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  1. Candidus

    What is the Price Jesus Paid?

    Then, where in the Bible does it say "who" was "paid?" "Who" was holding us "ransom?" Where does Matthew 20:28 say that Jesus "paid" anything? If I win a free plane trip to Las Vegas from a radio station, and I don't like flying, then "the price paid" is getting on the plane for me. It comes...
  2. Candidus

    What is the Price Jesus Paid?

    But it's not 'alligators in the pond' in the Bible but sacrifice for reconciliation with God. In your story, if the 'son' was more skilled, he may have avoided getting bitten. Hypotheticals leave the door open too far and do not prove what the Bible says or does not say. The fact of an...
  3. Candidus

    What is the Price Jesus Paid?

    Figuratively... definitely emphasizes the cost. Atonement is not so much that God "sacrificed" to save us, but that Jesus was "The" Sacrifice. If we look at the two passages that speak to ransom and redeeming, to "buy back," we can see that the Church went through a period where a literal Ransom...
  4. Candidus

    What is the Price Jesus Paid?

    John 19:30 says nothing of payment. As a figure of speech, "He wondrously paid the price" is not the same as commercially paying for something, and many do not use it as if God was "paid off" or paying the devil a ransom. Many use suggestive metaphors of "cost" then further down the line apply...
  5. Candidus

    What is the Price Jesus Paid?

    A few points about your assumptions: Our sin is presented as a debt or deficit to God, yet there is no "sin debt" in Scripture as a "thing." Drawing from an assumption, you say that it was "to be paid to God." 1. Show me where Scripture declares that Atonement pays a "sin debt." 2. Show me...
  6. Candidus

    What is the Price Jesus Paid?

    Yet, you still failed to discover a single verse that asserts without any doubt that Jesus "paid" anything on the Cross, and with that, all the terms you present are with the assumption that a payment exists when it does not. Propitiation, reconciliation, justification, redemption, being...
  7. Candidus

    What is the Price Jesus Paid?

    So, you admit that you have no Scriptural justification for what you believe and teach about the Atonement of Christ. Admission of failure is a great first step!
  8. Candidus

    What is the Price Jesus Paid?

    Contradicting Scripture? Are you speaking of "sacrifice" in the Bible where it NEVER correlates or is stated to be a "payment?" I think that anyone that would impose such meaning on sacrifice when the Bible never does, is walking on thin ice. One should love what God says more than what they...
  9. Candidus

    What is the Price Jesus Paid?

    Our "imagination" is not how to properly exegete Scripture.
  10. Candidus

    What is the Price Jesus Paid?

    And without a singular verse to validate 'Payment,' interlinears translate it correctly as "acquire." Whether that is done by stealing, purchasing, accidentally finding, given to as a gift, traded or bartered for it, or by or any other possible way of "acquiring" something, is a matter of...
  11. Candidus

    What is the Price Jesus Paid?

    While I agree that one could look at it that way, if they assumed that a payment existed before they read it. There was a 'price' or a 'cost,' but no "payment'" is implied. Imagine how I could quote dozens of passages about Atonement that say NOTHING, or give any implications of payment, or by...
  12. Candidus

    What is the Price Jesus Paid?

    "It is Finished" has nothing to do with payment. Strange how it took 2000 years for people to suddenly "see" it! Horatius Bonar is in the Bible? His poem/hymn is now Scripture? I see that the tail is wagging the dog.
  13. Candidus

    What is the Price Jesus Paid?

    So, your 'answer' is not what Scripture says, but your opinion that my statement is 'silly.' I can see you have no love for truth and Scripture, so what's the point?
  14. Candidus

    What is the Price Jesus Paid?

    Whatever happened on the Cross was not a payment, or God would have made it clear. To add it and use the concept to arrive at other doctrines is fantasy, not theology or exegesis. It is sufficient to say that my view of the Atonement does not include payment and does not deny 'cost' or a...
  15. Candidus

    What is the Price Jesus Paid?

    Notice that you could not come up with paid/payment!
  16. Candidus

    What is the Price Jesus Paid?

    Perhaps one should start with Scripture and not their manmade theories to determine Scriptural things. Jesus didn't "pay" anything on the Cross, or Scripture would have used pay/paid to describe it. So, why are we trying to expound upon something the Bible never says?
  17. Candidus

    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    "I can sin and win! No matter what proof I give that I am not saved, I get into heaven!" Making spiritual failure the standard of salvation is not Biblical.
  18. Candidus

    What should be the Christian's Response to the Homosexual?

    And why did Christians treat Charles Manson differently? He never murdered anyone himself, just like Christians... It is not just a "sin," it's a "choice." If you are comfortable around sin and perversion that you see no difference, therein lies the problem.
  19. Candidus

    Anti Mask Is Nothing New

    Joe is hiding in a bunker, alone... wearing a mask. Photo's of him driving a convertible with the top down, out in the country, with a mask on... all alone! Who is he protecting? If you are living at all, you have to go get groceries (Joe doesn't grocery shop), you have to get things done...
  20. Candidus

    Anyone going to watch the Presidential debates?

    James Woods- "The moderator interrupts the President 75 times but his opponent only 15. Biden calls the President of the United States a “racist” and a “clown. And yet here is the headline of The Washington Post. And they wonder why they’re called #FakeNews." Bitter, chaotic, unprecedented: key...