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  1. J

    Born again - Before, or After, the Call?

    That is just one of the many reasons why the KJV is not my first source for biblical truth.
  2. J

    Born again - Before, or After, the Call?

    Who knows?
  3. J

    Born again - Before, or After, the Call?

    The thing that you need to determine is which "real testimonies of real people" are consistent with scripture.
  4. J

    Born again - Before, or After, the Call?

    Perhaps, but that is not really what is typically meant in the scriptures, particularly the NT, when it speaks of the need to repent. As James noted in James 2:19, even the demons believe. Repentance is almost always spoken of in relation to sin. Not only are we to believe that is wrong to...
  5. J

    Born again - Before, or After, the Call?

    You put that in quotations; quoted from what? How does one repent of unbelief? That doesn't even make any sense. We repent of our sins. Give your Faith in Christ to God??? What does that even mean? Faith is something you do. To have faith is to believe in God. Faith is belief in God. The...
  6. J

    Born again - Before, or After, the Call?

    It is required; it is not imposed. The very first instance of spiritual rebirth, as you call it, was recorded in Acts 2:38.
  7. J

    Born again - Before, or After, the Call?

    Incapable of studying up on it on your own?
  8. J

    Born again - Before, or After, the Call?

    That is completely up to you. God doesn't impose it upon you.
  9. J

    Born again - Before, or After, the Call?

    Your thoughts here are probably all wrapped up in the phrase there, "spiritual rebirth", whatever that is. Anyone does not know what spiritual rebirth is cannot even properly discuss it.
  10. J

    Born again - Before, or After, the Call?

    After.
  11. J

    Born again - Before, or After, the Call?

    You have the order wrong. Once you are repentant believer, then the Holy Spirit will regenerate you. You have to want that "new nature".
  12. J

    Did Jesus inherit sinful flesh nature?

    That is not true. The gift of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38) is not the empowering Holy Spirit to work signs, wonders and miracles; rather it is the indwelling Holy Spirit, the helper and comforter promised to all who have been saved. If he believes it, then it may be wrong, but it is not a lie...
  13. J

    Did Jesus inherit sinful flesh nature?

    Precisely for the same reason that Adam and Eve sinned!
  14. J

    Did Jesus inherit sinful flesh nature?

    Then what was the temptation? If there is no desire, then there can be no temptation.
  15. J

    Did Jesus inherit sinful flesh nature?

    Paul tells us specifically why death spread to everyone. It was "because everyone sinned". Adam was just the first. You didn't die spiritually because Adam sinned; you died spiritually because you sinned. It was you @TheHC, not Adam, who caused you to die spiritually. You were dead in your...
  16. J

    Did Jesus inherit sinful flesh nature?

    The death that came from Adam's disobedience was his own spiritual death. His physical death came from being ejected from the garden and no longer having access to the fruit of the tree of life. Everlasting life is not immortality. The fruit of the tree of life provided the preventative to...
  17. J

    Did Jesus inherit sinful flesh nature?

    So then, you do think that Satan was ignorant of the very thing that you think you know. Interesting. Another question. How you could be tempted in something that you have absolutely no interest?
  18. J

    Did Jesus inherit sinful flesh nature?

    If that were actually true, are you saying that Satan didn't know that? Was he really that stupid? I don't think so. We all are able to choose not to sin and most do that most of the time. It is just that no one except Jesus has ever done that perfectly. Lusts of the flesh is inherent in...
  19. J

    Did Jesus inherit sinful flesh nature?

    Why do so many fail to understand that Romans 5:12 says that the reason death spread to all men is because they all sinned? The only thing attributed to Adam is that he was the first; it was through him that sinned entered the world. It does not say that sinned spread to all men because Adam...