make me a coward. No more than believing that you will go through the tribulation makes you masochistic. Wait, let me change that since I know that you are going to come on and say, I...

Terry, What scriptures led you to your conclusions? Joshua David

Terry, This is what I don't understand.... Some people who believe in a Post-Tribulational rapture believe that the church must go through the Tribulation in order to be purified and I am having trouble understanding why. I do not believe this, because I believe in a pretribulational...

Mungo, There is no 'unlikely' about it. Everyone sins. Everyone falls short of the glory of God. There are two types of true Christians, those that admit that they still sin and struggle with their sin nature, and those that have deceived themselves into thinking that they are more righteous...

Trekson, So if the church is purified, by going through the Tribulation, are the Christians who died before the tribulation less pure than the Christians who go through the tribulation? Joshua David

Mungo, Of course I am not 100% perfect and Holy as God is perfect and holy. There has been only one man who has ever lived who was perfect and who never sinned. And that man is Jesus Christ. We all struggle with our sin nature. I still struggle with my sin nature, just as Paul himself...

Thank you Terry for your reply. And my belief is very similar to yours. I believe that when we are saved, we are justified, as God forgives us our sins, then we are sealed with the Holy Spirit, who begins a work of Sanctification. This work will last until the Day of Redemption, the Rapture...

I am one who believes that I am sealed with the Holy Spirit. Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, I believe that the seal of the Holy Spirit...

Let me say from the very beginning, that I do not believe in a post-tribulational rapture of the church, nor a mid-tribulational rapture. I believe in a pre-tribulational rapture of the church. I have read many, many posts on this forum that state that the church needs to be purified during...

Help me out here... what does this have to do with who Satan really is? I was looking for proof that.... Please support your statement above with supporting facts that actually deal with the issue. In other words do you have supporting documentation that states or at least implies that...

I would say that these were two sets of instructions given within two different dispensations. The first set of instructions were given while they were under the dispensation of the Law. The second set of instructions were given under the Dispensation of Grace. During the dispensation of Law...

Still waiting for the proof.

You know, I get so sick and tired of people claiming that because I believe in the pre-tribulation rapture, that I will run out and fall down and worship the Antichrist, and that unless I embrace the belief that Jesus is a sick and perverted wife-beater, who relishes the thought of allowing his...

What temptation? Joshua David

That would be equating the creation with the creator, and assigning a divine attribute (existing outside of space and time) to a creation. Heaven was created. It has a beginning. I believe that the current Heaven that exists today will have an ending, but whether or not that you agree that...

Let's see, what is your common response??? would it go something like this.. The support is there. You just have to study to find it. There see you aren't the only one who can make statements like that. Joshua David

What the scripture says is that we will be with Jesus forever, it does not say that we will be in the clouds forever nor have I ever heard one person who believes in the rapture make this statement. Like I said it is a mischaracteration of our position. The other problem that you have is...

lioncubseal, Normally I do not come on here and start poking holes in other people's interpretation, but you did ask for feedback on your post. Let's take these one at a time. While I am sure that there are some people who believe in the rapture, who quotes Matt 24 in support of...

Just a quick question.. I agree with you that God exist outside of time. Do you believe that Heaven is timeless as well? Joshua David

But you see there is just one little catch to your story. The wilderness was not a test, it was a punishment. All the different tests, the trip there with God providing water and food for them, the bitter water that God made sweet, all these happened on the way to the promise land, so that...