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Hmm. That seems to demonstrate my post on logic, that the first rule often is that people must like the conclusion. Many people will die for what they believe and they don't even know what they believe.

The old strait and narrow, you know. "Legalistic rigidity" is for people who want to write their own bibles.

So if you are correct then we have no prophets, evangelists, pastors nor teachers. Is that the position you mean to take?

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Yeah, ok. You say one thing, the bible says another. God must have made a mistake.

The bible names 18 apostles and alludes to 7 more. Ephesians 4:11-12 King James Version (KJV) 11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body...

I'm older'n dirt. And they are not gifts, they are manifestations. All confusion is dispelled when people actually read their bibles instead of quoting bulloney they heard from random preachers.

Please explain to me why students need to make up cutesy names for things they disagree with. I looked up "secessionist" at wikipedia and got a page of possible meanings, none of which seem to apply to this topic. So what exactly are you trying to say here?

I have never heard of this different type of logic, although I am aware of "oriental expressions", and some of those expressions are altogether wacko. The modern problem is not a different type of logic, it is that "logic" means a list of rules by which we judge something to be valid or...