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  1. Pilgrimer

    Was Jesus born in September or on December 25? — Using John the Baptist’s birth

    It's not Scripturally or historically feasible that Jesus was born during Tabernacles. First, Herod would never have scheduled a census during a festival. The Law required the Jewish people to return to their ancestral seats to be counted in any census. This would have prevented the Jews from...
  2. Pilgrimer

    Was Jesus born in September or on December 25? — Using John the Baptist’s birth

    P.S. The winter solstice occurs on December 22, not December 25. There is no "syncretism" of paganism and Christianity. And I would challenge you to provide actual historical evidence that suggests there has been. And by "actual historical evidence," I don't mean some website article or book or...
  3. Pilgrimer

    Was Jesus born in September or on December 25? — Using John the Baptist’s birth

    Most students, and especially those who are advocating against the historical date that Christians have celebrated Jesus' birth, don't actually verify the original sources of these arguments, and just accept those arguments out of hand. Even the sources you linked below your video actually use...
  4. Pilgrimer

    Was Jesus born in September or on December 25? — Using John the Baptist’s birth

    The only "history" we have of the 1st Century Roman Jewish world are the New Testament and the Christian and Jewish writings that you have dismissed. So where are you getting your "true and correct history" if not from these sources? In Christ, Pilgrimer
  5. Pilgrimer

    Was Jesus born in September or on December 25? — Using John the Baptist’s birth

    But here’s the problem with your position: You weren’t there. You didn’t live in Israel during the time of Jesus. You were not an eyewitness to how the Jews actually practiced the Law. You were not in control of the Temple and its services. You didn’t set up the priestly rotation based on when...
  6. Pilgrimer

    Was Jesus born in September or on December 25? — Using John the Baptist’s birth

    Those photos are part of a collection in the Library of Congress, so they are historical records, not simply some tourist's photos. I am Protestant Evangelical (Southern Baptist to be specific) so no, I am far from an apologist for the Roman Catholic Church whose doctrines I believe have some...
  7. Pilgrimer

    Was Jesus born in September or on December 25? — Using John the Baptist’s birth

    Very well, since you refuse to accept any evidence from these Jewish writings about 1st century Jewish law and practice, then you have to "toss aside" the notion that sheep would not be in the fields in December, because that theory is based on a misunderstanding of a passage from the Talmud. So...
  8. Pilgrimer

    Was Jesus born in September or on December 25? — Using John the Baptist’s birth

    The Talmudic writings are not about the life of Jesus. They are historical records that detail the way in which the Jewish people lived and observed the Old Covenant during New Testament times. That Jewish background is helpful to know in trying to understand the world in which Jesus lived, and...
  9. Pilgrimer

    Was Jesus born in September or on December 25? — Using John the Baptist’s birth

    What about shepherds? I would be happy to provide a lot of historical information, first and primarily from the Scriptures, but also from Talmudic records, as well as meteorological data, about both the wilderness flocks and the Temple flocks and the practices of shepherding during New...
  10. Pilgrimer

    Was Jesus born in September or on December 25? — Using John the Baptist’s birth

    Show me my error and if you are correct I am more than wiling to revise my calculations. My faith rests on the birth, life, death, and resurrection of Jesus, regardless of what dates in history those events occurred. So for me, it is not a matter of faith or even of doctrine what date Jesus was...
  11. Pilgrimer

    Was Jesus born in September or on December 25? — Using John the Baptist’s birth

    Thank you for the response. I read the article and did not see the author’s name, is why I asked. I am a New Testament historian and a Christian apologist and have studied the issue of dating the birth of Jesus, as well as his death and resurrection, for over 40 years. I hope that you might be...
  12. Pilgrimer

    Was Jesus born in September or on December 25? — Using John the Baptist’s birth

    Hello Walter and Debbie. Are you the authors of the article linked above about the priestly courses? In Christ, Pilgrimer
  13. Pilgrimer

    Where did the holiday Christmas come from?

    Mr. Bright, I believe we are intelligent enough to be able to separate fact from fiction. Contrary to the popular theories rampaging across the web, Santa Claus is no mythical person derived from pagan fables. Nor is he the jolly old elf adorned in a red suit circling the globe on Christmas Eve...
  14. Pilgrimer

    Where did the holiday Christmas come from?

    I also have a problem with anyone who studies history or archaeology in order to compromise or corrupt the truth. Which is why I don't just accept what people say about history or archaeology like some do, relying on some "elders" or other men to tell me about history. All the historical and...
  15. Pilgrimer

    Where did the holiday Christmas come from?

    But you have things backwards. Christmas and Easter are uniquely Christian holidays that date back in writing to the time of the Apostles. There were no pagan religions that celebrated anything on December 25, and that has been documented by historians and archaeologists the world over who have...
  16. Pilgrimer

    Where did the holiday Christmas come from?

    What is apparent, is that some people (I trust you are not one of them) will cling to their beliefs even in the face of evidence to the contrary. I understand that. Some people's doctrine, such as the Jehovah's Witnesses (where a lot of this anti-Christian argument is coming from- the anonymity...
  17. Pilgrimer

    Where did the holiday Christmas come from?

    I am a Christian apologist, so yes, I absolutely do defend Christianity and its scholarship and practice, especially in respect to how Christians have honored and celebrated the most important historical events in the world, the incarnation and the resurrection of Jesus. The difference between...
  18. Pilgrimer

    Where did the holiday Christmas come from?

    I don’t believe that’s true of all Christians, that they care more about what men say than what God’s Word says. I believe most of us genuinely do put God’s Word first. I certainly do. But does that mean we should not study history and archaeology and every other area of research to learn as...
  19. Pilgrimer

    Where did the holiday Christmas come from?

    Everything that follows those words are predicated on those words being an unassailable fact of history. So if that is true, it should be a simple matter of citing second century writings, Christian or otherwise, that cite instances of churches becoming apostate and adopting all this paganism...
  20. Pilgrimer

    Where did the holiday Christmas come from?

    "As the story goes, just as is also the case with Easter, the early church fathers being faced with many wanting to continue celebrating their old pagan holidays after beginning to believe in and follow Christ--because Christ had overcome the world, they took [pagan holidays] over and declared...