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Luke 21:25-27 “There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26 People will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27 At that time...

The comparison is apt. Everything Jesus predicted would happen, happened. Even the signs and wonders. Bet you didn't know that.

Sounds like you're ready to run. I've bombarded you with inconvenient truths, and now you're experiencing cognitive dissonance. That's tough, but there was a flood in 70 AD, in Jerusalem, and you know it. Just accept it! Don't fight it anymore! The truth will set you free!!!

Got it! :Oh no:

I get it. I've blown your mind. When your mind heals, give it another thought. You'll see that it's not so crazy after all. It's actually simple facts. The temple was "heaven and earth". FACT!

Interesting idea. I don't agree that it could be clouds of angels, because I know it is symbolic language, similarly used throughout scripture, but I like your outside the box thinking.

Thanks. I really don't want to go searching for your old posts, so I appreciate your giving me a summary here.

Did I say I was a pre-tribber? If so, I apologize. I meant preterist. All these "pre" words. So similar.

Death has already been swallowed up in victory. I believe I will never experience death. Don't you believe the same?

Thanks for posting the translation, so I don't have to. The translation disproves your own point. The atmospheric region, the lower air, as opposed to the upper air, proves we're talking about the air at ground level, not up in the sky. 1 Thess 4:17 then we who are living, who are remaining...

You seem like a rather closed minded person. Has anybody ever told you that? I bet your wife has told you that. Be honest.

Um... no, 2 Peter 3:6 is talking about the flood waters that destroyed the world. He's not talking about the end of the age. That's kind of weird that you would bring that up. I think Daniel 9:26 is a better reference: The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the...

We are currently living in "the age to come" which is the age of life. The age during which Jesus and the disciples lived, when they spoke of these things, was the current age, the age of death. During that age, people went from life to death. Now, we go from life, to life.

"Them in the clouds" refers to those who have received their glory. It's symbolic language. They're not actually in the sky, in the clouds. I mean, really, would it have to be cloudy over the entire earth that day? That's weird. I believe we had a similar discussion in another thread. So...

Ah, but the flood did happen. It was a flood of Roman soldiers that overcame the city. You can't say it's nonsense, just because it doesn't align with your vision for the future. You have to have a better reason than that. And, besides, it is an established fact, that the temple was built to...

I think that still refers only to those who have risen from the dead, because he says they can no longer die. I get what you're saying, but there's no reason that can't refer to our current age, because those who have been resurrected from the dead are living in our current age, together with...

Ah, interesting. Yes, myself, I don't believe in a rapture at all. I don't see the evidence for it. The tribulation, on the other hand, has already passed, and that occurred from 66 AD to 70 AD. Exactly 3.5 years. It was the most terrible time in history. Glad we missed it. All the...

Hey man! Glad to see you mentioned this part about heaven and earth. It's my favourite part of pre-trib-ism. :blush: You know why? Cause it turns out, that "heaven and earth" have already passed away. Betcha didn't know that! And yes, I'm being serious. The heaven and earth in this...

So, this is interesting. My Bible doesn't say "end of the world". It says "end of the age". What translation are you using?

Pretribber here. Howdy! :kiaora: So, you think a pretribber should be able to prove a rapture, a seven year trib and a third coming? I don't understand your statement here. None of those things exist, so why should you expect me to show you those scriptures? Did other pre-tribbers tell you...